What do you think about the shortage of eligible men in the church?

Idk my current church and the last one i was in are filled with young single dudes who want families. Many of them are not social autists but they still can't find women. There aren't enough to go around and the churches end up being disproportionately men. (The churches were catholic and lutheran fwiw)

It's true. There are lots of semi Zig Forums types who long for a traditional life, a wife who is not a harlot, and so on. Encourage them to go trad and they'll find a wife and so on. We need more trad men who want to raise big families. The harvest is ripe.

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Another thread trying to drum up animosity towards women. Can anyone really be surprised that in fallen times like this there is a deficit of virtuous Christian men and women?

I simply do not believe that, I see way more christian men than I do women at my age group (young 20s)

Just get together with trad bros and live monastically, sharing rye bread and water. /comf/
DISDAIN 4 WHORES

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There are many questionable things about Jordan Peterson, but his influence surely is a net positive. People like him are the way many get distanced from socialism and marxist thought. JBP has also manged to get a lot of people to see the Bible at least as a book worth reading and taking seriously.
I'm less familiar with Ben Shapiro's message to really have an opinion about him. It does seem he's a bit full of shit. He resorts to talking quickly to appear intelligent and justify why eating seafood would send him to Hell. It seems he decides his opinion first and rationalizes it afterwards.

Peterson's main problem, in my opinion, is his association with this absolute bullshit that is the "intellectual dark web", a stupid term coined by the "economist" (he calls himself that, but I read some economic papers of him and they were crap) Eric Weinstein. Yes, you guessed it, he's jewish. Basically every "intellectual" that considers himself part of that group is problematic in one way or another. The term may make sense as a phenomenon: true thinkers now exist outside of academia, which has become too stale and too dogmatic. But as a unified group of thinkers? It's pure bs.

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She's 32 years old and thinks she deserves a good 25 year old traditional Catholic man… What kind of "traditional Christian" woman waits until 32 to get married? Just who does she think she is fooling? Classic case of a feminist regretting spending her 20s on the cock carousel and pursuing a career.

i see loads of trad men say that you need a job with a huge salary, so your wife can stay at home to raise the kids, it might work for some, but not everyone can obtain that life
and what of the poor countries with even less work and money, theyre supposed to not have a family?

i dont buy into the idea that we should all be wealthy yet priests always tell us the most wealth you can have is God

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They're talking about someone who isn't an ugly sped.

It's just a coy way of saying she will only marry Chad.

Man, I really want a wife and family. I probably couldn't get one even if I tried though because I'm an overweight NEET. Really, all I want is a family and it's hard to do anything else because I need a job and to get a good job you need to get a trash job. I don't want to stock grocery store shelves, I want a family.

get fit then become an apprentice tradesmen

pic related.

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Ftfy. Men who are short, ugly, fat, have one or more odd features, etc., are invisible to nearly all women their age.
Ignore this, it's just gibberish. It's like men saying they want "a woman who puts effort into her appearance" and really mean "a woman I find sexually attractive".
I'm tall, thin, handsome (or so I'm told), and very awkward/shy around women, and I've had interested women orbit for me for months before giving up and moving on.
…That shouldn't come as a surprise to this woman. The more "worldly" a man is, the more he distances himself from God.
Somehow, I have to doubt this 32 y.o. woman has held her "trad" views for very long and would do a 180 in her belief system if a secular bad boy came along. Women make decisions based on feelings and generally don't know what they want in life.

her first and biggest problem is not dating someone her own age

sorry ladies, but men generally want to date either their own age or lower.

I think these women didnt have a father figurebin their life so they have unrealistic expectations.
Seriously, men are so much better at this. They are willing to go for a 6/10 woman if she is also virtuous and virginal.
A woman wants the full package and the wrapper better look 8+/10.
The solution to their problem is humility. No, you don't deserve 10/10 Chad Chadson with a nice job and a big peen. AND in fact when you settle with 7/10 Hard Workingman who has an okay job and only a moderately muscular body, you got a way better deal than what you deserve,and in fact he is the one settling for a used up woman like you.
My mom is like this too. She really thinks she deserved better than what she got but her behaviour and the way she acted and talked towards my father and all of us convinced me never to marry a woman like her. She is the ultimate red flag for me, even though Im trying my best to love her and forgive her every day.

Let me guess, this thread instantly devolved into accusations of how it's actually the womanfolks fault and "there are no girls on the Internet"

What do you mean?

The author's response to criticism
agonyandhope.com/2019/05/26/to-all-my-critics/

She seems to be complaining that there's a lack of men in church who aren't CWC tier autists. I'm not an Aussie, so I don't know if that's the case or not over there. Can anyone confirm?

I don't buy her explanation. Autists and people with intellectual disabilities aren't that common and are pretty easy to spot. She doesn't explain what does she mean by "plain weirdos", so I assume she really means manlets, fatlards, people with acne/scars, pajeets, and so on.

I don't really blame her for dissing ugly men but it does feel bad being a manlet, bros.

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You seem to be getting hung up on the first bullet and disregarding the next two in "what she did mean". She means precisely what I had meant earlier; ugly speds. I'd imagine single guys who are faithful these days are more likely to be socially awkward and an outsider than to be blessed with social graces. Guys like us tend not to care much about the average persons interests and behaviors, favoring our niche interests and odd humor.

Regardless of that, it strikes me a bit odd to be spouse hunting at church. Seems more opportunistic than genuine.

So CWC tier autists. Got it.

In the eternal words of Ronnie Filyaw: I wish I could find someone who hates me as much as I hate myself.

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If you hate yourself then you hate God for you were made in the image of God. Love yourself and you will love God.

