Is it all over for the Episcopal Church? Can they even be called a "church" anymore?
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Not unless they get that mentally ill man treatment, they can't be.
It was never a real Church® to begin with.
My view is that it's visibly over for you as soon as you start ordaining women, but there's probably some less visible change before that when it's already over.
You mean like with the Catholic Church?
APOSTOLICS YES!
The Catholic Church doesn't ordain women.
It's just the culmination of the moral relativism started by the Reformation. They have caught up and are fully aligned with liberals now.
Since when are Anglicans Apostolics?
Anglicanism was a mistake.
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Remind me, was it two Episcopal priests who were caught having sex in Miami Beach this week?
Also, literally working in a refuge for the homeless and still staying in his original marriage.
Even Rome would say a man who took on the appearance of a woman would still be a priest. You want to slam us, slam the awful, "be nice" preaching. Slam the liberal "Did He really resurrect?" people. Don't slam this. This priest isn't a hypocrite.
Anglicans lost their Apostolic Succession when their priests started affirming blatant heresy, which started pretty much immediately after Henry VIII died.
If you want Apostolic succession and to be taken seriously so badly, just get in communion with Rome, Constantinople, or Alexandria. Stop trying to act like literally anything good has come out of going your own way.
Pic related perfectly describes you. The kid on the left in the Anglican Communion, and the guy on the right is real Apostolic Christianity. You're wannabes and frauds, and you need to quit while you're ahead.
if the Catholic Church is not the true Church, then Jesus Christ lied.
What is going on in the Vatican is as bad or worse than what's going on in Anglican churches. Tranny priests are bad, yes, but popes covering up child rape epidemics are also pretty bad. Both of those 'apostolic' churches are in a terrible state. Why would anyone want to join an 'apostolic' church when their fruits are so bad? The sure light of scripture is a much better safeguard against such wickedness and error.
There's no point joining any church that denies the real presence of Christ in the eucharist. You might as well join a Bible study club because that's all a Protestant service is in the end, just a guy (usually not even college educated) cherry picking some Bible verses and trying to tie them into whatever the hot button issue is at the time. A valid Christian church requires liturgy, and reverence for the presence of Christ.
source?
Our Lord Jesus Christ never mentioned the Catholic Church as we know it now. The only Church mentioned in scripture is what is known as the Orthodox Church.
The Orthodox Church doesn't have the successor of St Peter, the rock on which Christs church was built so try again.
Are you being completely ignorant on purpose?
Bible never mentions Peter in Rome, or Peter as head of the Church. Nor does it mention anything about Peter's succesor leading the Church. All those speculative details would be with the Church Fathers. There is no Biblical support for Rome whatsoever.
American Protestant Pastors are not required to go to seminary. Anyone can start their own Church, there are no legal requirements to have any education to be a Pastor.
Peter says he's in Rome in 1 Peter. He refers to it as "Babylon". If you deny that then you also deny that Rome is the "Babylon" referred to in Revelation. Quite the dilemma for Protestants.
Antioch and Alexandria
That wasn't their position before they became schismatics
I'm sorry, which direction did excommunication come from first? So if one guy storms out of a disagreement and flips off his buddies, it was his buddies that left because they flipped him off back. Is that how Latin logic works?
Apostolic succession requires a steady line of validly consecrated priests and bishops.
They lost that pretty quickly because of heresies and adaptations to these consecrations.
By the Anglican definition even Lutherans are apostolic, but in fact none are except the Roman Catholics, the Eastern Orthodox and the Orientals.
That's also the reason why Anglican priests/bishops who convert need to either get a new, valid consecration or stop being a priest/bishop.
The unbroken heir to Alexandria left over Chalcedon and is now the Coptic pope. The unbroken lawful heir to Antioch is now in communion with Rome as the Melkite Patriarch.
But this person claimed they are 'usually not' college-educated, without evidence.
By Lutheran definition the Lutherans are apostolic. I'd say the Catholics are just a tad biased about this.
For some reason the Catholics don't claim that the Orthodox have no valid apostolic succession because of rejecting the pope's word on filioque. It would be the same principle.
Lutherans have never been Apostolic. They gave up Apostolic Succession when they fell into heresy.