Several hundred Roman Catholic priests in Pennsylvania were accused of sexually abusing more than a thousand children...

Several hundred Roman Catholic priests in Pennsylvania were accused of sexually abusing more than a thousand children, a grand jury report on Tuesday said, in an alleged “cover-up” described as “sophisticated” by the state’s attorney general.

The report faulted Cardinal Donald Wuerl, the former longtime bishop of Pittsburgh who currently leads the Washington archdiocese, for what it said was his part in the concealment of clergy sexual abuse. Wuerl defended himself, releasing a statement Tuesday that said he had “acted with diligence, with concern for the victims and to prevent future acts of abuse.”

Over the course of a two year investigation, launched by Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro’s office, a grand jury heard several witness statements and pored over documents from six dioceses in the state.

Those dioceses included Allentown, Erie, Greensburg, Harrisburg, Pittsburgh and Scranton. Upwards of 300 "predator priests" stand accused of the decades-long abuse, the report said.

“The cover-up was sophisticated. And all the while, shockingly, church leadership kept records of the abuse and the cover-up,” Shapiro said at a news conference. “These documents, from the dioceses' own 'Secret Archives,' formed the backbone of this investigation.”

It’s possible that the “real number” of abused children could be “in the thousands” due to missing records or other victims who feared speaking about the allegations, according to the grand jury’s report.

In order to prevent the Catholic Church from suffering bad publicity or financial liability, the panel claimed that a series of bishops and other diocesan leaders attempted to hide the alleged abuse.

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from ministry.
Gee, I wonder where they're getting this perverted version of Mary from?

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Nothing worse than calumny, eh? The people writing this article are the real criminals then by that logic.

Is this even real? Some of the accusations are far-fetched.


I don't know, maybe some of those cases happened. It does seems like a "muh 6 gorillion"-like claim. Also


“It’s the Jews!”


I should clarify by saying I mean "mandatory clerical celibacy."
Celibacy outside of marriage should be the norm.

Honest question for Catholics on here. I know you claim it's just the media's hate boner for you, but even if that's the case how do you react to the fact that this just keeps getting revealed all the time. If this is true something like 10% of priests in Pennsylvania were pedos and over half at least knew about the pedos and covered it up. There are more dirty priests than good ones and this could probably by multiplied by every diocese in the country. Among the upper tiers of the clergy literally everyone was complicit. How do you trust anybody in your Church?


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Novus Ordo Catholics are deluded lmao

MBD has the right idea

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The issue is that there's not enough priests around, the more normal men around, the more likely it is that it would be stopped.

Well! Satan laughs with you, not somebody I'd want to be caught being comrade with.

never heard of him

And whose fault is that? All the normal men either got turned at the sodomite factories or were turned away for being too conservative.
The people who ran those knew and were complicit in this abomination.
But I'm afraid the consequences of this will be devastating. If people leave the RCC, I doubt they might stay within Christianity overall.
But just watch, Pope Francis will just sit around, have a select few resign, and no one will get defrocked.
Mmhm. And I'm sure that when there were orgies in the Vatican back in the day, anyone who rightly called it out was decried as being in league with Satan.
Get your own mess sorted out before you go wagging your finger at us.
God have mercy on us.

I'd blame modern culture and the 60's, the former for completely conquering the west, and the latter for the sexual liberation subversion. You can read E. Michael Jones' Libido Dominadi to see that the Church was targeted in much of the West.

I think it'll be passing, many of the offenders are either dead or really old (see: 60's). This is a wakeup call to the Church, I think we're gonna see a hard-swerve after the scandal/Francis leave.

the what now

Just go research the Borgias and see what kind of legacy they left.
Here's a little list of some infamous popes:

What if the actual problem is the systematic cover-ups in the church? Or the lack of punishment?

The sad thing is that even after this revelation, nothing will change. What we see is probably the tip of the iceberg. Francis will say something like “we need to try harder”, no reforms will take place, child abuse will continue with church officials assisting in hiding it.

I don't so much trust in particular people in the Church, but in God's promise to save it.

Scandals of such as current or even worse (e.g. the Arian crisis of the 4th century, or the Western Schism of the 14th century) have appeared, and in the end Christ always emerged victorious in His Church, however hopeless, in worldly perspective, the situation seemed.

Pic very related

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This makes me physically ill

Wishful thinking.

It's what they get for not believing the word of God.

