I cannot stand the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom

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Bingo.

I mean, it IS in English, yes, I know what they say and what they mean.

Well, thats literally what it feels like. If that feels like a shitpost then….dunno what to say.

I see. The church I go to doesn't say the Liturgy in English, so I can't tell you much about it. But then the issue is with the quality of the translation, not the Liturgy itself, no? Although I guess it's problematic if the anaphora is not properly translated. This might be a bit much to ask, but do you remember an example of a sentence that came off "wrong" during the anaphora?

Do you understand the structure, however? Although it's the same as a Catholic Mass so I guess you do, but actually understanding what's going on and why it's happening that way can be a big help if you don't already know.

Actually saying what it is you're complaining about would be helpful, for one.

That aside… Do you have an example of a Christian service (whether Catholic or Protestant) that comes off well in English? The churches I went to while I was in the US used either Greek or Arabic, and I don't remember having an issue with their liturgies. I did go to a Western Rite liturgy once, but I honestly didn't pay attention (hearing an electric piano used as a wannabe organ throughout the liturgy probably messed with me…).

That's because you haven't been looking hard enough

fortune.com/2018/12/21/pope-catholic-church-sex-abuse/

chicagocatholic.com/vatican/-/article/2019/04/24/pope-francis-to-restructure-roman-curia-with-major-office-for-evangelization

churchmilitant.com/news/article/only-the-u.s.-fed-can-clean-up-the-church

theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/02/gay-people-should-not-join-catholic-clergy-pope-francis-says

numbersusa.com/news/cardinal-robert-sarah-mass-migration-new-form-slavery

There's one thing you have to remember, friend. It's been over 100 years since Fatima. The devil's permitted time is up. There will be a cleansing of Holy Mother Church you just have to have faith.

And I was talking about Jesus' church not The Divine Liturgy of st. John chrysostom

You guys are too hard on the music ministries. Parishes make due with what they got. If you care that much try donating your time or money and improving it yourself. The choirs too.

Brother, if you're going to a church because the romists aren't doing so hot and not because of the theological differences reevaluate your decision. The liturgy is a bit clunky, yeah, but as said the parish choir will be indicative of the quality of the liturgy, and often times those people have jobs outside of the church, especially in a small parish.

It is a shame that the Western rite isn't getting more attention, but it has its liturgical faults too (st. Tihkon's liturgy being ripped from the Anglicans, the authenticity of the liturgies, etc.).

So we should ignore Novus Ordo, the lies of Vatican I and II, the Filioque, absolute divine simplicity, the corruption, the sex abuse… because strange unconfirmed apparitions in Russia 100 years ago indicate… something about Mary.

K just wanted to clarify that.

I guess we have to start somewhere bringing the faith for the first 1000 years back to the West.

There is no Marian Apparition that happened in Russia 100 years ago. Why would she go there? There was a Bolshevik Revolution going on.
Do you even know where Fatima is?

Unless you're talking about our lady of Kazan? The same Marian Apparition that affirmed what was said in Fatima?
catholicnewsagency.com/news/our-lady-of-kazan-and-marys-affinity-for-russia-64919

And don't twist my words. When Our Lady of Fatima was talking about the 100 years of satan trying to destroy the church, she was referencing the errors of Russia (aka communism).

This thread is what's cringe. OP, go through this series and come back to us later, because you seem to have some serious misunderstandings about the point of the liturgy:
ancientfaith.com/podcasts/spiritandtruth

I'm half convinced this is bait.
Listen to be as sure as one can be in their faith and only attend if you yourself are convinced it is Christ's Church, you sound like an absolute larper for now, complaining about the slightest thing not being as beautiful, perfect and personally tailored to themselves as the rest, if you look at everything so materialistically you will never truly join a parish become a consistent practitioner of the faith.

When Christianity was in it's infancy people were actively persecuted, had to have their gatherings be hidden in barely lit small, unliveable cold houses during sleeping hours, and if they were caught they were tortured and/or executed in ways unimagineable to us, and you're here complaining about something as superficial and meaningless as your first few liturgies feeling "awkward" and "cringe", what a luxury.
Get a solid footing in the Church, have your personal convictions about the Church and the faith almost absolute first before even approachhing a liturgy I say, be sure to receive catechism, if your only reasons for converting is Rome's current state being not very pleasing to look at you have a long way to go, but you should definitely start walking the road, I don't mean to insult I mean this sincerely and for your own good.

t. Orthodox inquirer user

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The uniate liturgies are the same.

The Liturgy is beautiful and sounds like heaven. You can count on it.

But I do think Orthodox in the West need to stop foisting old world traditions on to people. Just that this isn't one of them. I think there's an old saying "Don't bring your prayer rule to another monastery", but Orthodox have stopped listening to their own proverbs. Some confuse their own localized traditions with canonical teaching, and it's only going to cause resentment (or at best, accusations that converts are LARPers and not acclimatizing to orthodoxy in a natural way).

This. Especially with a good choir, it can bring me to tears.

And yes, there is a noticeable lack of charity, among convert and cradle churches alike. It does turn new people and people without thick skin (which is the majority of people) away. I don't know what can be done to discontinue this habit, but we should take care to be charitable while not conceding any doctrine of the faith.

I attend a Ukrainian Uniate Divine Liturgy here in Brazil, we all pray in ukrainian, if you aren't born in an slavic ethinic community is not the Church's problem, go for Latin Mass instead.

It is an ethnic club dude lmao go to the OCA if you want an American liturgy.

TRUST THE PLAN

True, it'll be rough but monasticism is healthy here in the US for western rite. I have high hopes. I was just illustrating that it wasn't perfect and will need some work to get on the same level as the eastern rite (in my opinion).

Amen, 100% faith in the promise of Christ. For He will come to save His bride from the evils of satan.

Not that user, but this is interesting. How does this tie into Pope Leo XIII's vision about Satan being given total power over the world to destroy the Church in 100 years?

I hate to break it to you but the Orthodox Church is growing in America while the contemporary churches are shrinking, just because you have difficulty paying attention during liturgy and don't particularly enjoy traditional music doesn't mean it is going to fail here.

High churches in general are growing. Latin Mass Catholic Churches seem to be exploding in popularity. And, Evangelicalism has become stagnant, which is a break of the trend that has been going since the 1960's.

That's because literally anything looks good compared to the winnie the pooh Novus Ordo lol.

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I agree, Novus Ordo Mass bad

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NOrmies can't meme.

And neither can (you)

Shoo shoo NOrmie.

Shoo shoo Protestant

I'm so Protestant, I have a giant statue of Martin Luther in my house.

Oh wait, that's Pope Francis lmao.