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Those are kinda self explaining, what is your question now?

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No, that would be a "grave sin against ecumenism." Converting Orthodox Christians is a sin according to Pope Francis.

How do you know muh apparitions are not demonic? Monks will tell you they could be.

Why didn’t the apparition mention the Jews?
jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/Lenins-Jewish-roots-put-on-display-in-Russian-museum
Btw what does “consecrate” even mean in this context?

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like clockwork.
For the 10000000th time, errors of Russia mean the regime, the state of Russia, she doesn't say "the error of russians" or "the russian error". It's very different.
What would be the point? the revolution was already implanted at that point, and RUSSIA was bent on spreading it. She tried to warn them about Russia but nobody listened.

When will this retarded meme end

So, why is the current consecration invalid, somehow?

I think you underestimate them.
The prophesy also doesn’t make sense. Why does the Theotokos appear now? Because the suffering is unique now? Why?

The USSR ended, so I guess those errors of Russia are over.
Does “consecrate” mean convert? Or are we talking about some kind of ecumenism?

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Yea when Satan went to Jesus in the desert he told him to pray the Our Father 5 times a day as well right?
The errors of Russia are well alive in the west, spiritually through the spread of atheism and globalism, and economically through the slavery of the EU.
This is not to mention the remnants of the USSR infiltrating western institutions and subverting everything, including The Church.

It could be demonic in the sense that the apparition is giving you an obscure message to "consecrate" Russia. Only later was it claimed that this apparition was "Mary". There's also the claim that 9/10ths of the world will be wiped out if the "consecration" (again, who knows what that means) doesn't happen. This is millennialist, the idea of a worldly utopian kingdom, paganism. Christ will come again to judge the living and the dead on judgement day, that's the prophesy to put on your hearts friends.
derp
Next you're going to link us that Yuri Bezmenov video, right? The Frankfurt school didn't arrive in the West from Soviet infiltration. No, the American establishment welcomed them in with open arms. Speaking of which, communism originated in Germany (led by (((them))) of course). The cold war is over; American capitalism is just as demonic as the Soviets were.

The Uniates have all been Latinized to an extent, the further away from the Curzon line you get the worse it becomes, but even in Galicia it's noticeable. We see the iconoclasm in the Ultramonatist Church, we see their liturgy is now ugly and deformed. Why would we ever go there?

> Frankfurt school didn't arrive in the West from Soviet infiltration. No, the American establishment welcomed them in with open arms. Speaking of which, communism originated in Germany (led by (((them))) of course). The cold war is over; American capitalism is just as demonic as the Soviets were.
And they are far more destructive imo. Where straight up Marxists and Bolsheviks focused on class issues, Frankfurt focuses on the more vague "oppressor vs oppressed" dichotomy. There's absolutely no end to it. And this is why the West is eating itself at the moment. Constant victimhood grievances, and constant creation of new ideas of victims. You could actually slow Marxism down by focusing on economy and how other systems aid the lower classes just as well. But none of that works anymore. It's all Identity politics now.

So to bring this all back, it strange that there is such dire warning about Russia, when it not only resolved the problem of getting rid of the Marxists, but even that problem isn't as severe as the one that exists now. And to make it more absurd, it originates in the West itself!

People are sadly living in the past if they fear Russia. The demon is right here. And if you don't recognize it and destroy it, it's only going to get worse.

Also, some of the loudest perpetrators of the Frankfurt school are people in the church itself. Both Orthodox or Catholic, sadly. I've seen social justice warrior Orthodox (like the stuff that comes out of Fordham university.. like gender studies in the orthodox church) to all of the demonizing of anyone against illegal immigration (again, it goes back to the oppressor/oppressed dynamic) - the Pope being the main culprit here for Catholics. They're all Marxists, but using this new dialectic that isn't always economics based.

Considering that at the end of the day no one is obliged to believe in the apparition to be in good standing and it has zero bearing on salvation you guys may as well be discussing fan fiction

You are still obligated to believe in the overall message of repentance and prayer as it is central to any healthy christian's faith. Though it baffles me that people are still skeptical of their legitimacy even after the revelations in Guadalupe and Fatima.

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This is now a gay porn thread.

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Have you prayed your rosary today anons?

Shoo shoo heathen.

Shoo shoo bible-idolater, you don't even know greek.

lmao

Lmao

Makes sense why you misinterpreted the bible now.