>It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes. - Psalm 118:8-9

No one has mentioned the grooming and recruiting that occurs within the seminaries. This is a key part of hell the “lavender mafia“ came to be the most powerful faction in the Vatican. This is all a very complicated story, but all of the puzzle pieces are out there if you look for them. People are starting to put those pieces together and understand how the church has been subverted. These issues will be looked into eventually by federal law enforcement agencies in the United States ( don’t forget about the embezzlement ). RICO Act.

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I think part of the problem is how the Church has come to operate. It really seems like the Church's hierarchy has come to operate as if it's some kind of political agency or secret society rather than a spiritual institution, and that would much rather go at great lengths to cover it's own ass if a scandal arises rather than actually address the issue so as to continue to operate as it is without any distrust. I know this is going to sound like I'm shilling, but I swear I'm not this is just what I've noticed but, I think this is precisely why other institutions like the Orthodox Church don't have this problem precisely because they act more in accordance with being a spiritual institution rather than some kind of society or political faction.

I have noticed that some of the best Catholics that have looked into the lavender mafia scandal have chosen to convert to go orthodox.

Check out what this guy is writing for

I'm aware of the stupid crap previous Popes have done, not a bit of it has prevailed over the Church.

All of which stems from a lack of priests. Who will push to ostracize a priest that is nearly irreplaceable? And what if there's an equal amount of reprobate over the just?

I'm telling you, the future isn't going to be like this. There's not many current, young priests being caught doing this.


Calling people “papist” like you are a member of the church of england in the 16th century. Stop larping.

Can you elaborate more on the lavender mafia? What are the different pieces of the puzzle?

That was about the Orthodox church, nobody's gonna save the Catholic church until they go back to the original teachings and dogma.

The grand jury report is here:

This is sick stuff. Giving boys gold crosses to wear so that other priests knew they had been groomed for sex abuse; promoting priests who openly admitted to raping children; lying to police so that the statute of limitations runs out.

The Catholic Church is corrupt to the core.

A priest sexually abused all the young sisters in a family (I think five sisters). One girl started being raped at 18 months old until she was 12 years old. This family was extremely active in the church. The girls were abused when they came to count collections. Heartbreaking.

Literally using faith to abuse children.

A priest forced a girl to give him oral sex and then rinsed her mouth out with holy water to “purify” it. In many cases, the priests told the kids that it was okay because the priests are “instruments of god”.

Read the articles that I already linked to.

None of this is buried very deep.

Search Google for the term “lavender mafia”. Narrow search results to the news category.

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The different pieces of the puzzle are all of the different bishops archbishops and Cardinals that have been promoted by the gay faction. It would seem that they are recruited while in seminary while non-Homo seminarians are discouraged from joining the clergy. The McCarrick revelations last month is what really brought all of this to light. It is pretty certain now that he was Abusing and Recruiting seminarians in one of the most active seminaries on the East Coast that fed all of the East coast dioceses. The current information that was released yesterday will reveal more of the network if you look into who did the covering up and shuffle ling of priests from place to place. This network goes all the way to rome as pope Francis has stated as quoted in the Wikipedia article I linked above.

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One key component to all of this is how the lavender mafia has kept the good priests from revealing all of this. Due to the seal of confession if the priest abuse as a child and is worried that another priest has knowledge of the incident and is going to turn him in, He goes to that priest and confesses his abuse, thus permanently silencing the person who is going to reveal him.

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As a Catholic, I am utterly disgusted…
I don’t care if the claims have been “engorged” to turn it into the usual media circus event; even one priest committing one of those vile acts is enough to show how big of a problem we got at hands…paedophilic and homosexual priests are among the most disturbing and disgusting things we have to atone for, and we have to do penance and ask God forgiveness for their sins whole they have to go to jail for the rest of their lives and pray that God will forgive them.
I’m not going to leave the Church, but I’m not going to make excuses for the miserable state in which we are right now.

Way to go Catholics.

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Yes, we should have prayed more, and we should have fought against those who infiltrated and influenced the Vatican.
Miserere nobis…

Eh…why did the mods remove the post? Not sure if biased tho

Celibacy doesn't make you a pedophile. Why aren't they having affairs with grown women/men if it were a repression issue?

After this and Francis failing to help the pro-life movement in Ireland and his stupid changes of Catholic doctrine, why are we still subjected to heavy-handed Catholic bias in our board's moderation? Their "church" is in shambles and they hard-coded their own destruction with false doctrines like Papal Infallibility.

Ever heard of the Pornacracy? You "church" has been a seething house of corruption for a loooonnnngggg time. All normal men too, Catholic and not, also don't want to deal with your stupid law against clerical marriage, a doctrine of demons according to Paul (1 Tim. 4:1-3)

You poor naive heretic.

For God so hated sin he destroyed the world.

