Doctor E.Michael Jones' thread

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That's all the videos I have, more than enough to get you introduced to the Doctor I guess.

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Someone should make a "the Virgin Jordan peterson" vs "The Chad E. Michael Jones" meme.

If someone wants to do that meme, they should watch this 9 minutes video about him (couldn't make a mp4, too big)
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Just added some red star to show you the word Logos.

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What is your guys' thoughts on E Michael Jones saying the Earth is the center of the universe in the Owen Benjamin livestream?

"When someone is showing a very deep and visceral hatred of Christianity and of Jesus-Christ on an internet discussion."
Well, it wouldn't surprise me, we have been lied about everything so it wouldn't surprise me that the Earth is indeed at the center and the Bible was right.
This is the passage he talks about it, video related.

Sorry, it was unrelated to the post, I was writing this concerning video related.

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Do you have any thoughts on the Flat Earth theories, or do you agree with what Dr.Jones said on it?

Nope, no special opinions on that sorry, I don't believe in it.

That is what I ahve been saying for some time, but brainlets are unable to understand that centricity in the end has nothing to with with the perception of whatever relative trajectories.

New program here about the latest Synagogue Shooting and (((Dr. Michael Brown)))

Here is the full program with his friend Peter Helland.
Very very good video.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_evil_(cosmology)

Wow, that's pretty cool, I never knew. Do you got any other good sources about this? It's really interesting.

Btw, who gave him a doctorate?

He has absolutely zero academic rigor so certainly some shitty university that gives phds to everybody.

Not to mention that anyone who insists so much about putting "doctor" every time his name is overcompensating for something.

Doesn't mean everything he says is wrong (just anticipating his fanbase's reaction).

According to Metapedia (some Wikipedia shoot-off, so it probably has the deleted Wikipedia article) from Temple University.
In what he's a doctor, not sure.
I take in a humanistic field of some sort.

lmao

So still better than an ivy league phd in gender studies.

Prove it. EMJ is pretty good for providing sources, if you say you merely disagree with his speculation, that's not grounds to accuse him of "zero academic rigor".

what are you talking about ?

He got his Phd in American literature in Temple University and then got fired as a professor in a Catholic University for being against abortion.

Thanks to relativity this position can be maintained even in modern mainstream science. Reddit-tier I-poohing-love-science types like to point out that in relativity, it's perfectly accurate to say that any given celestial body is stationary relative to itself and that all the other bodies are moving relative to it. But when you apply this principle to the Earth they act like you've said something retarded.

I admire him even if I don’t agree with everything he says, but I’m sure it’s like this with everyone else’s opinion. I’m also very glad he does not support violence against the Jews, but wants an “open warfare” on all other levels towards them to rebuke and expose them when they attack Christian values.

I like this guy a lot but I can't agree with the idea that "white people" don't exist because it's not always a category people have identified themselves with. The main reason I think "white people" exist as a category is because that is what the Jews attack the most (a long with Christianity of course), and because it is a category attacked by the Jews with such virulency and rage, I think it merits a fairer look.

And his idea that ethnicity is just about language is dumb, it's not European languages that are under attack by the Jews. It's European people and their "white" phenotype. The Jews don't care about the Swedish language but they want to make Swedish people resemble Brazillians. I might be misrepresenting him here though, I haven't read his books so I am just going off of what I've seen on Youtube.

I probably come across like a Zig Forumstard and white nationalist but I'm not really. I would honestly prefer to live in a multiracial society that was conservative and Christian than a white society that was degenerate and athiest (assuming similar levels of development and wealth etc), but I simply cannot ignore that Jews seem to despise whites on a biological level and E Micheal Jones seems to ignore this.

I don't even care if the white phenotype dies out, really, I mean I sympathise with the general sense of conservatism that would think it a shame, but I'd rather people in the future be Christians than white. But still, this anti-white hatred seems to be an integral part of the puzzle in understanding the Jew.

He attacks white identity because it is propped up as part of the Jewish strategy - to proclaim anyone of a light shade as white, then say Whites are to blame for everything (even though it's difficult to hold the Irish responsible for slavery or the civil war, etc) and then fade into the background as also a White identity when it suits them.

"White" people didn't exist before the mid-20th century, Anglo-Saxons sure as hell didn't consider Italians or Irish as white for example.

OK, then who is white? Poles? Irish? Lithuanians? If they are, are they de-facto responsible for the US legacy of slavery?

you have never opened any of his books

This is blatant false witness. All the references are there in his lengthy books.

To try to assassinate his character based on the false lack of academic rigor is pure malice. Repent and rethink how you view academicism.