Pretty hard to misinterpret that verse, it really couldn’t be any clearer. Catholics hate Protestants so much that they literally don’t even believe the Bible is the inspired word of God anymore lmao. Good job, you played yourself.

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It actually really easy to misinterpret the bible, hence why there are 30 thousand different Prot denoms that hold sola scriptura to heart. Your personal interpretation doesn't trump the fact you have no idea what βαττολογέω means or the context Saint Paul was using it in.

Again, this post doesn't say "the bible doesn't matter" the post says you have no idea what you are talking about and are regurgitating the traditions of what men have taught you and not what the Apostles taught you. Yee prideful bible-idolaters have no idea what you people are talking about. Like fools you lead others down a path of self-importance and not down the path of Jesus Christ.

Learn some Greek and Church history.

You want to see βαττολογέω in action? See embed related.
biblehub.com/greek/945.htm

user, your post made me rethink a lot about what my pastors taught me. Thank you for this post.

Okay, there are two meanings for that word.

In one, Paulo would be saying not to stutter during prayers, an assertion in itself silly, since gentiles were not known to simply stutter during prayers.

In another, Paul would be saying not to make vain repetitions like the Pharisees, which makes a lot of sense, since the Gentiles were known to repeat their prayers as if they were "spells" that should be repeated exactly over and over again.

It is better to leave the knowledge of the Bible decentralized than to keep everything only in a denomination that every century changes what it wants to favor its own ideas.

βαττολογέω is an onomatopoeia. It's the greek way of saying "blah blah blah". The heathens would regularly spout nonsense like those in the embed related.

βαττολογέω is an onomatopoeia. It's the greek way of saying "blah blah blah". The heathens would regularly spout nonsense like those in the embed related.

I bet you are also fine with fag enabling and divorce too. You bible-idolaters make me sick. Imagine if Israel was like that in the OT. There woul never have been a kingdom.
God chose Moses to lead Israel for a reason. God didn't just let everyone interpret His word and law willynilly as they saw fit. If you think Jesus made a mistake giving St. Peter the keys to the kingdom than you think God can make mistakes, which is heresy.

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An onomatopoeia… For repetitions!

A lot of assumptions you're doing here.

You speak as if there were no elite with ultimate authority dedicated to interpreting the scriptures in Israel who were condemned by Jesus himself.

Pic related. Don't use the scarecrow fallacy next time, I didn't mention Peter until now.

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>he still thinks his personal interpretation of βαττολογέω is correct
Sad
So much for actually reading the Bible.
Than you are a hypocrite! They are your brother denoms, cut from the same cloth, fruit of the same rotten tree, yet you disown them. You claim to love the decentralized nature of your traditions of man yet you disagree with them when they bastardize God's word. So either there is no correct way to interpret the Bible or there is, which is it?
All therefore whatsoever they (the Pharisees) bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. (Matthew 23:3)
Emphasis mine.

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Never ever.

If I'm a hypocrite, so are you, after all, Protestantism came out of Catholicism, didn't it? Even if it is not, if you do not accept the orthodox doctrines, you are also hypocritical, because they are your brothers, out of the same branch, right? Stop making stupid arguments for once.

Saul was a Pharisee, Paul was a Christian. Do Catholics ever read the Bible in life or do they just listen to what the current priest says in Latin without understanding anything?

Our Father, Who art in Heaven, hallowed be Thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us, and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil. For Thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever and ever.

What on earth does consecrating Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary have to do with the Gospel? What does that even mean?

It was a nice thought when the Bolsheviks took over Russia and the rest of the world wanted it brought back to God.

It's just that the USSR is gone. Now what? Russia is unlikely to fall prey to it again in the foreseeable future. It's actually America people should worry about now.

Based. Pic related

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Either there is no true interpation of the scriputre or there can only be one.
You could argue that it is hidden, but that would go against the Bible.
Martin Luther almost removed Revelation from the Bible as well; where do we get the Bible. Who decided what books are valid or not?

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What if the scripture is truly translated but it's wrong?

Do you really think she's more pleased with the state of Christianity in the Vatican or the West as a whole than with the state of Christianity in Russia? Highly delusional and even just thinking about robbing another house while your own is already burning down with you inside it is laughable.

