That's a contradiction.
John 5:40
And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
No it doesn't.
No. All simply means all.
They deny the Lord that bought them. That is what it says. Can't get around it.
You haven't mentioned anything out of scripture to back up this statement. Just a bunch of distractions to draw attention away from this lack of scripture here.
No. He is quoting Malachi 1:2-3. There is nothing about hatred before birth, only Malachi 1:3.
Not only a heretic but Calvin's interpretation of God is unbiblical and evil.
What? If a baby dies at birth or a man dies of a brain aneurysm, God has every right to do so. He is the giver of life and damn well has every right to take that life away too!
I love this accusation against the reformed sect that we ignore 1500 years of church history. In fact we do take in the early church fathers in to account and learn about the development of certain doctrine. But we are also aware of their down falls. There are many things to take into account before just believing in something because "muh church fathers" said so such as the fact that only two early church fathers actually knew how to speak both Greek and Hebrew ( Origen and jerome). Also, if you look at Origen and his allegorical interpretation of the OT and how this style of interpretation infected the church until… The reformation. It was only until then did people drop this allegorical interpretation of the OT. All these things need to be taken into consideration when consulting the ECF but at the same time I do not deny them but rather take their thoughts and ideas into consideration when reading scripture.
And if you look here you'll see that Augustine had a lot of the same ideas as John Calvin had: ccel.org
You have no right to take a life and there is no purpose for you to display your ability to kill. God is the supreme and sovereign one and has every right to make His power known to the world whereas you are a clay vessel created for His purpose.
Yes, we have some knowledge of good and evil since we have a conscience. But it is not perfect. Still God predestining some people for damnation and others for salvation is completely within His prerogative as a Just and Holy God.
I literally quoted where God says "I" sent a lying spirit. It's simple exegesis, which I know papists are not very fond of. By God letting the spirit go out it was akin to Him sending the lying spirit. Also, it is a false equivocation to compare it to America allowing guns since they did not intend people to use the guns for a school shooting, but God intended the lying spirit to deceive them.
Again, another displayal of your ignorance.
God made it so. Simple.
He wants all to be saved but has only decreed some to be saved. This does not mean He is not omnipotent since He could save all, but He has not decreed so. And I don't know where omniscience fits into all of this.
It's not
Because God has not drawn them and they do not desire to come to Christ.
Did you even bother to read the link?
Same word for all here also appears in Matthew 2:3. Would make the verse sound funny If it literally means all.
Yes, all have gone astray like sheep. No one is good.
Read my OP.
OMG, yes He's quoting Malachi but Paul applies it to before they were born. Now you're using your own interpretation and not Paul's interpretation.
Actually, it is using a rhetorical device known as meiosis that is a euphemistic tool used to understate the significance of something. The verse is saying "I will cease to express any more love to them in the form of blessings."
Wonderful verse but now you have to define world and the word for world here (kosmos) is used in a variety of ways. Just check out these verses: John 1:29 talks about taking away the sins of the world. But if world means everyone then all will go heaven IE universalism. Also, look at John 12:19 and John 14:17 and John 16:8
First of all, John 12 isn't discussing the drawing to salvation. This is clear by the context, John 6 on the other hand is talking about being drawn to salvation because there is an intimate connection between the two clauses. The first clause is discussing our inability to come to Christ unless the Father acts in the person and this person will be raised up to salvation.
Amen!
I've given you the biblical evidence, now, why do you think it's heretical or even worse "evil?"
I never judged Him for deaths, but taking a life is still killing.
It's the context that makes it right or wrong.
I'm pretty sure that the OT was taken even more literal as it is today before the reformation.
Sure Origen discussed about Genesis but that's about it.
That's what I meant.
First of all, you find one Church Father, maybe with some more effort 3 or something.
Then you take their work, skim through everything you call us 'papists' for and then decide to interpret one part in a calvinistic way.
That's not what I asked, so I'll ask it again:
If I kill you or anybody on the street, does that glorify me if I can just show my power through it?
You didn't.
He does not send lying spirits in a literal sense, He let's them do as they please when He wants to as with job.
One half of my family are protestants, whatever denomination they might me.
In the same time I live very close to the cradle of the reformation and the country which embraced Calvin's teachings with open arms.
I know enough of Calvinism to know that you are not a pure reformed in a Calvinistic sense, maybe Zwinglian but I don't know as much about him.
Not an argument either, seems like you can't explain why God would contradict Himself.
Omniscience means all-knowing, and together with omnipotence, all-powerful, God can do anything.
He therefore has the knowledge and the power to make His will be done.
However, if God decrees something entirely different than what scripture says, it isn't really His will if He has the capability to do it yet decrees something else.
What God decrees is His will on the end, and with Calvinism it seems to contradict scripture.
If I see someone who needs some money in the grocery store, and I will that he had that extra money, yet I do not give it to him.
Did I then really want to give it to him, or did I just not have the money myself?
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The word for all encompasses a whole, so yeah it just means all.
There is no context needed for God to take a life.God can take the life of a baby in the womb or make awfully grown healthy man die of a brain aneurysm. In fact there was a Muslim by the name of nabeel qureshi who converted to Christianity and wrote many books about coming to Christ and leaving Islam, yet he died of cancer recently.
No, they mostly had an allegorical interpretation of the OT that also effected how they read the bible. It wasn't until the reformation that the OT was taken more seriously. And I'm not talking about it they interpreted genesis literally or no but rather their form of exegesis. I liked Jerome because he didn't use this form of biblical interpretation.
What?
Oh, Augustine was the main inspiration for John Calvin's view on grace and free will. It's not even skimming, Augustine was kinda like the father of this and John Calvin developed on some of his teachings. And I don't think it's fair to say I'm cherry picking early church fathers since Augustine was a very influential church father especially for catholics.
How would it glorify you? It's a false equivocation because you're saying that God doing something is equal to you doing it. Also, what do you mean by glorify? Only God can attain glory and us once we have gained out inheritance in heaven. They're different situations completely.
I am a Presbyterian and am much closer to the Puritants in my theology. Yes, God damns some soul to hell by predestining them while glorifies others by predestining them to heaven. But with the case of the damned souls, we believe that all people are on the path to hell and it's only when God does His acts of regeneration do we finally change. He leaves the sinners in their state of sin. But this does not mean that God doesn't cause some to sin by giving them over to a sinful spirit such as the case with the pharoah but these are people God has already predestined for hell and since they are going to hell anyway God then uses as an example by making them fall further into sin.
It's not a contradiction. God desires all to be saved but has only decreed some. I could ask you if God wants all to be saved then why doesn't He? When it you say because of man's free will then Did God limited in His power by the will of man. Does God wait in anticipation for someone to come to Him and was there a possibility that no one could have been saved making Christ's death be in vain?
Yes, there is a distinction between God's will and His decree but just because He decrees something doesn't mean it is also His will to do so.
It is not. That is a important distinction to make.
We are not God and His ways are not our ways so any way you try to equivocate humans with God, it will always be a false equivocation. Furthermore, there was no reason for you to not give that person money. God withholds His grace from some for the greater good.
Yes, but it can also mean an all encompassing group such as simply the believers or a certain area etc.