This.
Thomas Jefferson didn't consider Swedes(!) white(abstain from immigration jokes, please), IIRC.
The entire white thing is mostly a british-american meme, the classification on who is and isn't white half born out of hating catholic immigrants and foreigners, so EMJ fans defending it is funny, to say the least.

That makes no sense or whatsover, not every whites are slave owners, even in the slavery day, and even white people were slaves for arabs. Historical inaccuracy and stupidity does not mean white people are not white.
Who tell you that? The irish not being white is a jew meme.
European means white, white means european.
Why? It's the same damn whites who freed the slaves, if you want to talk about responsibility, it's the jews and tiggers who sell the tiggers to whites.

This dumbassry is why EMJ is a jew cuck in disguise.

Thomas Jefferson considered them as european, which means white.

White means European…to whom? I’m Italian, and never we called ourselves “white people”; Mediterranean, Italic, part of Europe…never used “white” to describe ourselves or most of Europe. For us, at best, “whites” are the people from Scandinavia and some of Eastern Europe.
I’m in the camp of those who want to drop the term “white”, for it brings animosity and inimical spirit to an ever higher level among us of European stock: we can fight shoulder to shoulder and also know that an Italian is not the same as a Pole and not the same as an Irish, etc…”white” is a term to stir infighting in a new way among us.

To european.

Lying son of a bitch.

White means european, it creates an identity and union for the all european people, instead of D&C bait that says hurr we are all different, we shouldn't band together, muh french vs brit, muh german vs pole in the face of extermination.
And a bantu tigger isn't the same as tulsi tigger, yet they will all team up to beat up whites.

Whites lack that spirit, they divide and divide each other instead of rallying together.

Lying son of you say to someone else. I’m not going to report you this time; In 23 years that I lived in my Country I never met an Italian proudly say “I’m white”; a Veneto would be proud of his/her region, same with an inhabitant of Genoa and so forth. We may say we are not “black” to generalise when people say we are but “Arab/Moor r*pe children “, but never in my life I heard an Italian of any region saying he’s white. And this is my last reply, since we are going off topic.

I think you are lying to me with a straight face and that will be the end of it.

Ask any italian, no matter where he comes (Venice, Genoa, Rome) from and he will identify with white people.

That makes sense to some extent but I think the Jews attack whites to a higher degree than this. They want the white phenotype eradicated world wide.

Europeans have been talking about race and differentiating themselves from Jews, Turks and Africans since the middle ages friend. "White" itself maybe a bit contentious, but overall it is not a bad synonym for European. And Europeans have traditionally shared two things in common - Christianity and a "white" phenotype; the Jews attack both virulently.

Yes, all of them are white.

The problem with E Micheal Jones is that he asserts "white" doesn't exist, then asserts only ethnicity exists and that ethnicity is about langauge and not race. So to him presumably a black guy who speaks perfect Swedish is Swedish. This attitude is really no different from how the Jews want people to think.

I understand that he has a problem with "white" because catholic ethnic neighbourhoods lost their ethnic identities and became "white", but he doesn't really replace it with anything other than the modernist Jewish perspective.

Missed this bit, no, they aren't. The Jews are largely responsible for US slavery.

According to Dr. EMJ, what is the main difference between Logos and anti-Logos?

Logos is the natural order of all things as intended by God; therefore everything that opposed and opposes it is lack of that divinely placed order.

What?
The Logos is Jesus Christ, by Whom all was created.
It's a term that entered Hellenistic Judaism from Greek philosophy, and it's specifically about the divinity of Christ.

You can't morph it into degeneracy vs anti-degeneracy.

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And what is anti-Logos?

A term that has never been uttered in the history of Christendom, until EMJ pulled it out of his ass, by mutilating the idea of the Logos?

Yes, it was appropriated by John to write his gospel but to believe that in Christian thought it only embodies the meaning of Christ as God is absurd.

It's always been about that, and been analyzed from that angle.
You can't decide on your own after 2019 years to turn it into a real life Qun, and then build a small theology out of this novel definition.

good winnie the pooh luck on trying to be saved based on your (((white identity))) politics. you are one step away from becoming a (((pagan))) and worshipping your dead ancestors.

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Cultural appropriation is a made-up crime, you SJW zoomer.

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I'm genuinley sad to see two brothers in Christ with EMJ and Dr Brown devole into this "YOUR ANTISEMETIC WILL YOU RENOUCNE IT" shit. It is the most tired thing in this god-forsaken discourse.