The Gospel of Noah is making a lot of sense right now.

Well they are Catholics…

The laity has been denouncing the lack of action by the Church hierarchy since forever, much before the media started using this as a means to strike at the Church. Because make no mistake, this media that promotes "child drag queens" and normalizes the sexualization of children is absolutely NOT interested in the welfare of those kids.

We are in an absolutely sorry state. Either Francis does something about this or he should pull a Benedict XVI and resign to instate someone who will. But do we even have enough people among the Cardinals to vote into office the right person?

This. Were celibacy the issue, they would be having affairs with grown women, or grown men if they liked that. What is happening is basically that much like schoolteaching etc, the position puts you in a privileged position with regards to vulnerable people, so it tends to attract monsters who will take advantage of it.

Evidently the process of ordination has become too lax, too accepting, so these monsters have an easy time to get in and even build a network that will protect them and cover up for them.

It needs to be stricter, and the Church needs to accept that if it does become stricter, it might see a drastic reduction in the number of priests. But so be it. We endured Nero, we can endure this.

At times my selfish egotistical nature makes me think all is lost…I’m not saying the Church is completely lost (we had terrible scandals and bad pipes before), but the laity has lost the connection with the bedrock of the True Faith entrusted to us by God.

More claims incoming

This is horrible for anyone who identifies as Christian. I already have co-workers shit talking Christianity because of what the Catholics are doing now. It's annoying having to defend the faith and apologize for a sect I consider schismatic/heretical as winnie the pooh.

Of course the worst part is the victims, the children/teens, and the fact that these pedofags aren't getting any serious punishment. They should jailed and castrated and the Church should be fully transparent. But I have a feeling this goes way way up to the TOP, so they can't be transparent.

If the priests had any honor they would commit seppuku publicly

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It's because they keep letting """celibate""" fags into the clergy.

Probably because 1. Adults are less impressionable and more likely to know what is happening is wrong and against Church teaching. 2. Adults would be more likely to be believed than children if they reported such behaviour 3. A lot of this abuse seems to take place where these perverts have access to vulnerable children e.g. schools, orphanages etc.

I do not see how it is possible for the Church to recover from this. I am Catholic, passionately and devoutly so, and well read on history which is without equal to this trial, and I can only see the end. I pray and I pray and I look for comfort here and everywhere else from my fellow Catholics who cannot provide any and I see only the end. Save us, Lord. Please, please, please, please, O God…..

Begome SSPX my friend

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Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of being catholic? Not that i'm overly familiar with them

What do you mean? All their sacraments are valid. But they are Traditionalists, and critical with Vatican II (you can see most pedophile priests joined the seminary in the 60s and 70s)

Pro-tip: stop reading the (((news))) and focus on your own personal salvation. Christ will take care of the mess, what matters is for you to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. The Church has gone through crises such as this since it's beginning, and it will come out victorious like it always does.

It looks like i'm out of my depth here, i thought they were similar to sedevacantists, my bad.

No one has mentioned the key thing that has kept most of these sick winnie the poohs out of jail. The statue of limitations that vary from state to state. Look up what they are for your state. Write letters to your state representatives!

(It is actually fairly easy to enact legislative change on a state level. The states are small enough that Your Voice Can Be Heard.)

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Honestly this.
But our good piper just recently spoke against the death penalty.

Considering the entire western world is marred by drag queen, gay and pedo accpetance pushing and shit like that, this will probably be forgotten by the end of the year and the struggle will continue.
I'd consider it a miracle alone if Francis actually makes moves against the lavender.

Give me a break. Anyway, to other Catholics in Pennsylvania, write your Bishop or whoever to get all those involved defrocked and in jail for life. They shouldn't get special treatment just because they're priests. How does that make us look? That we let one of the WORST evils just go if "one of ours" committed it? Where's my millstone…

The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
An evil soul producing holy witness
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
A goodly apple rotten at the heart.
O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!

And yet the contention that celibacy causes pedophilia remains completely retarded. The services of a prostitute are trivial to acquire and much more secure than abusing a child, and it's easy for adults both equally incriminated in an affair to keep it secret. You seriously think if you weren't allowed to have a woman that you'd sooner sate your supposedly heterosexual lust for women with a child than just secretly getting a woman? Are you a mental case? Your logic dictates that they ought to just be winnie the pooh dogs, the most easily concealed way to be a filthy degenerate, and yet they aren't.

