HELL

if your issue really is with knowing whether or not it is true, I can give you all the public evidence that God exists, and Christianity is true you want. youtube.com/watch?v=A0iDNLxmWVM This one is always a good start.

But what you said doesn't seem to be a problem of truth, but a problem of God. Understand, God is the God, not you, he knows every suffering he has allowed to come your way, and allowed it anyways. Why do you think he did that? I'll tell you why, it is for your benefit. There is no truth without suffering, and it is by suffering that we come to learn the truth. Why do you think it is after natural disasters, in darkened times, and in the poor we see all the more [!] people converting to Christianity? It is because they have suffered, and for it, they came to see the truth. Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are they who mourn, for they shall be comforted. Whatever evil you think God caused, know he died crucified with his hands nailed to a cross, beat and tortured. If you wished death on him, he has already died, and he died for you.

Repent, and I mean it, actually repent because whether you understand it right now or not, God truly does deserve an apology from you for your failures, hypocrisies, and crookedness. Repent, and try not to fail. Seek and you will find, I did. I found both public intellectual evidence, and eventually private confirmation.

if you can just prove it as scientific fact then it isn't a matter of faith. and it privileges me over those who must have faith and believe without evidence. i sincerely don't dislike or hate god. further more how is hell justified. especially considering he made me this way.

lmao, just looks at people like you, spitting on God even though he has given you the gospel, the Scripture, the prophets, the Church, a promise of eternal life and died for your sins. No matter what God does you will be ungrateful, and you will suffer the consequences of your willingly accepted ungratitude.

The people you know, you, and me, will get the consequences of our choices. Maybe you should think twice before spitting on God by saying he just isn't there because you aren't given your demands when you throw a coin in the God wishing well.

And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye search for me with all your heart.
Jeremiah 29:13

You haven't found God because you're still holding things against Him, blaming Him for your troubles. Seek the true God, with all of your heart, and you will find Him.

why does it always come back to this. i don't understand so i am an evil reprobate spitting on god. aren't you supposed to have compassion and help me. i am sincerely and honestly afraid and don't understand how eternal punishment can be justified. as to your argument about the scripture, the prophets, the church and the promise of eternal life, i wasn't raised with these things and have no knowledge of the matters. i have been seeking for years now but can't understand. i have made several threads asking for help and every single thread devolves into telling me how reprobate and terrible i am, and that i should just give up trying to seek salavation and understand and just go to hell. NO ONE HERE SEEMS TO CARE ABOUT THE SALVATION OF SOULS AND INSTEAD IS CONTENT TO WATCH EVERYONE GO TO HELL AND LAUGH AT THESE PEOPLE EVEN WHEN THE ACTIVELY SOUGHT! HELP

All those things are available to you. You have the Bible, the Fathers of the Church, the saints.

Instead of writting in caps about how much help you need, just stop being a retard that spits on God because the fact that God is just triggers you.

Eternal punishment is justified because people like you are given everything they need and still willingly decide to trash it, because you want people to tell you that literally no matter what you do, you will eventually end up with a nice parcel in Heaven, so you can forget about God and Christ and not worry about those silly things.

Hell exists for you, for me, and for everyone else. Don't scream at us when it is you that doesnt seem to care about your salvation, because you consider it "incompatible" with your unjust image of God. No matter what we say, no matter what we tell you, you don't ahve the slight wisdom that is needed to acknowledge that Hell exists because people willingly go to it despite being offered salvation.

Also, you are insane and making up retarded stories about what people tell you. You are a shameless slanderer, you have no interest in what anyone says. You just dismiss anything you dont want to hear. People offer you wisdom, and you reject it, then complaining about how poorly you are treated.

This is your "caring about salvations of souls", telling you that everything you say is right, that Hell doesnt' exist and that you are already saved :), anything short of that is like acid to you.

Firstly, judging by your posts, you need to calm down.

Secondly, also judging by your posts, you need to actually do some basic reading by yourself. You need to learn about what Heaven is, what Hell is, what the soul is, and things like that, since you don't seem to understand these matters at all. Some anons here—and even myself most of the time—are happy to answer questions and teach others ourselves, but I think in your case it would benefit you to do some simple homework. Just go and read the Wikipedia entries—it's better than nothing.

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alright i am sorry. i already said i am pursuing religion and have been going to church. I just don't understand this is all. suppose i were to go to heaven and i look down and see someone in hell, both he and i are sinners but i believed jesus christ was real and died for my sins but he didn't. it is then just that he suffers and i don't, right?

Fine, I'll do your homework for you. Read this: vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a12.htm

You say "he didn't" as if it was some kind of random, arbitrary thing where some people just happen to be lucky and believe.

Both you and him are given grace, that is, something you both don't deserve and is freely given to them. The only thing you have to do to not mes it up is to accept this grace, which will develop faith and works. But some people decide that is not good enough for them, and out of pride and perversion, regarding the faith aspect, they reject Christ. Go ask people why they don't beleive in Christ, and you will see how much perversion, ingratitude and folly starts to come out. After all, what do you expect form people who denounce the Son of God as some kind of farce? They will be held accountable for everything they do and say. If someone received a distorted message that impaired the faith, God will know, but God will also know when people make excuses.

Think of all the times you've lied, acted out of wrath, committed adultery, had idols you held above God.
You're not a good person. There's only one good person, and you're not Him.

i understand i am not a good person, but i am not an infinitely terrible person. i don't understand what the purpose of tormenting me forever is

yes he didn't he had faith in some other religion and thought the same thing would happen to you.

There seems to be a misunderstanding here. The torment isn't something that happens to you, it's something you do to yourself as a byproduct of willingly rejecting God. Think of it like how alcoholism destroys your liver; it wasn't that you were drinking alcohol and then suddenly someone decided to punish you by screwing up your liver, you did that on your own by choosing the short term pleasures of alcohol instead of your long term health.

Read The Great Divorce by C. S. Lewis, and watch vid related.

I don't care that he thinks the same thing will happen to me lmao, just like when I was in college people thought it was me who was wrong in some problems and in the end it was them.

We don't follow Christianity randomly, we can dissect and argument against any religion that opposes Christianity, which is what the first Christians did. That is why there is a huge theological christian tradition of apologetics and constant missions, that just aren't there in other religions, which are more of a LARPing cultural custom

I think your characterization of hell is a bit wonky. There's nothing in scripture that says hell is "the worst torture conceivable", just numerous, varied metaphors for isolation from the kingdom of heaven.

I would meditate on God's justice - not the aspect of God judging everyone for his sins, but the aspect of God judging rightly and fairly. I think we can take seriously scripture's pronouncements that those who are ignorant of the Law will be judged less strictly than those who are hypocrites - who "believe", but don't act like it. How can two people both destined for "hell" be judged with varying severity? That's for God to know, but we can trust his judgment.

On our end, our focus must be on seeking God's kingdom and righteousness first. We are not responsible for saving people. Manipulating as many people as possible into an intellectual assent is not a valid way of witnessing to the gospel.