Of course race is irrelevant to being saved. I've already said I would prefer to live around non-white Christians than white athiest liberals. I just recognise that white nationalism (including under that umbrella the nationalism of European ethnicities) is what the Jews hate most of all (a long with Christianity), therefore it shouldn't be dismissed. If the Jews hate white people, does that make white people the racial bearers of logos? I don't believe that, but it's easy to infer that from E Micheal Jones's theory.

All I'm saying is that his theory on the Jews isn't comprehensive enough (at least from what I've heard him talk about, maybe it's in the books) because he ignores the red hot burning hatred that the Jew has for Europeans on a fundamentally racial level. I'm suspicious of people that are aware of the Jewish subversion, yet then turn around and say "race doesn't matter", because it definitely matters to the Jews.

Dr Brown is not christian, he is a jew. He talks about he accepts Christ, but it is clear that what he really cares about is the tribe. The tribe comes first. God is just an addon

Everyone thinks their specific ideology and/or nationality is what the jews hate the most.

That makes ABSOLUTELY no sense, theologically.

No, I don't accept that at all. The Jews hate white people specifically.

I said I don't believe it. I am just trying to use his paradigm to explain the anti-white hatred of the Jews.

You should meet my algerian friend.
He says they blame zionists even for it raising outside, in the Middle East.
Or far-right pagans, that think they jews have subverted da white man's true spirituality with their semitic religions.
Or more conspiratorial black folk, that blame jews(with their right-hand lackey, whitey), for everything from slavery(the jewish slave trade meme started from a NOI book), to drugs epidemics and jail time.

Who is it that jews brag about replacing with sings? What the le ebil supremacy that jews brag about fighting? In what consists the great diversity that the jews bring?

Which part of the planet is constantly wracked by wars, despite being full of resources? Which religion the general public constantly accuses of terrorism?
Upon which societies does the Jew-filled America constantly try to bring degenerate liberal democracy?

Which ethnicity is constantly stereotyped as violent criminals in movies? Who brought crack to the ghetto?
And so and so forth.

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The Jewish conflict with muslims is a whole other thing and is of a more temporary and practical nature than their conflict with Christians. In that, they don't hate them on the same spiritual level, they hate them because they are an inconvenience, in that they happen to be located in and around Palestine. And it certainly doesn't have anything to do with race. The Jews want the phenotype known as "white" gone, they hate it on a physical and biological level.

The Jews have had a really corrosive effect on black people, that's actually true. But it's mostly in the context of them using blacks as a weapon against whites.

But I agree with you to the extent that the Jew is the enemy of mankind not just whites, but they hate whites uniquely, I don't see how you can really deny that if you look at what they've done with regards to demographics in fomerly white countries and how they portray whites in the media, what they teach about us in the education system etc.

There hatred for gentiles is real, but the real genocidal, spiritual and biological hatred they reserve for white Christians.

wew

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The ones that haven't been given priority and subverted

The one created by a theologically illiterate pedophile warlord, and which is responsible for around 99.99999999% of terrorist attacks

To the places which are not already degenerate after being subverted lmao.

Whites, mainly, it is always the evil, racist, intolerant whites who will not embrace the poor oppressed muslims (invited by jews, of course)

And so and so forth.

Thanks for missing the idea completely.

Don't have anything more, sorry.

And black people say the same shit, but in reverse.
How interesting

If they say that, they are wrong. Blacks barely care about Jews and just see them as white anyway, I know a few blacks have spoken about Jews, but it's rare. Just look at black racist channels, they really only hate white people. E Micheal Jones himself acknowledges there is a "black jewish alliance" and says that the Jews have tried to turn blacks into revolutionaires like them, I mostly agree, but part of this is them being used as a weapon against whites as well as western culture.

They aren't trying to wipe out other unique racial phenotypes. Only what is known as white. It's the actual physical appearance of white people that they deplore, that is not the case for any other race.

E Micheal Jones asserts that the main axis around which world history revolves is the Jew vs Christianity (specifically catholicism). But if it were that simple, why would the Jews be flooding a predominantly protestant and irreligious country (USA) with 3rd world catholics (who are much more likely to be devout, too) from south of the border? It's because the conflict has a racial element.

If jews can be atheist they can be christian. They must return to christ and Brown does as good of a job he can tbh

Chaos is a synonym of anti-Logos, just like how Order is a synonym of Logos.

The white identity meme is by far the most deadly ideology the Jews have ever taken advantage of, this thread is proof.

Weird how in 2010 I visited Zig Forums and already felt it was wrong…must have been my good grandmother and her lessons on what makes or breaks a Nationa (unity through faith, language and culture).
I should have been more grateful to her.

