Athiests

was debating some atheists on /gif/ on 4chan and they don't listen. they ruined a good thread with an OP with 5 sevens at the end.
How do you debate with these people. I provide sources but they ignore it. what do?

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Don't waste your time babbling with people who don't want to be saved.

This, ignore and move on

Isn't /gif/ a porn board? What are you even doing there?
Yes, the Lord hung out with prostitutes and sinners, but how do you reach to people who are gathered in one place for the simple reason that they are horny and want to jerk off? Maybe you can call Christians there to repentance, but I don't see what could be done about the atheists there. In fact, you're driving them to blaspheme the name of the Lord, by pushing "Jesus stuff" on them when they just want to look at, and do, extremely immoral things.

Made me lol

Why is a board called /gif/ a porn board? From its name I supposed that it would be about…well … GIFs.

Adult gifs

…oh

Can't tell if this guy is 12 or 82. Bless you.

because clips from porn used to be shared as gifs. Now it's mostly webms. There's also an sfw gif board somewhere.

OP should evangelize on /b/, /v/, /g/, and Zig Forums

there's /gif/ and /wsg/ (work safe gif)

Two years ago I tried debating atheists on chans by larping as a young earth creationist attacking big bang and evolution to see how well they defend it. To make it a believable larp, I acquired a study Bible, did my Genesis homework and watched some third party material on YouTube, just for fun.
The larp didn't last long. Suddenly God revealed His presence, turned me into a Christian and sh*t got real.

Nah, screw that.
That place is a dumpster fire.
Listen, there are a gazillion boards with which we have things to bond in common in order to evangelise them.
From the scholarly spirit and respect of /tg/, to Zig Forums's more rural, down to earth traditionalism, even rescuing some /r9k/ers from their despair and social alienation, etc.
Even that more anarcho-socialist spin-off of Zig Forums could be opened up to Christ, if you know some history and are smart on how you aproach them.

How about we mix things up, instead of failing, again, and then crying over here that the jews turned Zig Forums into a bunch of meanies, again, or whatever.

You did well, 'twas a good thread. Outreach done right.

How should I go about trying to evangelize other boards anyway?

This

Besides, too many schizos, occultists, and literal satanists browse Zig Forums. We would probably have a better time evangelizing /fascist/ or /liberty/ than Zig Forums. But if we are being realistic, we need to sort out all the bible-idolaters that troll this board first. Once we are actually unified under the banner of God we will have the charisma to actually evangelize for Christ. Until than, we look like a hot mess.

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Most are probably pagans. it's almost impossible to convert pagans
there are a good amount of Christians on there already.

retards

I wouldn't say so. Christianity converted Pagan rome. LARPagans are a whole different breed of pagan imo. Like most idol worshipers, they will abandon them in time. It just requires a special type of person that knows them to do so.

An ex-pagan who knows all their talking points

Provide credible sources.

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that is what I was doing. I made a Christian thread to let fellow anons stop what they are doing and repent. managed to save some from giving in to lust

Jesus went to hell to save the sinners. the least i could do is to convince some anons to repent

you were there did you post or…?

bless you user

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Isn't that a porn board? What exactly were you expecting?

I saved some anons from giving in to lust. it was worth it : D

Well done, but be careful! Better not go there if you could end up stumbling into sin.

Ugh, that came out wrong…just be careful when you try to preach Him in those places, ‘Kay?

yes user : )

*pats user on the shoulder * Good! :)

Don't cast your pearls before swine. I say simple corrections are find, but pick your battles, there are people who will just move one goal post to another. If someone gives you some starwman bullshit then simply call them out on it. Try to have a discussion instead of a pissing contest, if the other person is just trying to piss, then say what you want to say and leave, but you want to talk to people who are worth talking to, not people who just trying to destroy you personally.

If you KNOW you're right and you correct someone and they ignore it, they look bad, but like i said choose your battles.

I would suggest reading logicallyfallacious.com all the fallacies.

Don't go to 4chan, they archive and sell your personal information, and don't get into religious debates on /gif/, there's a time and a place for everything.

most of us are already christian

Haha you guys suck at subversion.

