honest question. I mean, even if we ignore the fact that nowhere in the bible was it ever forbidden (Onan's sin was sexually exploiting his late brother's wife by having sex with her but not giving her seed)
we still have the problem that it's literally impossible to avoid the spilling/destruction of seed. simply because you will just ejaculate in your sleep.
and the more you avoid masturbation the more ofen you will ejaculate in your sleep. even without wet dreams.
I was avoiding masturbation for a year now. and I ejaculate in my sleep about 1-2 times a week. so im starting to feel it's all pointless…
What's the point of shitting in a toilet instead of on the street?
Benjamin James
It's not about Onan or spilling seed. It's about lust. If you have by some miracle figured out some magical technique to jack off without involving lust, have at it.
Nathan Peterson
I see what you're trying to do… Anyway:
Alexander Cooper
It just feels good honestly. There is no excuse whatsoever for masturbation. NONE. Day 65 here.
Brody Howard
Even from a non-christian point of view, Masturbation is not good for your sexual biology, from a Christian point of view the spiritual consequences are much worse than a hormone and nutritional loss.
William Nguyen
Vade retro Satana.
Charles Lopez
Can you say a prayer before you masturbate and do it for the glory of God? I didn't think so either. The problem with masturbation is not the loss of seed itself, but the lust you let yourself through. Onan was punished for not fulfilling his duty first and foremost, and just using his brother's wife for pleasure alone and not reproducing.
And no, fapping to anime isn't any better.
Brody Carter
if the actual sin of masturbation is lust and not the spilling of seed. then its mission impossible either way unless you live in a secluded monastery for the rest of your life.
all it takes is just to walk down the street and accidentally notice girls in slutty clothes and you already start lusting, like it or not.
in Israel it's a bit less impossible because there are loads of religious jewish girls who dress modestly
but anywhere else? forget about it. 90% of the girls walk around the street with tiny tight mini-shorts, massive cleavages and transparent shirts
Liam Parker
Everyone is going on lust and so one, but by far most important factor is the fact that sex has its prime purpose to be fruitful and multiply. Pleasure is side effect and means to encourage reproduction, not a goal. Any kind of sexual act that doesn't, on conceptual level, makes it possible to procreate, is perversion of this act, purpose set by God from moment of creation of living organisms, therefore sinful. As for nocturnal emissions, this is different due to fact that it wasn't done with purpose and willingly. My mentor doesn't even forbid me to enter sanctuary of the church and I can wear sticharion (though there's a small prayer of St. Basil he Great that should be read after such thing happens). One is a biological processes that you can't control (I remember not sleeping at night if I was preparing for Eucharist, to avoid this), other is willing act done with conscious decision.
Connor Harris
Nice try Shlomo. It's even harder in Saudi Arabia.
Michael Jackson
i have no idea what you're saying. your logic is completely broken
Chase Smith
I think you're wrong user. God commanded us to flee from sexual immorality. So what if a girl passes you by the street and she's dressed like a harlot? Don't lust after her! Let God judge her, and you be pure. I literally came back from a bicycle ride around the city, and I had this issue about 5 times today. Don't insist on looking and keep your mind on things above. That's all. When you see a girl, just keep thinking about God. Stop seeking pleasures of the flesh at all costs. If you get tempted, you get tempted, but willingly succumbing to temptation and watching whores committing adultery while you masturbate is absolutely sinful and there is NO WAY you can justify it. God will not change His judgment, but He will definitely forgive you if you wish to repent and you will not face any judgment if you believe in Christ.
Josiah Evans
God has watched more whores commit adultery than I could hope to watch in thirty lifetimes. Who the winnie the pooh is he to judge?
Easton Collins
I didn't speak about porn at all. of course its immoral. im talking about the act itself and the sin of "lust" which is practically impossible to avoid if you are a functioning male in their early 20's even if you completely avoid porn
Levi Collins
Take your get and leave this board, in the Name of Christ.
Then how do monks in their 20s abstain? There are monasteries in the middle of the city and monks go outside often, and women are welcome into the Church to pray. There are 2 ways of dealing with sex, user: celibacy and marriage. If you are unmarried, it's recommended to stay like that, if you can't, practice celibacy until you get married, and then you can have sex with your wife.
Ethan Young
monks live in secluded monasteries and are trained to avoid contact with bad sights and they prepare themselves each time they decide to go to the city
there is no other way to avoid lust
Justin Lee
I'm loling at you for using kikestan as an example of that
Joshua Robinson
i used that example because i LIVE there.
Evan Taylor
Oh ok thanks for sharing your LIVED EXPERIENCE brother
Dominic Carter
For starters we should avoid sin. There are good reasons why you should not do it…it changes your sexuality, your mentality, lowers your self-esteem, makes you less-masculine. Channel the energy into finding a wife, having kids, getting job, becoming the best version of yourself for your wife, your kids, your nation and for God. That is the point.
Wyatt Baker
All you're saying here is that you are personally consumed with lust and covetousness, and yoked by the desires of the flesh. It's possible to look at a woman and not be consumed by lust. It's possible to control the lusts of your heart. < "If my heart has been enticed toward a woman, and I have lain in wait at my neighbor's door,
Parker Richardson
This is Muslim logic.