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No one in this thread is saying a word about Russia being Heaven on Earth or even remotely close to it, you have these "Putinites" living rent free in your head, those people don't even visit this board and are usually Westerners to begin with. Everything listed in those screenshots is completely subjective (zero sources listed, I'm aware of the sources behind those compliants and they are mostly true, but still, none of them were provided with the comment) and can be found in the West to the same or worse extent with additional problems thrown in that are fairly alien to Russia.

Russia has tons of other problems from different sources needing different solutions, but when it comes to practicing Christians and being a Christian in the country it's still better off overall and anyone who has been there for more than a week would probably know that.

This thread should die and serves no purposes beyond the usual squabble and divide which it will certainly achieve so I won't respond beyond this. Choosing between Russia and most Western countries when it comes to practicing the faith and the people who are already there as practicing Christians is like choosing between crap and crap with corn in it, both are ultimately horrible and the only thing we're arguing is which one has less of a smell so we can stick with it, and that's not worth arguing, especially not today but not ever.

The "Mary" that appears in Fatima is the whore of babylon.

Wew prot, that'll make Jesus happy. Repent and apologize before it's too late.

That is no whore, it's a demoness that tempts men.

Was there ever any proof of this supposed miracle of Fatima, or is it just Catholic fabrication?

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Vade retro Satana.

That's not me kissing the satanic book, but your pope.

Even the secular atheistic papers in Portugal were documenting what happened. Detailing everything that happened at Fatima.
nationalpost.com/opinion/father-raymond-j-de-souza-in-a-skeptical-secular-age-fatima-remains-a-miracle

FFS, the kids were kidnapped by the mayor. If it was all just made up why would the mayor himself bother to kidnap the kids?

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The hundreds of eyewitnesses?

300?
No, 70k people witnessed the Fatima miracle. 70k people, including atheists, witnessed God's majesty.

"The miracle of the sun" sounds interesting, but the prophesies were wrong:

I'd like to believe, but it sounds like mass hysteria to me.

It already happened.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Fátima#Consecration_of_Russia

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consecration_of_Russia
>Orthodox Christians and especially members of the Russian Orthodox Church object to the concept of the Consecration of Russia for two reasons: (1) Russia was already Christian at the time of the alleged Fátima apparitions and had a long history of devotion to the Theotokos, and (2) the concept contains what appears to be an implicit proselytism of Russian Orthodox Christians to the Catholic Faith. Orthodox apologists thus tend to understand the phrase "Russia will be converted" as implying conversion from Orthodox Christianity to Roman Catholicism and acceptance of papal infallibility and universal supreme jurisdiction. Catholics respond that the apparitions at Fátima took place after the March 1917 revolution that deposed Tsar Nicholas and the April 16 return to Russia of Lenin. Russia was thus already in the throes of revolution and facing a renewed threat from a Bolshevism particularly hostile to all organized religion when prayers for Russia were first requested in May. The final October miracle occurred just weeks before the Communist Revolution. They argue that this timing suggests that the consecration refers to the threat that Russia faced from atheistic Communism. In 1946 during a gathering of youth at Fátima, Sister Lucia was asked by a young Russian girl (Natacha Derfelden) how the conversion of Russia would come about. However, Sister Lucia stated that the conversion of Russia would come through the Orthodox Church and "the Oriental rite", seemingly meaning the conversion implied reconciliation and reunion between the Russian Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church. Yet, another possibility is that it means a conversion of the heart, which conforms to the theological commentary written by Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (later Pope Benedict XVI) on the Fátima secret.

The only detail that needs to be ironed out now is the actual nature of the consecration, its consequences, and so on. Time will tell, I guess.

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Sound like absolute bullshit and satanic.

Wew prot, surefire way to make Jesus happy is to insult his mother. Good job.

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I've heard people arguing that ww2 had already started in the east

historyguy.com/what_date_did_world_war_two_begin

But it didn't, it wasn't a world war, only Japan and China. It's a world war only when several great powers get involved on either side, which didn't happen before Hitler's invasion of Poland in September 39. The Sino-Japanese War got absorbed into WW2, not the other way around.

Sure it's not heresy as it's not of the faith. But it is a sin against piety to doubt what the church has confirmed to be true

i disagree..if we go by this definition then the spanish civil war could be conisdered the start..either way it's not an issue set in stone: historyguy.com/what_date_did_world_war_two_begin

Nope.

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