ProTip: you subvert people by not challenging their beliefs but steadily introducing them to and making them believe every single doctrine you want them to, then one day, you just reveal to them that they have become effectively an x in all but name, and the final step is they realize the new label fits them better.

So just introduce people to the trinity, original sin, salvation, the attributes of god, etc. in a way that they can handle it … often neoplatonism can be a good tool … and then one day when you've effectively turned them into a Christian, reveal what you've done to them.

When at last they accept they are a Christian too, they will think "I was always one all along" or "I was always moving in that direction, everything in my life brought me here". They wouldn't be completely wrong.

For me the frustrating thing is certain people who I can't subvert at all because they are fundamentally so degenerate that no matter how I package things to them, there is no way to change their attitude and beliefs. These are rare exceptions though. Most people I can change their worldview.

So learn it from me, the ultimate subversive, you just need to work on people one idea at a time, and with the opportunities you got. Eventually you'll achieve the end game; the way, the truth, and the life.

their labels* I mean

oh really? *____*

Thats good to hear
Have a Mosley

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I've decided to have at least 1 christian thread on /gif/ to help fellow anons stay on the path. Its working wonders : D

I frequent at Zig Forums and it is a christian board, of course there are others that are still confused and are too attached to their ancient pagan religions like the druid threads and some doubt God and Christianity and remain atheists or agnostics, but it is a Christian board I assure you. A lot of shills (jewish, atheist, pagan, leftists, etc.) are attacking those with Christian opinions, and the memes that these heathens and heretics post make my winnie the pooh blood boil. (like that wojak meme with the head of Christ attached to his head like He's a tumor or something, with the caption "Inoperable." If it wasn't a sin to exercise the fullest extent of my freedom, I would have killed one of these heathens.

In my opinion the boards Zig Forums, Zig Forums, Zig Forums, /v/, and /r9k/ (maybe /b/ too) should be allies and unite under one Ideology and that is the Christian one, the Catholic one, and defend Christianity against these heathens and heretics.

Also leftist or liberals at Zig Forums have been trying to weaken the communication and connection of these boards from each other, especially from Zig Forums, so that they could alienate the patrons of each board and convert them into their socialist, communist or whatever leftist ideology that attacks the teachings of the Holy Church.

People at Zig Forums are heathens and heretics, they worship people not God.

Sorry, by the way, for typing the f word. It was my very first comment on this board and I didn't know that it was against the rules to use curse words.

This should be a banner.


Hahahah, no. You're a Mary worshipper, or should I say "venerator"?

How do I respond to people claiming that God in the OT is evil?

Ask them what evil is, first.

I don't think that would help considering I'm not even sure what evil is. I'm relatively new to the faith but a lot of OT stuff seems harsh.

Go home, bible-idolater.

There is nothing evil about putting unjust men to justice.
They deserved it. Not just because they did buttstuff. They also did buttstuff to kids and anything that moved. In the story in Genesis, a literal sodomite rape mob comes to gang rape the two angels that came for Lot. Not evem mentioning the rampent drug abuse that came with idolatry. If God was unjust, He would have never obliterated Sodom and Gomorrha.
The Canaanites routinely threw their babies in a cow shaped furnace as a sacrifice to their idols. It's literal infanticide, they deserved worse.
He not only enslaved Israel, he was also a very cruel ruler. He would force Israeli families to cast their sons into the Nile River as a form of genocide. He was asked nicely multiple times to stop and let Israel go, but he wouldn't listen. Even after all the miracles Moses did in front of him, Pharoah only harden his heart. He deserved to drown in the sea.

Everything God does, He does for a reason. He is the eternal God of, not only love, but Justice.

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We have more in common with pol than any other board.

lel what do you even hope to accomplish by spilling your brother's blood?

I do agree we share much more in common with /pop/ than any other board; hence why they usually not become Christian anons.
They think the end goal is merely the cult of blood and ancestors too often. I am sure there are earnest Christians in there, but the faux pagans in there will always say we are but a tool of the Jews.

