Been a Missouri-Synod Lutheran my whole life and i've always disliked the whole dog and pony show of a Sunday service...

Death cult. Look up Jim Jones, the Manson family and Aum Shinrikyo

OP, you could've just said you wanted good public speakers that you can listen to.

Found the pearl-clutching redditor.

This is good stuff user, very engaging and informative. I got him on my watch list now. Catholicism seems to ha e the best for Philosophy and Political aspects of Christianity but for the pure freanzied rebuke of sin and friendly reminder of eternal damnation Babtists like Steven Anderson inspire me.

There is no political aspect of Christianity.

Proverbs 14:31 “Whoever oppresses a poor man insults his Maker, but he who is generous to the needy honors him.
it says a lot about SA and his congregation when they were criticizing the homeless man and telling him to get a job instead of chipping in and helping him get to a shelter. Just very off putting to me and made me stop watching his videos.

Found the bible-idolater

False witness is a mortal sin. Prove it’s a death cult, go ahead.

That's a terrible way to decide doctrine.

Half the reason the planet, business and politics is in this shit is because again and again we think loud, confident people that "say how it is" make for good experts on anything.

For starters I'm not that user who's claiming that it is a death cult, but Mr Pastor Anderson telling people to literally kill themselves instead of repenting to God is a good starting point to the claim that he runs a death cult.

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It's a small group based around a leader figure. They believe that they alone will go to heaven and that their leader can decide who will burn in hell or not (everyone else). Prey on the emotionally vulnerable for members, psychological abuse. Anderson himself is mentally unstable and it shows. His cult will not have a good ending.

Steven Anderson clearly doesn’t believe that a Bible is God. Stop this charade.

The fools are the ones who teach for commandments the doctrines of men. The apostles were all Baptists. It’s the Catholic Church that broke from the church that Jesus founded. Show me where the apostles were crowing images of Mary and kissing the feet of statues of Jesus. It doesn’t exist because they didn’t do it.

How is not giving homeless people money to buy drugs “oppressing” them?

He only tells reprobates like homosexuals, who the Bible says have been given up by God, to kill themselves because they are predators who prey on innocent people and especially children. Once someone becomes a reprobate God gives them over to unnatural lusts and they will never accept the gospel, let alone repent, but they will continue to harm other people. If you disagree with this then please explain why the Bible lists homosexuality in the same breath as bestiality and why homosexuality is punished by death according to God’s commandments, just like murder. Remember that TV isn’t real. The homosexuals on TV aren’t real. Real homosexuals are like Brian Sims or Catholic priests. Child-molesters and animals.

Just because he isn't a liberal or a zionist doesn't make him good.

Tradition is necessary to interpret the Bible because the Bible is itself part of tradition. The church itself literally compiled the Bible. You treat the Bible like how moslems treat the Koran which is alien to Christianity.

If tradition is necessary to interpret the Bible then how come the Bible says we should “search the scriptures daily whether these things be true?” You’re saying that this would actually lead to error. The Bible is highly opposed to man-made traditions being used to decide anything about God. That’s what the Pharisees did they. They worshipped God according to their own traditions but they were hypocrites who didn’t do what God actually said in the scriptures.

The Bible is the word of God written through the inspiration of the Holy Ghost, it isn’t a man-made tradition
As if anyone needs the Catholic Church to tell them which books are supposed to be in the Bible. Anyone filled with the Holy Spirit can tell what is God’s word and what is not.
The Catholic Church only compiled what true Christians already recognized as being the word of God.
It’s actually Catholics who act like muslims by inventing a bunch of extra-Biblical fanfiction to justify whatever they want to do, just like muslims invented their fanfiction, the Koran.

Stop twisting what Anderson said. He said "The Bible *IS* God." But that's stupid and heretical. The Bible isn't God, the Bible is the Bible.

Ok this is just ridiculous. The only reason you would dismiss a version of the bible is if it had more than 66 books, not because of what the Holy Spirit is telling you.

How can you say that the wisdom and writings from the men who were directly taught by Our Lord and was passed down, is fanfiction? The only reason you have a bible is because this group of people decided it to be so. You're throwing the baby out with the bathwater and the price is severe. Come home, brother.

Not a good look.

I don’t think the idea of the Holy Spirit working actively inside believers is ridiculous at all.
Because if they’re not writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit then they can be wrong just like anyone else. Also, most of these “Church Fathers” were not directly taught by Jesus.

This quote does not imply that the Bible is all we need for theology.

There is a difference between man made traditions and sacred Tradition, the Bible does speak about man made traditions and condemn them, but it is not hostile to sacred Tradition itself (of which it is the preeminent part). The church sometimes has to distinguish between man made traditions and sacred Tradition. Moreover, the church was founded by Jesus Christ and is guided by the Holy Spirit. It is not man made, and the Bible derives it's authority from the Church which was founded by God. Tradition is the life of the Holy Spirit within the Church.

