Is God a mathematician? Mathematics explains the laws of creation...

Well, if you need to get somewhere in a hurry, or you feel driven to build a magnificent church…knowing math and the physics that spring from it is quite handy and important.

Also, while it doesn't have any answers for morality, it can be used to guess how a crowd or a person will behave in a given situation, aka the processing of behavioral metadata (and the more you give, the better the answer you'll get). So it can inform instances where a person is more likely to sin, and you could then craft a response over that information. Although, that's not much different than what intelligence agencies do (except they confine themselves only to secular matters), so that does raise the spectre of the moral use of such a thing.

1. Is God a Mathematician?
This question is category error. It places mathematics distinct and precedent to God.
You might as well ask "Is God a theologian?"

2. Mathematics explains the laws of creation.
Mathematics approximates the laws of creation as we've best seen, measured, and reckoned them in our small sphere of existence. That which we can fit through the electromagnetic force through which all sense data enters the mind.

"We don't know one millionth of one percent of anything" ~ Thomas Edison

3. The universe is best explained through the mathematical models of either relativity or quantum mechanics (neither have been reconciled yet as far as I understand)

The physical laws probably. Stuff like how the Earth goes around the Sun (stress-energy tensor, law of least action, Hilbert Lagrangian), how water flows in a pipe (Bernoulli's laws, partial differential equations), how metal bends and breaks (Cauchy stress tensor, yield criteria), or why gravity is so weak (Lie algebras/E8 string theory)

But the unsolved questions, and probably unsolvable questions, are metaphysical and philosophical.
Examples of these questions are like:
- Why does time move forward? (or why do we think that anyway?)
- What is causality? Does it exist?
- Why do the physical constants have the values they do?
- The whole thing of epistemology, ontology, philosophy of science and knowledge
I'm not intelligent or creative enough to understand or grok any of this metaphysical stuff. I'll stick with my numbers and diagrams. >tfw autistic

And the fact that you bring up the fact that Quantum Field Theory (which has been reconciled with special relativity) hasn't been reconciled with General Relativity shows that these are just theories (not in the sense of American 20th century protestants saying "Evolution is just a theory", speaking of which, we know so little about evolutionary historiography…), not the truth. We asymptotically approach the "Truth" but we will never reach it, because that is divine. It's beyond us, categorically.

A danger that we now have as Christianity is ripped out of society and people's lives, is they turn not only into heathen debauchery and worship of flesh (cold), or new age pagans/personal philosophy (warmer!), but into neo-Pythagoreans!

Pythagoras wanted to hold everything in his tidy neat little mathematical boxes. Arrogant. Same thing with your average Redditor. They'll take out Logos and replace with the Standard Model Lagrangian, 26-dimensional Calabi-Yau manifolds, adinkraic symbols, or the newest and shiniest (and unfalsifiable) mathematical tool.

4. Why doesn't God reveal the laws of the universe to us then?

Now, I can't answer that question. I don't even know why I'm not unqualified to not answer that question haha. Perhaps you need to ask God. Or just a philosopher.

I'm mostly pulling this out of my behind. So don't take what I'm about to say seriously. Let's say there is some perfect Grand Theory that perfectly predicts everything. Ignore the problem of weak measurement and hidden variables, etc. Isn't that becoming like God? Isn't that Babel? Isn't that Eden? Why doesn't God give us the apple?
Furthermore, all our theories are like poor copies of paintings. Only one can truly make the original.
I would imagine if he did truly reveal the laws of the universe, that it would be completely beyond us.
Like trying to explain our theories to ants. A fish never thinks about the ocean. Or maybe it'd be like looking at the face of God.

This tbh.
Saying is God is an X means that God is subordinate or elementary to X. Which contradicts God as Ω. Contradiction. The question doesn't make sense. Mu. (Pardon my zen)


If you're talking about this ugliness (pic), that's our fault. God is perfect. Identity. Drink some cold water.


You have the right intent, but make sure not to subordinate God to the type of Mathematician.


You need to think of it less like one before the other but one as within and same. Imagine a light wave. It has component E (electric) and B (magnetic), orthogonal to one another. Imagine some analogue of this wave existing in some infinite dimensions. You have components F_0, F_1, … to F_a. They are all orthogonal to one another. However, they are all intimately symmetrical as they cannot be split apart from each other (In EM, one generates the other and back). Letters out of word are not still of the word. Try to imagine a clap with only one hand.
In maths, one is what one does is what one has. This might sound Humean but bear with me here. So you can't speak chronologically analogy, because chronological didn't exist. It was all one Everything or something.
I don't know. Any Thomist can tell me what I'm trying to get at in proper words? :P


Maybe this? :<


Rude. Also not an argument.

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math has some pragmatic uses, like bodybuilding and weight training. But it is not something existentially or spiritually interesting or useful. It should be treated with neutrality, like cooking recipes, useful, in their own contexts. That's about it.

lmao

Fair enough, but how I think what OP is trying to get at is predictive value. As in, can we use the Bible to build a bridge, design a microchip, or get to Jupiter. If you want to really force it, then you might become an unhinged numerologist/occult type like the Kabbalists.


Ouch. But it's right.
Don't know if this is nominalist, but whether things exist come through our own mind, how we divide about sense and semantic space. Physics is natural philosophy. Math is purely philosophical. Physics tells you why an apple falls, but not why it tastes good.


I'd also like more discussions on techno-ethics in the Church. I'm very, very committed to the free software movement and free information etc, and against intellectual property and surveillance. But this is mostly because I haven't heard any pronouncement on it. If I'm wrong, then I'll guess I have to change.

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You're in a whole different realm man.

There is actually a debate in math if it's invented or discovered, and similar other really philosophical issues that result in semi-theological awe and mindscrews, if you really think about them.

Listen to 2 mins of this:
youtu.be/SrU9YDoXE88?t=12m16s

Actually, we have some tools to partially predict that.
Game theory, haldanic kin selection, stuff like that.
Of course, that is just one factor.
It doesn't devolve into Sam Harris tier "science answers moral questions. Also, CAT pleasure scanners"

I'm flattered, or embarassed. Can't tell if you're trying to complement me or push me aside haha
I'm sure there are some good well-read people on this board in philosophy and so on. We need them. especially as the caliber of posts and threads continue to drop.


When I think about mathematics, sometimes I do feel in the process something value-unneutral or "existentially or spiritually interesting" like underwrites but something.

Vsauce is the granola bars of science.
Math is pretty invented, along with its logical foundations. The ZF axioms we use are arbitrary. But I think it's neither invented nor discovered. I think mathematics is grown, like a plant from a seed of first principles.


Selection by meme and gene, individual and group, human biodiversity, and generative anthropology (i think thats the word) are all things Im piqued interest in.

God's a poet.