POPE UNDER FIRE: Pope Francis' speech was 'disgraceful' and contained 'extraordinary deflection', victims claim

POPE UNDER FIRE: Pope Francis' speech was 'disgraceful' and contained 'extraordinary deflection', victims claim
“It’s mind-boggling to me that to ask the Pope to tell the damn truth is a radical thing to suggest.”

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Clerical abuse survivor Colm O’Gorman has described the speech by Pope Francis at Dublin Castle as an “incredible missed opportunity”. Speaking after he attended the civic reception for the Pontiff, Mr Gorman said: “It is staggering to me that in 2018 we are still asking a Pope to take responsibility, not for his own actions necessarily but for the actions of the institution that he heads.

Asked whether he had hoped the Pope would go further in his comments, the head of Amnesty in Ireland said he should have looked to talk to the people of Ireland. “It’s a huge shame. Frankly it’s rather disgraceful. This is about criminality at the highest level within an institution,” Mr O'Gorman said. He added: “The Vatican has directed, implemented and instituted a cover of the crimes of clergy, including the rape and abuse of children, of women and vulnerable adults across the world. “When he talks about his sadness and grief at the harm that I and others suffered, what does that mean? I was thought as a toddler by my parents that if I wanted to apologise for something, the first thing I had to do was take responsibility for my own actions.” Protesters have gathered along Dame Street in the city centre and more are expected to line the streets as Pope Francis makes his way throughout the city later today.

One protester, from Pennsylvania, where the most recent scandal on mass child sexual abuse, has cast a shadow on this Papal visit, was in attendance, alongside Irish and Northern Irish victims of clerical sexual abuse. The woman said she had also been a victim as a child though her case had run out of time in the legal system. "So much has been covered up by bishops in the Catholic Church," the woman said. "I was so small when I was abused, not by a member of the Church but it was covered up by the Church. "Everyone knew, my mother, the teachers in school, everyone but that was back in the 70s and everyone was so afraid of the Church. "It was important for me and other victims, to be here today, to use Pope Francis' visit as a stage for protest, to force change in the Church - that bishops must no longer be allowed to cover up child abuse. "Ireland has come so far, with the 'Repeal' movement and LGBTI marriage rights and now in Ireland we are going to send a message to the Church together."

Richard Duffy, who brandished a sign bearing the words “arrest the pope” said that the Pope is "guilty of crimes and should be held to account". “Abuse and the cover-up of crimes is ongoing. There are plenty of people all the way up who deserve to be arrested,” he said, adding that he believed that anyone in the Church from the position of Cardinal up has been involved in some form of cover-up. He added that he respected and admired the core Catholic message of love and compassion but added: “It’s those who believe in it who are most betrayed by the Vatican.”

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What else can you expect… From a Jesuit.

Good on the Pope for not bowing down to the demands of heretics and apostates. If they had it their way, they'd have the Pope apologizing for doing the abuse himself. These people are vipers that won't rest until they've brought the Church to the lowest point. They couldn't care less about "apologies".

This.
I'm tired of seeing this rape victims shitting on the church when they support LGBTABCDEFGHIJKL shit.
I'm yet to see a rape victim who is an heterosexual.

Hard to turn out as a normal straight when you got buttburgled by a priest as an impressionable kid

If someone forces me to eat something I don't like I won't magically start to like it and dislike the food I previously liked.

Truly it would've been better for these priests to be thrown into the river with a millstone on their necks.

That's is true deviating people from christ like this grants you access to the lower parts of hell.
I don't know how do they have the courage to celebrate the Eucharisty.
Still there are still some rape victims that were raped when they were teens. In this case I find it hard to believe the kid didn't consent unless we was beaten to death. In that case hell with both of them.

I can imagine that sex at a young age is significantly more traumatic than being made to eat spinach, but then again I don't know exactly how that works.

At least for me I don't think that if I was raped by a dude right now I'd become gay.
Certainly I would never look at a woman in her eyes disgusted with my own body and I don't think I would be even able to look at myself, but gay wouldn't be one of things I'd become.
It might be different for other people idk

It’s not that being raped magically turns you gay. It’s being raped as a child, who has no understanding of what’s going on, who hasn’t developed sexually. Generally, children molested/raped/abused before they are developed adults don’t develop properly afterwards

It's likely. I just get mad when I hear some 15yo kid that got raped by a priest and turns out he was gay. I guess when we are 15 we already know what we are.
Specially in man sex is a thing most of them wouldn't refuse.
When I was a 16 edgy degenerate kid if some adult woman approached me I would consent 100%.
If that's the case in those raping then both the priest and the kid are guilty and deserve to be burned.

I used to be like this saying "why didn't he just whack that guy in the face?", but we only see the outside of the story.
They have been servers for a while, grew close to the priest, trusted him, told them secrets (in- and outside of confession), told them their problems and then…well you can already know what happens.
Unless the teen was indeed completely uninfluenced and willing, yeah to hell with both of them in that case

Do remember; we are NOT born gay.
You can have some genetic predisposition that could make you gay at the most, but in the end it's external factors that can make you gay.
Look at prisons for instance.

I wasn't implying that at all bro.
I meant when we are 15 most people already know if they want a woman or a man based on external factors which explains why today there are more and more faggots thanks to the Internet.

Presumably if you are of the lowest kind of criminal, you either have no faith in the supernatural or don't care for one reason or another. Thus courage wouldn't even enter into the equation, it's just a thing.

I remember there was a cheap film from the 70s, some knockoff of "Duel", where a priest was leaving a monastery in the US southwest. One line did get me though, he tossed some bottled holy water into his car on the way out, when someone complained he just said "It's just tap water". I imagine it's that kind of mindset.

I guess so.
I just don't get it. Why did those gay, atheist, modernists… people wanted to be priests in the first place. What was their objective? I mean I try to be a good Christian but I don't think I could be a priest since it is a very hard path.
If you could be rich by being a priest, or you could learn how to read like in middle ages I would understand but the life of a priest isn't attractive to the average Joe.
Why do they do this? It is just because they hate the Church?

External factors can change.
A betamale rejected one too many times, someone going out of prison a year too late, etc.
Heck I know someone who was so abysmal with girls he turned out gay without a sign at first and I knew exactly why he went gay.

W-wew I though those kinds of things were an /r9k/ meme.

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The Church never protect anyone once the cops arrived with the proofs.
We just don't like to feed people into the lions. Innocent until proved otherwise.

Also implying the Pope is responsiblr for this. And the same people that want to humiliate the Pope are gay and abortion groups.

Well, think about it this way. Look at this bit from America magazine (and yeah I know, >America):
americamagazine.org/faith/2017/08/11/how-much-do-catholic-priests-and-their-lay-colleagues-make-new-report-gives

Some pricings vary from region to region but someone starting out makes about $20-$25k USD a year. Now, doing some quick math indicates that's about $7-8 an hour according to a standard 8 hour work week (of course you can say that they go above and beyond that, which is fair). But the median taxable income in around $45k. If you happen to live in a decently priced area, and of course you (supposedly of course given the subject) live alone due to your vocation, that's a pretty decent salary! In some cities you can live decently off of it just by itself, not even talking suburbs or rural locations.

But then you get into the position of benefits. If you have things provided to you, which of course would vary from location to location, but still with that in mind you could have a fair amount of what you need to live provided for you by the diocese. When you have those externalities taken care of, those salary figures seem less troublesome even for very expensive areas. And presumably, the higher you rise in the ranks, the more benefits (official and unofficial) you receive.

Imagine one is a gay atheist man who doesn't have much going for him in his life. You think about the Catholics you protested last week against, but then you get thinking on all those factors above since you at least have a little financial sense. That's how you stay alive after all. But if you figure you can get a reasonable enough amount of play-money after a time, and you receive on the clock benefits really solidify it AS play-money…and the only thing one would have to do to accomplish this is (in that disordered mindset) "place out food for some old folks and listen to the local sloot talk about her pornography addiction once a week in a confession box"…if no moral scruples were involved, there would certainly be a temptation. If you were REALLY driven, you'd even get a chance to change the church to better suit your preferences from the inside!

You also say, it's a hard path. If you are doing it right, it probably is hard. But it's not like there aren't questions about finances in Rome, for a start. And certainly, it's also not like there haven't been instances where fully fledged priests haven't been caught dead (very literally) in Havana hotel rooms after their gay pickup for the evening poisoned them. Which requires money and resources, and (back then due to the embargo) political connections.

It's very easy to predict and even to do evil…which is why so many people choose that path over good.

It's a fair point.
It's kinda sad to know that a middle class man in my first world country makes less then a priest in America. I understand why it is a big temptation for some lawless men.

I'm afraid not.
He's this buff (not fat, just large, you know the type) 6/10 nice guy who was very very awkward with girls even when his crush was OBVIOUSLY after him he sperged out.
Then you start questioning your sexuality as an excuse to find someone who wants you and suddenly you're on Tinder and what do you know gays tend to like every guy they see and thus he got attention.
Sure he'll come over and say "yeah but I was questioning my sexuality since I was 16-17 and blabla" but it's pretty obvious when it all happens when you sperg out on your huge crush when she also has a crush on you.
These kind of switches are more prevalent than I believe because of the accepting and even motivating environment we live in today.

But before the cops got involved? Then it’s move them all over

These churches were homosexual manufactories and the Catholic schools are Atheist manufactories. Homosexuality "breeds" through child molestation.

Look at the stories by the oblivious George Takei and Milo Yianoppolous, who recounted their abuse live on TV. Yianoppolous even suggested that these relationships were beneficial for young boys to "discover" who they were.

Yes a confirmed faggot enabler and probably has pedo tendencies himself. A special spot in he'll for clerics like him.
The Roman Church needs a strong Russian pope to clean house. South Americans are hypersexualized faggots.

To do the Devil's work. Knowingly or unknowingly.

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when you hide them how can they be proven otherwise?? lmao

Man you're scaring me.

Oh calm down, you got nothing to worry about because you are a moral compass with out a magnet of the CURRENT YEAR taped on it.
You know faggotry is wrong, so you won't just say "Hmm, I suck at talking to girls, maybe I should try to go for boys because I can talk to them!" every time you get the blues.

Do you have a fetish for russian priests? Jesus Christ can't you say anything else.

Daily reminder that Colm O'Gorman is the rat who took funding from Soros illegally to campaign for abortion with Amnesty International.

Literally took money from a globalist jew to lobby for the deaths of his own people. He is an actual race traitor

Because we don't need popes pandering to minorities and liberals and protecting fags, we need a strong Orthodox Russian Pope. One willing to execute pedophiles himself (after a fair court trial); Anything less will have grave defects. Definitely no Popes with effeminate names.

B-but guys the death penalty is not ok anymore, times have changed heh…