“So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.” 2 Thessalonians 2:15

I'm not Catholic. The gospels were at one point passed on orally in the early church, THIS is sacred Tradition, which was later written down and became sacred scripture which was compiled by the church guided by the holy spirit.

Then why was there so much controversy amongst Christian about what is sacred scripture and what is not? It was the church (guided by the Holy Spirit) that discerned.

You treat the Bible like it's a Koran, which to moslims is basically their Jesus. Your iconoclasm is very Islamic too, the first periods of iconoclasm in the Christian world can be traced to Islamic influence.

Says the guy purposefully misquoting Anderson to make him look better.

that's not up to you to judge. If you run a church, and a homeless man is sleeping on your doorsteps at night and your church is all aware of it, maybe that's a sign?
Maybe that's a test?
Say it is a test, say God purposely placed that homeless man to be there, or it's an angel in disguise on a mission.
Say your pastor and entire congregation is being tested to see how they react to this ONE homeless person sleeping on your steps.
and then one day your pastor starts criticizing the homeless man and calling him lazy and to go away and get a job.
If this is a test, do you think your church passed?
Always be aware that you know nothing, and be unassuming.
If this was a test, the Faithful Word Baptist Church surely failed.

1 Corinthians 1:18
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Acts 13:48
And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

Of course, but you can know YOU are, and God knows. The saved believer can have the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

But how does this make anything you say true? I have nothing to do with him and yet I have a big problem with the lies you're telling here. You are subverting the gospel.

What's the problem with saying this?

1 Corinthians 9:22
To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

He's just one guy. But your clear, subversive attack on Scripture isn't going unanswered.

God already decided what it would be in eternity past.
Actually the koran is a manmade invention, as is any kind of "oral" traditions that are authored by men, that God didn't inspire and preserve in uncorrupted form as His word.

So really, all that stuff apart from the inspired word of God is on the same tier with the koran. Including all of whatever other stuff you referred to. And it puts all of you together with them and outside of Scripture.

2 Timothy 3:16-17
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Nope that's not true. God already knew what the Bible was going to say before he inspired it and it's because He is the author that gives it authority. God already brought his word together.
This verse is not referring to a "secret" tradition that was not allowed to be written down. Such a concept is ridiculous.
Because there are always unsaved people who are confused. Even today.
Right, and God is the one who truly authored and compiled it. It is based on God's authority. It isn't based on manmade authority.
Non-argument. I have no idea why you think nobody thought idolatry was a sin until then.

Yes, and the Church was his vessel on earth for compiling it.

By scripture, it means the Old Testament not the New, which hadn't been compiled or even fully written then. There was no agreed upon idea of what was scripiture and what wasn't except the Torah, so does that make pre-Talmudic Judaism the correct religion? No because the OT can only be understood in light of the NT. Also, it says "all" scripture, not "only" scripture.

Yes, and he did so on earth using the church that he founded. The Bible did not fall out of the sky.

It indicates a separation between what was taught by word of mouth and what was taught in the epistles.

Not as ridiculous as a doctrine that is against doctrines. In reality you can't have "scripture alone" because you are taught about the scriptures by someone else (in this case pastor anderson). That's why protestantism has split into a gorrillion different parts, because every single persons interpretation of the Bible becomes a new religion. That's why the "me and my bible" type Christians can either be extreme liberals or extreme conservatives, because each individual interpretation of the Bible outside of the church becomes it's own (man made) tradition.

And without the church Christianity would have completely devolved into heresies like Gnosticism.

And his vehicle was the church that he founded, thus the Bible can't be understood on it's own.

But your idea of idolatry is kinda moslemy and wrong.

The government gives them all money for food and shelter. If they're still living on the street it's because they want to be there.

Even Hitler had a great deal of sympathy for the homeless as he was once a homeless man himself. Really says a lot about Anderson.

Baptists: “Asking Mary to pray for you and looking at a statue to help you focus mentally while you pray is literal idolatry”

Also Baptists: “Stop taking us out of context when we hold up a book and call it God.”

HOT PREACHING!
One of the few if not the only the speaks too the new generation of kids.
Flawed like all men but his knowledge, charisma and work ethic makes up for it.

I watched this once when I was laying down. I can't give any details but i remember thinking it was wrong smd dumb

He's not perfect by any means. Unfortunately when you're fundamental and ExTrEme you get a lot of heretics in the.midst. for example he had a guy named Garret Kirchway or something who was there for 9 years or something like that that was a oneness modalist. He pretended he wasn't for over 9 years or something but he's like super into it. Same with Tyler Baker and Dominique who he ordained the marriage for. Adam fannin was and is a snake. Dirty Donnie Romero…people are flawed of course but man…there's some wicked people out there

Honestly, Steven Anderson's life is like my trash tv show when I need some bibical junk food. Like my soap operas since professional.wrestling sucks nowadays.