Except Logos DOESN'T mean that, in Christian theology.
EMJ redefined it as a real life Qunari "Asit tal-eb" out of his ass.

It'd be like me saying the Hypostatic Union is about caring for the environment, and therefor Exxon Mobile are Nestorians.

The entire sentence falls on it's face, even though it's internally consistent, because i'm defining the first term wrongly.

I said that "Order" is one synonym, not the full definition. Logos is a word which has many meaning, which includes: speech, rationality, reason, discourse, the Order of the Universe, it means God, it means Jesus-Christ (Logos Incarnate).
Logos is a word who has deep Greek origins and it has been baptized in the New Testament.

And it's never been used according to EMJ's definition, in Christianity, or Greek philosophy.

meant for

This guy yelled at me for the same reason… I get his point and admire his fervent spirit, but could use a chill pill.

"For not only among the Greeks did reason (Logos) prevail to condemn these things through Socrates, but also among the Barbarians were they condemned by Reason (or the Word, the Logos) Himself, who took shape, and became man, and was called Jesus Christ; and in obedience to Him, we not only deny that they who did such things as these are gods, but assert that they are wicked and impious demons, whose actions will not bear comparison with those even of men desirous of virtue."

St. Justin Martyr (100 A.D. - 160 A.D.)

"Which things Plato reading, and not accurately understanding, and not apprehending that it was the figure of the cross, but taking it to be a placing crosswise, he said that the power next to the first God was placed crosswise in the universe. And as to his speaking of a third, he did this because he read, as we said above, that which was spoken by Moses, "that the Spirit of God moved over the waters." For he gives the second place to the Logos which is with God, who he said was placed crosswise in the universe; and the third place to the Spirit who was said to be borne upon the water, saying, "And the third around the third."

- St. Justin Martyr (again)

No, looks like EMJ is utilizing it the same way the Early Church did.

Ok, 1 usage of Logos as in common reason, and 2 usages of Logos as in Incarnate God.

Still waiting for your Divine Order meme.

All have been hated in whom the Word has dwelt

And those of the Stoic school — since, so far as their moral teaching went, they were admirable, as were also the poets in some particulars, on account of the seed of reason [the Logos] implanted in every race of men — were, we know, hated and put to death — Heraclitus for instance, and, among those of our own time, Musonius and others. For, as we intimated, the devils have always effected, that all those who anyhow live a reasonable and earnest life, and shun vice, be hated.

- St Justin Martyr - Second Apology

meant for both

"Justin: I shall give you another testimony, my friends, from the Scriptures, that God begot before all creatures a Beginning, [who was] a certain rational power [proceeding] from Himself, who is called by the Holy Spirit, now the Glory of the Lord, now the Son, again Wisdom, again an Angel, then God, and then Lord and Logos; and on another occasion He calls Himself Captain…"

- St. Justin Martyr - Dialogue with Trypho, Chapter 61

Again, in whom the Word(Incarnate God) has dwelt

And poets hated because they had common
reason.
And God begetting the Logos, aka Christ.

Where's the Asit tal-eb, again?

The Asit tal-whuh?

I think you just dislike Jones because he's putting forward a reading that conflicts with your pet idea.

Care to substantiate? St. Thomas Aquinas put forward that God is Being, as a derivation in this sense, I don't believe Jones is really stretching that far by saying being "anti-logos" is implicitly anti-Christ, anti-natural law, and anti-classical theism (of a thomistic bent, sure)

It was a pun on the fact that it sounds Qunari-ish, from Dragon Age.

No, i'm disliking him because he made up a weird definition of Logos being about some sort of godly societal order, when it's never been about that clap.

And your examples substantiate that.
All the quotes either use it as:
a)Logos, as in Christ;
b)Logos, as in human reason;
c)Logos, as in words(aka the stuff i'm typing right now);

No reference to societal order.

It's stretching it.

By the logic, my idea , that hurting the environment is an attack of the Incarnate Word, and hurting the Image of Christ present in everyone that's hurt through pollution, is also roughly true, if you squint a lot.

how in the world did you expect anyone to get that

Are you not familiar with natural law? Logos, as posited by St. Justin Martyr, completely confirms what EMJ is reading into it; that the method St. John uses it is to proclaim that Jesus Christ is the Logos, the Divine personification of human rationality (the very thing "image of God" is said to be by St. Augustine).

When you are anti-Logos, you are thus anti-rationality, and anti-natural law. If your real argument is not understanding natural law, then you are the one not actually familiar with classical Christian theology or philosophy.