Nathan Moore
This is why I love being asexual. The sluttiest slut dressed like the sluttiest slut can slut it up right in front of me and I will never feel aroused. NoFap is not mission impossible for anyone though and you know it, stop making excuses brother.
Michael Richardson
asexual is not a real orientation.
Grayson Lopez
I know that I am attracted to females though not sexually and that’s real enough for me. The appellation is trivial.
Justin Brooks
1. Sola Scripture isn’t in the Bible 2. Masturbation is sin because you are basically fornicating with yourself 3. Having a wet dream isn’t a sin because it’s involuntary
Luke King
You can in fact develop self control and not entertain lustfull thoughts
Daniel Johnson
everyone already has conjugal rights with themselves, otherwise if a husband had sex with his own wife it would be adultery.
Sebastian Taylor
Next question, is it a sin for a married man to masturbate (to his wife) or have sex with his wife who is on birth control?
Daniel Martinez
Yes.
Sebastian Parker
If you can masturbate without breaking rules such as Matthew 5:28 "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart." then absolutely sir, be my guest. But we all know why you're masturbating.
im not saving anything from damnation by refusing to masturbate. since my seed will be spilled whether i want it or not. and i will feel lust, whether i want it or not. if not by accidentally seeing a random slut by the street. then its going to be in a dream
what's the damn difference? same shit happens same result avoiding to do something just to end up doing it voluterality seems like a complete waste of time and energy to me.
no. thats human logic. humanity was educated to dress with modesty and grace before the godless feminists started preaching about "liberating your bodies" bullshit.
i don't know for a fact, but im pretty sure there are loads of people who masturbated before porn was invented. hell now i remember the greeks had ancient drawings of people jerking off. pretty sure it had nothing to do with lust and just a desire for self pleasure because -again- porn didnt exist 2000 years ago
Blake Diaz
Thought summer was over
Brandon Lee
You mean in its current form? Sure. But that doesn't cover your argument, so I assume you mean to say that drawings or sculptures of women in lewd positions didn't exist. But I'm hoping its not that because that means I'm being lectured by someone that failed history class
drawings of ancient greece were very primitive, regular people couldn't afford them. and sculptures were even more rare and expensive.
are you seriously comparing litearlly millions of porn images and videos to some illustrations of 2000 years old? and to think you're implying i failed history class. lol
Nathaniel Lee
Don't give the porn posters (you)s, just report and hide.
It will jump start your spiritual practice if you have one.
Julian Thomas
Catholic opinion discarded.
Jason Thomas
Yes, yet people still looked at those things. It happens that some people didn't have access to animated real life quality porn all the time so they didn't *need* real life quality in first place.
No.
Please leave, this board is for 8ch posters to convert, not reddit.
John Thompson
I honestly can't remember experiencing this myself..
Sexual lust might just be the hardest sin to deal with for men in this day and age, but no matter the day and age, we have to keep in mind that we can't get free from these things on our own strength (John 15:5).
Of course we need to repent and strive to get free, but we also need to humbly come to Jesus for help, and we have to believe in His promise to set us free (John 8:36).
Keep in mind that this is all part of the process of taking up our cross. There has to be a crucifixion in order for there to be a resurrection. We need to die in the flesh in order to be born again in the spirit. Focus on the goal (2 Corinthians 4:16-17).
Owen Campbell
does there need to be an explanation? masturbating to your wife is sinful because manual stimulation is inherently sinful, masturbation throughout history is rare, you never had some guy go "yeah i'd rather fap than have sex with you", there was never enough pornography to justify the sort of habit we have today
now, contraception is a logical extension of this logic, as the only time a "contraceptive" event occurs is explicitly banned by God, see Onan
Caleb Williams
Masturbation is a perverse lustful act which simulates fornication or (marital or not and heterosexual or not) sex in general for the sole purpose of feeling sexual pleasure (which is disrespectful towards the human body, since it is reduced to a vulgar sex toy, thereby also to its holy designer) and the use of contraception unequivocally enables the aforementioned sins. There are plenty of ways to be intimate with your wife in a pure manner without having to resort to penetrating her body and I don’t see how simulating such penetration from afar could be perceived as anything but selfish.
Masturbation is a perverse lustful act which simulates fornication or (marital or not and heterosexual or not) sex in general for the sole purpose of feeling sexual pleasure (which is disrespectful towards the human body, since it is reduced to a vulgar sex toy, thereby also towards its holy designer) and the use of contraception unequivocally enables the aforementioned sins. There are plenty of ways to be intimate with your wife in a pure manner without having to resort to penetrating her body and I don’t see how simulating such penetration from afar could be perceived as anything but selfish.
Hating the sexual nature of men is the same as hating men. Christianity hates men. As men we have the right to indulge ourselves in lust. Stop being hateful.
Most people don’t understand that Jesus was talking about lusting after women when you are married. Being attracted to women as an unmarried man is not a sin.
Evan Barnes
Electro-ejaculation eliminates the lust element. Check it out!
Wyatt Fisher
There's a difference between attraction and fantasizing about what's not yours, you know this
Michael Martinez
This is worth a read for you and everyone here: edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2015/02/whats-deal-with-sex-part-ii.html Basically, being attracted to women is not a sin, but going on and then willingly entertaining and encouraging sexual thoughts about women you're not married to is a sin, per church teaching and scholastic theology. The "daughters of lust" that Aquinas identified are these:
