Hey Zig Forums I'm Catholic who has recently woken up to Christianity and this board seems to have an ongoing war between Catholics and Orthodox
I dont know much about the EO church, could someone give a summary of the differences between the Roman Catholic and East Orthodox faiths?
I am open to conversion if the arguments are convincing
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Roman Catholic theology relies very much of classical philosophy in scholasticism whereas Eastern Orthodoxy is more mystically oriented and it's idea of salvation revolves around Theosis.
Ah, and we also don't believe in original sin, or that John the Forerunner was conceived immaculately, or in Limbo, or that the Theotokos can be called co-redemptrix or co-mediatrix.
We also reject the use of statues (they are pagan idolatry), we prefer icons.
This person >>695437 >>695438 is a Protestant LARPer possibly a Baptist. This does not reflect the teachings of Orthodoxy. Please ignore this person's posts.
"This bread and wine receives and possesses three degrees of honor. The first it has by nature, the second it receives by participation, it enters on the third through the Holy Ghost by TRANSUBSTANTIATION. The natural honor it has in that it is a creature and work of God....Wherefore, it is not for this venerated, or worshipped, or carried in procession, but is commended as the fair creation of God. The second degree of honor and regard it receives by participation when it is brought to the holy table, and blessed by the priest, and dedicated.
"Then it is no longer bread and wine as before, but is holy and an honorable gift and divine, and matter fit and set apart and assigned to become properly the body and blood of Christ, the SUBSTANCE of it, and the ACCIDENTS of the SUBSTANCE, still remaining....
"But the third degree of regard and unspeakable honor it receives by TRANSUBSTANTIATION when it puts off the whole of its own SUBSTANCE of the nature of bread, and is TRANSUBSTANTIATED into the flesh and blood of Christ. Wherefore it is not only venerated but is also ADORED, and is believed by all the orthodox Christians to be properly the flesh and blood of Christ our God, although its ACCIDENTS are preserved, the Lord granting this as a concession to human weakness."
"If we kneel to a material image which cannot become the flesh of Christ, why should you forbid us to offer honor and the bowing of head and knees to the matter that is dedicated to God, and inseparably appointed to become the body and blood of Christ, since even before the TRANSUBSTANTIATION which results from the blessing and prayer of the priest it has an ineffaceable hallowing...."
"The Eastern Catholic Holy Church of Christ, which keeps the faith unhurt, teaches her true children to venerate and reverence the holy gifts when they are brought in, and to say, 'Lord, remember me in Thy kingdom,' as holy gifts and honorable matter definitely appointed to be changed into the flesh and blood of Christ, but not as the completed body of the Lord; for this she orders them to ADORE when the priest standing at the doors of the sanctuary says,'Draw near with the fear of God and faith and love.' And then each one says....'I believe, Lord, and confess that Thou art Jesus Christ the Son of the living God, who came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am first.'"
-Gabriel Severus, Metropolitan of Philadelphia
I should note to OP, I support Orthodoxy over Catholicism, but this guy (who has posted on /christian before here) has a lot of bad information
Ah, what would this board be without all the OrthoLARPers who converted from Protestantism...
Classic orthoprot post:
Irl there is literally 0 hatred between Orthodox and Catholic and the two recognise each other as completely valid, yet only disagree over a handful of theological issues. In my town we even run lots of charity in conjunction with Catholics
Thank you for a sensible response
I didnt know how different the two faiths were. But if they are that similar its fine
winnie the pooh me though, I swear Protestants are just LARPing Atheists