The idea that not wanting to be exposed for a relatively minor and easily concealed crime is the motivation to commit a far more grievous one which will inevitably come to light eventually is absurd. And you really think people wouldn't believe a child who says a priest touched them? What world are you living in retard? But it seems that you're just determined to leverage a disgusting and evil betrayal of children into a further erosion of faithfulness, while leaving the actual cause unaddressed. So I guess a win-win from your perspective sodomite apologist.

What a coincidence, just before evidence drops of a plurality of human filth infesting the church being deserving of death, our progressive in chief has words to spare for condemning the death penalty in total. Seeing the conduct of our church today makes me sick to my stomach, between being the useful idiots covering for cultural and moral degeneration, being in bed with mass immigrationist and progressive NGO's, covering for the systematic rape and abuse of children to a further extent than we ever knew, and God know's what else.

The Church leadership in general have abused the goodwill of the faithful in order to be the soldiers of the devil, and have as a consequence inflicted incalculable damage to the Church and caused the ruination of untold souls. They have a lot to answer for. I pray we'll see justice done in this world, and that God inflicts his most perfect justice on them in the next.

winnie the pooh filth. I hate and want to kill them. I hope that all the states overturn their statute of limitations, have them extradited and hanged in public.


Look to Chili they went through this same crisis until they forced all 34 of their Bishops to be dragged to Rome. The Church will survive because no matter what Satan infects an powerful arm will reach up to sweep his works away and the Church will emerge stronger for it. The Laity must be like Jesus and enter the temple to drive the serpents and vipers out of the Church.

I only posited a theory based on what's happened here and in every other case of clerical child abuse. It's never against adults and always with kids, very vulnerable kids. If you want the truth so badly ask your kiddy-winnie the pooh priests yourself and find out.

Your theory's retarded and was stated in opposition to a much better one. They prey on kids because they're sick freaks who want to winnie the pooh kids and have built a network to help defend them from the consequences of that, it makes no sense to blame clerical celibacy because it is easier by any standard to get adult women if you want them, even if you're a priest. You're telling me that they can flex their influence and cover up child molestation but not an affair with a parishioner or prostitute?That it's even plausible that being celibate is likely to cause you to then become a homosexual pedophile through the psychological magic of "repression?" I don't need to ask my priest in order to not believe something idiotic, get a clue.

It is done to children because children are easy to manipulate. Priests also have power over them because the parents assumed the priest a servant of God would never harm a child. It goes deeper then that because seminarians young adults trying to become priests have also been abused with threats of being booted out of the church if they ever came out about it. The Bishops protecting their own then went and covered it all up for decades.

IT IS NOT AN ISSUE ABOUT MARRIAGE at the time these are gay pedophiles and perverts praying on vulnerable boys and young men. The Bishops will not admit it because their entire homosexual sympathetic hill they have decided to die on collapses once this connection is made.

Gay clergy are the problem. Zig Forums was right again about gays.

If only parents actually cared about their children and didn't leave them alone with adult men. If your child gets raped it's because you hate them.

WHAT!? WHAT!? WHAT!? WHAT!? WHAT THE ABSOLUTE winnie the pooh!? THIS CANNOT BE REAL!!!! WHAT THE ABSOLUTE winnie the pooh winnie the pooh! I apologize for my language but seriously though WHAT THE ACTUAL winnie the pooh!

Please let this be bait.

Like a guy used to say:
You're right, my mistake. There are some priests that abuse nuns instead children. So congrats on that one.

How gay of them.

Fine Gays, Pedophiles, and Rapist. The point is still the same the BISHOPS need to be held responsible for this mess and they are not. Bishops are protecting the criminals, Bishops are taking our money and spending it on sex parties, the Bishops are the ones who need to be brought down.

It isn't. How is a kid going to be defiled if their parents are providing proper supervision?
It's reasonable to conclude that child neglect is hate.

Who says homos can't rape females? According to the world homophilia is just a preference. If you prefer cereal for breakfast does that mean you'll never eat anything else?

People criticizing celibacy are basically admitting that they'd rape children if they couldn't have sex. It's pretty creepy.

Suicide is a sin.

A necessary one for some people. If they were ever truly saved they would be forgiven of it just the same.

Not going to lie, this scandal has pretty much shut down any attempt at bringing most of my peers in my area to the faith.

The overwhelming majority of cases are priests abusing early adolescent boys between around 10 to 12. The problem is pedophiles, specifically gay pedophiles, and in fact gays in general have a mu h higher chance of abusing children than the average population.

ITT: the gays are responsible for everything

Lads, there are multiple instances in this grand jury report of priests raping girls.
And a straight priest can rape boys

The idea that it’s simply a small group of people complicit in these activities is wrong. The investigation uncovered what the Church called “secret archives”, ie file cabinets of sex abuse claims and confessions that sat there for years. The grand jury called it an “open secret” and the Church actively worked to protect the abusers until the statute of limitations ran out. This could not have happened without help from priests, bishops, archbishops, deacons, etc all across the country.