The only thing we have "in common" with Zig Forums is hating liberal bs.
Im sorry, but that doesnt make them le greatest ally and peas in the pod.

Your explanatin of Sodom and Gomorrah and the Cananites is fine.


Yeah, GOD made him harden his heart, this is explicitly stated each time before Mose appears to petition him, it's not like he had choice. It was neccessary so that the Egyptians would learn to fear the Lord but omitting key details like this makes you look like hypocrite and fool.

HAHAHAHA
Mate, you've been pulling the "Zig Forums is a christian board on the cusp of a spiritual revival, believe me, guys!" for effing YEARS now.
Just stop and quit defending your nazi buddies, just because you both hate black people.

There are infinetly better communities to get spiritual fruit from, instead of that place, that's filled with everything from pagans, occultists, fedoras, heretics and outright satanists(via Order of Nine Angels) and even you admit is spiritually damaging you and making you sin.

The far-right has always been filled with those fringe lunatics, due to it's nature.
Stop pretending it was a wholesome ecumene before, that somehow got filled with literal devil worshippers out of the blue, that confused the pure, spiritually innocent skinheads and made them do bad things.


Thanks for proving my point below EXACTLY.
How could Zig Forums, of all places, do something bad, be obnoxious, or make stupid decisions?

No, it must have been the jews, or the communist Zig Forums infiltrators, doing psyops upon the saintly genius Zig Forumsyps, surely.

It's not like a heterogenous mixture of naturally factious far-righters and fringe believers could EVER butt heads or have wildly different opinions or hate us for a billion dumb reasons.

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Name one bad thing Zig Forums has ever done.

Exodus
{7:11} And Pharao called the wise men and the magicians; and they also by Egyptian enchantments and certain secrets, did in like manner.
{7:12} And they every one cast down their rods, and they were turned into serpents: but Aaron's rod devoured their rods.
{7:13} And Pharao's heart was hardened, and he did not hearken to them, as the Lord had commanded.
{7:14} And the Lord said to Moses: Pharao's heart is hardened, he will not let the people go.
{8:15} And Pharao seeing that rest was given, hardened his own heart, and did not hear them, as the Lord had commanded.
{8:31} And he did according to his word: and he took away the flies from Pharao, and from his servants, and from his people: there was not left so much as one.
{8:32} And Pharao's heart was hardened, so that neither this time would he let the people go.
Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted with evil and he himself tempts no one; but each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin; and sin when it is full-grown brings forth death. (James 1:13-15).

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Exodus 4:21: The Lord said to Moses, “When you return to Egypt, see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders I have given you the power to do. But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go.

You're a dishonest cherrypicker, looking for passages that affirm your belief and shun those that don't. You truly the lowest of the low.

Hilarious

Again, Pharao did it to himself. Much like wet clay going up agianst fire, Pharao's heart naturally hardens in the presence of God's eternal divine fire because Pharao came to believe that he himself was a god. Your one out of context quote doesn't make God evil. It flys in the face of everything else God does in the OT and NT. All he had to do was listen, but he didn't.

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It's the most important quote because it's at the start of the events that now unfold. Continuing on from this God hardens Pharaos heart, he has no choice in the matter.

You don't like that that fact and I'm not posting here to change your mind, it's for the benefit of people who haven't read the entire thing.

Athezits are gay.

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why?

I don't think you visit Zig Forums that often with that reply.

Typical protestant

Checked

Christian conversion of pagans made England, with strength and resolve all pagans can be brought to god

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Which stuff on YouTube? I'm Christian but it's hard for me to pick up young earth creationism still. I know God created us all, in cool with creationism, but it's the young earth part that stumps me.

Evil is the absence of good, just as darkness is the absence of light. Because God is the only absolute good in the universe, evil is therefore a departure from God in some way or another. The OT can seem really harsh, but you have to remember that God knows all, and He knows what's best. He has a plan, and all things have their place in it.
See for some examples of how God is just.

You do realise all of Europe was Pagan at one point right?