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A single service from the Pastor is worth more than an entire year of all the televangelists' pony shows combined.

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Same here lel. Did you hear the rumors about Solomon's engagement getting broken off?

Kek no
Solomon is his son right?
How did you hear about this? I just watch his YouTube videos since he airs nearly everything about his life on there.

What's his kids name that he trains to be a pastor sometimes?

Sam Gipps a fag btw lol

That's unfortunate, I dislike Anderson and his doctrine, but I don't think his children deserve anything bad to happen to them.

They don't. Noone really does. Apparently after googling Steven Anderson's wife had a miscarriage at one point.

Yes, Solomon is his oldest son. Saer's parents apparently made a shocker indie film called "Shit-filled Cupcakes" patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/2019/01/47911/ which some people initially thought was porn. Then people from freejinger started spamming links to it on Zsuzsanna's facebook page, and I think someone claiming to be Saer's aunt also later went on freejinger and posted about the engagement being off and Saer's parents having put their house up for sale. Zsuzsanna also took down the engagement photos she posted and her mothering moments video where she discussed the engagement.

I got so deep into Anderson-ology that I started watching Zsuzsanna's youtube videos and reading the posts about him on r/fundiesnark and similar places, that's where I heard about this.

Yeah I don't really know THAT much about the family too where I'm added on their Facebook or whatever…what's fundieshark? I saw it once when looking at Steven Anderson on Reddit.
You should keep in touch on here so I know whats going on lol…how do you even find out about this stuff lol?
Also, opinions of Tyler Baker?

Scripture means what it means. Don't act slippery with me and redefine words.

Well scripture is the word of God, and saved people will always be able to discern it thanks to the grace of God. See for instance John 8:47 where it says he that is of God heareth God's words, and John 10:4-5 where his sheep are those that hear his voice. Also 1 Thessalonians 2:13, 1 John 5:9-10, Hebrews 4:2, etc. Also pretty much every place where something is stated about those who accept HIS word and who gladly hear it, receive it, and believe it.

Like it says in 1 Corinthians 2:14, the natural man receiveth not the things of God, and in John 8:47 again those that are not of God hear them not.

So this is the defined idea of what Scripture is. It's the word of God. This is found from the witness of the New Testament. No popular opinion polls are required or asked for on this point.

Yes so it refers to ALL of it. Furthermore, 2 Timothy 3:17, the verse you didn't mention, takes the form of a final clause which is also called a purposive clause. This is because it states what the purpose of the subject, namely "all scripture," is. The purpose is that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Now you tell me, if the purpose of God's word is to do something, will it do that thing?

According to John 14:16-17, John 14:26, John 16:13-14, 1 Corinthians 2:13, 1 John 2:27, it's actually the Holy Spirit who personally teaches saved people about the scriptures.
Because they're a state church?
Only if they aren't saved and guided into all truth through Spirit-led study of the word of God.

The church is the safeguard of the word of God, whereas the Holy Spirit is the one who gives all understanding of all things in it.

Like John 14:26 says
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

And in John 16:13-14
'Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.'

so is the Song of Solomon literal?*

*one WEIRD trick to disprove sola scriptura *CLICK HERE*

Sure, the speakers thought they were like those things.

Also you totally missed the point of that. He said the word "scripture" means something else that he tried to define but I'm saying Scripture simply means Scripture. I said when 2 Timothy 3:16 says "all scripture" that is indeed referring to all scripture. So you kinda missed the point of my post and just quoted the first sentence without reading either the post I was responding to or the rest of my post.

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no, but I admit to poking fun at you in error.

but Scripture was not defined nor canonized when St. Paul wrote it, you are merely begging the question…which is -

what is scripture? the deuterocanon is scripture, Martin Luther had no authority to remove it. since we've gone through this dog-and-pony show a million times we already know how this conversation will play out, anyhow.

You missed the point of my post, I explained that. Specifically the part where I defined it using the New Testament.

You know, and I'm just saying this generally, but diving into a conversation without even knowing the content of what you just responded to generally makes you look lazy. Because I just answered this in the post that you had quoted.

A lot of the Old and New Testament contains quotes of people who literally said certain things, but that doesn't guarantee every person who is quoted including people such as Satan, is accurate. Only that it's literally what they said.

A famous example of this is the witch in 1 Samuel 28:13. People sometimes quote this unreliable witness as proof of something whereas Samuel was in heaven not in the earth at the time. The witch was lying.

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Steven Anderson is the quintessential American figure, and I don't mean that as a compliment. He makes me laugh so much because he's funny but also because American Protestants hardly qualify as Christians and it shows.

Pastor Shelley and Pastor Berzins have great sermons.

You're an idiot. He doesn't fit any of the stereotypes of American Protestants. You're likely some queer snob.

Can I get banned from here for agreeing with Anderson that the words of the KJV are deity?

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