This is likely the beginning of a large and ongoing revelation of the sexual abuse of children from other diocese all across the USA. This is a terrible situation for Christianity and especially the Catholic Church. This will cause many people to give up faith.

Why does God let us live? There is no doubt the wretched men in the Church responsible for this are also in league with the pedogate allegations that have been brought up about politicians in the state. All of our society is so foul and corrupt, none of it deserves to exist but a second longer. Why does God let us and these men live instead of just destroying us now?

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No straight man has ever raped a boy. It isn't possible. Also the straight pedophile is a myth.

The lengths that some people will go to in order to simply deny responsibility is astounding. So, the gay priests are raping 18-month-old girls? The gay priests are fondling and kissing 7-year-old sisters in their cars? The gay priests are impregnating 9-year-olds and arranging abortions for them? The gay priests are raping five sisters for a decade?

This attitude of your simply enables these predators. I hope you find God someday. You have a lot of hate in your heart.

I don't. It's a sad state of affairs. This has all been prophesized though.

Stop LARPing as a wapanese man.

So…every guy that has touched a minor regardless of sex is a faggot?

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Matthew 23:

23 Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, 2 saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do. 4 For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. 5 But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the borders of their garments. 6 They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues, 7 greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, ‘Rabbi, Rabbi.’ 8 But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. 11 But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.

13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in. 14 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation.

15 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.

16 “Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘Whoever swears by the temple, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gold of the temple, he is obliged to perform it.’ 17 Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that sanctifies the gold? 18 And, ‘Whoever swears by the altar, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gift that is on it, he is obliged to perform it.’ 19 Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that sanctifies the gift? 20 Therefore he who swears by the altar, swears by it and by all things on it. 21 He who swears by the temple, swears by it and by Him who dwells in it. 22 And he who swears by heaven, swears by the throne of God and by Him who sits on it.

23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone. 24 Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!

25 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and self-indulgence. 26 Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the outside of them may be clean also.

27 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. 28 Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

29 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous, 30 and say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.’

31 “Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers’ guilt. 33 Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell? 34 Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, 35 that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

37 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38 See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39 for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

Of course because "homosexuality" is just about abusing humanity and deriving pleasure from it. They will violate anything they can, be it man or animal. Every instance of homophilia in the scriptures are a testament to this fact. Adults like you get your understanding of these predators from homo/Jew controlled television and children suffer for it.

Yeah, there's only one kind of person who desires strange flesh. The only drive for them is perverted predatory abuse.

Day of the Millstone when?

He obviously wasn’t being serious

I'm waiting until there is convictions and proof, not bs from (((shapiro))). You gonna trust (((shapiro))) who's running a witch-hunt and believe every allegation? Some of these things are beyond crazy and stuff that (((they))) would love for us to be doing.

Andersonites gtfo

The words of the victims themselves and the priests who admitted to it and the archives of confessions aren’t enough, huh, it’s always the Jews. Are the hundreds of people who worked for two years on this investigation *all* Jews or just some of them?

there have literally been only 3 convictions here. The vast majority of everything else has not been proved. And every person doesn't have to be one of (((them))), just the people in charge. Prots and atheists all hate the one true church as much as Jews too.

Yep, completely agree with you guys. Rick Wiles does a good job of disseminating and analyzing what's going on with the recent RCC scandal.

The church is still redacting names of the priests involved, most of them are already past the statute of limitations thanks to the church assisting in a cover up. Some of the predators died while awaiting trial. This whole “it’s always the joos” thing doesn’t really make sense tbh. Do the Jews force the victims to make these claims? Do the Jews force the victims to attempt suicide and get addicted to drugs?

Uggh, people trying to talk law who don't know law.

"Piercing the veil" - in the corporate sense does not apply at all.

Any corporate employee, church or otherwise, can and always was able to be investigated. Piercing the veil means holding the owner accountable- are they suing God? If not, there hasn't been a piercing.

And what happened to innocent until proven guilty?

I’d just like to warn all of the non-Catholics here that, regardless of the heinous nature of these crimes, it is far from wise to be celebrant of it or use it as ammunition against Catholicism.

The very same people who are far happier to hear this news, as it gives them points against the faith, would be equally happy to turn around and attack you in the very same way. They’re not concerned with serving Christ in the same manner as you are, but with attacking Him and His faithful.

Tread lightly.

What this user said. Divide and Conquer is a good tact.