$875/year
according to >>>Zig Forums13470463 this is the fee you need to legally be able to sell 3-D printed guns. Is this true? Could you do this in any other nations like Australia/Britain/Canada?
3D-printing legally?
Liam Martinez
Adrian Jones
original thread ran June 10 to June 22, it's no longer up so here is archive
Nathaniel Allen
In USA you can make any gun you want as long as you can legally buy it from a gun store for example (and have a tax stamp if making NFA item like suppressor or SBR) and as long as you don't seek to profit from the production of the weapon, so don't sell them.
The FFL 07 SOT 2 is for full auto and NFA items without having to get tax stamps for each item and you are allowed to sell the things you make.
Luis Howard
Not in 'Merica. If you can buy it, you can build it. No questions asked. You don't need any kind of printing license. Not sure where you're getting that number from.
Jaxon Hernandez
Just buy an upper and print the lower. Its what all the cool kids are doing these days.
Alexander Allen
Oh and you can print mags and accessories now too. 3d mag designs got breddy gud lately.
Camden Ortiz
Why would that even be a question?
Fine, have a (You) for effective b8.
Christopher Lee
is there a good source for cad files for accessories like grips and sights and whatnot? dildo foregrips are acceptable
Jace Nelson
No you need a Federal Firearms License to be able to sell 3D printed firearms legally, but that does come with a free. I have no knowledge about other nations but I imagine it's no. Maybe Canada might be an exception. To print for yourself, no license is required. You can also sell a manufactured firearm, aka a P80 or an AR15 with a completed 80% lower, however that's skirting the law's gray area and if you do it more than once then you can actually get in trouble. This boomer fudd lore that you can't do that is simply incorrect unless there's a state statute about it in your own state's laws. But as a rule of thumb just don't, because you can still be charged and fighting in court (chances are you'd win) but it'd be way more effort and costly than it is worth. But if you manufactured a firearm (via 80%) and then a year or two later you want to trade it with a buddy or give it to your wife or pass it down to family you are in the legal right. I'm no lawyer though, speak to a firearm's lawyer that's an expert in both federal and your state's firearm lawyer so don't take what I'm saying as legal advice.
John Jenkins
Now try selling your homemade guns without an FFL and see how long it takes to get a visit from the partyvan.
Tyler White
Aside from the fee, what's the cost of actual 3d printing such as if you wanted to start from nothing?
Luis Young
You need a license to manufacture guns in Canada no matter how you make them and whether or not you plan to keep or sell them. Then penalty for making a firearm without a license is 10 years
Liam Williams
Right now it's $100-200k for a printer, but prices are dropping every year. The steel powder costs about $10-20 per pound. You probably also need to do some hand-finishing, but that's cheap. No idea how long it actually takes for one of these to print a complete set of parts, so I couldn't tell you if this is actually profitable.
Levi Lewis
If you intend on selling guns, why use 3d printing? It has the highest cost per unit. Why not use stamping, milling, or molding, as literally every successful gun manufacturer already does
'>>684601
literally medieval tier
depends on size obvs but it's not fast. we're talking six or more hours for something that could fit in a beer can.
Camden Russell
From a business perspective, you're an idiot if you use 3D printing methods in your business. From a civilian perspective though, 3D printing is a godsend. Governments have effectively banned stamping, milling, and molding in many countries by claiming it as a good necessary in taxable avenues, and all of those methods are expensive startup costs. 3D printers are dirt cheap, can be built from basically legos and a heating unit, and most importantly, it's extremely hard to justify a ban on what is largely a consumer product. There's no safety measures to be put in place or business to be taxed, so it's outside of anything but the most totalitarian of state's jurisdiction (and in such states, it's easily available on the black market for a price).
3D printed firearms are a tool to instill fear in the leaders of countries that ban firearms. It's not the act of creating them that is beneficial, but simply the act of them existing, no matter how much of a meme they are. One 3D printed pistol could effectively give a civilian access to a military armory by simply being effective enough to acquire better firearms.
Colton Parker
>Governments have effectively banned stamping, milling, and molding
your whole post is a quagmire of shit but this really stood out. even more than the idea that 3d printers can be "built out of legos". even more than that they are somehow intrinsically and foreverially free from taxes or regulation. even more than the blind "i am too stupid to operate most tools" justification for how 3d printing is literally revolutionary or counter-revolutionary. even more than the anime.
>Governments have effectively banned stamping, milling, and molding
you are a goddamn moron. holy shit. how do you think most goods are made? do you think hobbyists are getting BOOMBOOMCRASHED for having tools in their garage? jesus christ. americans truly are filth unable to even conceive of anything manufactured in any way that doesn't involve a MakerBot and an Arduino
Jaxon Gonzalez
milling is banned by the government guys so banned that you can just buy mills on craigslist
newyork.craigslist.org
Tyler Garcia
so fucking illegal you can even get one in hongcouver
vancouver.craigslist.org
Nathaniel Hughes
Alright autist, my poor choice of words while drunk as shit aside because I actually have a social life, how about instead of puckering your asshole so hard you could press coal into diamonds, you consider that what was really meant. What I meant was governments have effectively managed to track every piece of productive machinery in circulation instead. A ban doesn't necessarily mean an inability to acquire something. Governments have effectively banned automatic firearms but you can obviously still acquire them legally. Governments have effectively banned various trades, but you can still become part of one through a loicense. When I say "governments have effectively banned stamping, milling, and molding" it's shorthand for "if you want something that stamps/mills/molds, the government WILL KNOW you have it unless you get older models that are continuously refurbished and becoming increasingly harder to obtain." Any piece of machinery built after about 2008 is tracked. There is a paper trail tying it to you. There's too much money for cash to be solely involved in the transaction, and most countries demand to know when a transaction has taken place using large wads of cash. Your craigslist shite is the same crap I could use to go "lol the ATF doesn't ban automatic weapons, I know a guy who will build one for me!"
My premise was that it's extremely hard to hide a machine meant for the level of mass production of firearms that's being discussed in the thread. Either the paper trail exists and your traitorous government already knows you have it, or modern governments could easily install such a paper trail and the taxpayers would foam at the mouth insisting that anyone who doesn't get their CNC loicense that tells the government everything is a filthy terrorist commie bastard or something equally retarded. There will always be "black market" items in circulation, but my point was that when it comes to 3D printers, they are almost impossible to track in comparison, they have a much more civilian market as compared to other operation meaning there are more excuses for owning one, and the consumables are an item that there is very little ability to regulate (or even if regulated, someone can create a new material to fulfill the same purpose and avoid said regulations). 3D Printers fill governments with fear because they're legitimately untraceable since the parts to build one are fuck-easy to acquire/the materials fed into it don't look nearly as suspicious as buying several AR lower-sized blocks of aluminum, and extremely hard to regulate without looking like a totalitarian shithole. If this concept manages to pass over your head, I'm sorry but you're legitimately a giant fucking retard. Now please go and deepthroat a chainsaw you fucking shitcunt maggot.
Grayson Harris
holy shit dude, are you a cuckchanner?
what makes you think muh soshul life means anything on an imageboard?
for once the leaf isn't the biggest faggot in the thread
Nathan Green
If it triggers the leaf, then I have won.
Brandon Lee
Being called an idiot doesn't automatically mean the other person is triggered fyi
Tyler Reyes
hence why theyre available on craigslist and are, in general, totally unregulated