Why love yourself

Re-read what I posted brother and you will get your answer.

if you really want it you will get it. If you hate yourself you're in for a treat, there is a reason why people say God is good, or that the holy spirit will guide you. I (temporarily) live the neet life, but I no longer see it in a bad way like I used to. It's a great way to learn about things.
I suppose it depends on what you wish to do in life - I want to be a Dominican priest, so for me learning is only a good thing, and basically all I need to do - what is wrong with that?

[Exodus 28:3]

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captured by the devil eh?

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I feel like, by this, she means talking about the meaning of the last episode of game of thrones. Its not that I can't hold a conversation, it's just that I've learned to keep my mouth shut because people don't understand me. She should Google the spiral of silence. She just assumes that everyone who is quiet is that way because of some kind of deficiency UNLESS the guy is chad. If his is chad, then he's just "shy or introverted." You can't explain the distinction between the two if you don't accept this. It would even be better if she just said she didn't like introverts, but the distinction is there only to serve as a loophole. Dating within the church is a joke. Literally all that matters to women is looks and not being a literal murderer or child rapist. There is no reason to ever waste your time thinking you have to marry a girl from church. 9 times out 10 they're no different from other girls and the other time she's already taken. Everyone on this board needs to STOP wasting their winnie the pooh time fantasizing about muh trad gf. That's all this shithole of a board cares about and it winnie the pooh pisses me off. Did you faggots only become Christian for the trad gf? It sure winnie the pooh seems like it.

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Most likely. Women who want an intellectual sparring partner often complain about being single, and rightly so. The only guys who fit that criteria are soy boys, and they get rejected by said women for being effeminate. As I said before in this thread, these women generally don't know what they want in life… at least, not until they're 80-something years old and realize their entire life has been a smorgasbord of poor choices.
Right? I'm the shy and quiet type, always have been, and people typically point it out a few times before either getting used to it or distancing themselves from me.
Or "mysterious, but in a good way". Women care about a men's looks more than anything else, and more anons here need to realize that, as blackpilling as it may be.
Indeed it is. Protestant women are typically no better than secular women, and Catholic women who are the slightest bit pious only want the best traits in men.
True. Stop worrying about women, improve your life, act confident, and when the right woman does come along, you'll be ready.

I have no idea what she means by the term, but if I were to say a man "is not worldly-wise" it'd be a polite way to call him naive, which may be a virtue in some sense, but understandably a bit disconcerting for a young woman looking to raise a catholic family in the age of globo-homo.

I'm seriously just going to sell everything and go over seas at this point and just stay there. I'll just bum around Eastern Europe and go to monasteries and wait for the Anti-Christ to come.

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i read the article and she just means worldy. she goes on to say "If they’re more worldly, they’re generally not single or not religious," meaning that she thinks being worldly is a good thing, and somehow wants a religious man who is also worldy. honestly, i can't tell if she's an entitled blown out roastie looking to "finally settle down" or if she's genuinely just a dumb misguided woman. its hard not to feel bad for a woman who's 32 and childless. the article is trash, but winnie the pooh this gay society

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I was thinking on going to browse around Catholic Churches in my area.

I always sit in the front 4-5 pews to make myself noticeable to all possible courtiers and stay behind for extra prayers, so a possible woman could get into my vicinity and wait for me to talk to her.

But in the 100 or so people that go, I have seen maybe 3 women even my age, much less ones which I would consider to be worthy of talking to.

I do not want to seem vain but I would consider myself a good looking man with a decent personality.

Seems to me there are hot spots of a lot of women and a lot of men in separate areas.

Why do you go to church to pick up men?

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Seek first the Kingdom of God, and the rest shall be added unto you. If your presence at Holy Mass and your thanksgiving afterward are ordered toward finding a woman, rather than worshipping God as the focus should be, why would God give you the woman you're looking for? Focus on sanctity first and develop your love for God, brother. The rest will come in God's time, according to His will.

You can be both.

If you're trying to find a person to marry who's the same religion/denom as you, it's an obvious place.

ITT: Chan-addicted spergs who don't realize that being "Wordly-wise" means being able to function competently in society, hold a steady job, contribute to the local community, and generally just be a man who is capable of successfully supporting and raising a family. Why should a woman seeking a husband want to date a man who is a social wreck? Is not the purpose of dating to find a spouse?

That's not what "worldy-wise" means to anyone. Unless it's an Australian term or something

Primarily because chan-addicted incels tend to believe they're owed a wife.

No, that is actually what "worldly-wise" means. It's what you'd call a "normalfag".

This is a stupid discussion of semantics. I don't think of normies when I hear "generally just be a man who is capable of supporting and raising a family" but maybe you do. Maybe she does. Worldy-wise implies an interest in modernism and materialism since that is the current western culture outside the Christian community.

And I would add the term "worldly" is usually used in the place of "secular," at least where I am. I'm glad one of us knew what she was talking about but at least try to understand why people are annoyed by the demeanor of the article when it's interpreted that way.

Way too obvious shilling.

What are you … anti-semantic? :^)

Just proves my point, lol.

What's your point?

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She's not completely wrong about Australia, though. My children church is full of good Christian men, but they tend to get hitched early and then there are a bunch of guys that lack moral fiber and want it both ways and good Christian girls can sniff out their lack of sincerity. That being said, there are a fair amount of church going girls who aren't holding up their end. Being immodest scares off the genuine guys.

My phone has particularly annoying autocorrect. Disregard "children" it auto filled

Try working with temp agencies. They have well-paying jobs that will whip you into shape, and they give them to basically anyone. If you play your cards right, you can springboard from that to a respectable job.

Who cares what they think about anything anymore. They were given their chance and they utterly destroyed good longstanding and proven traditions.
The whole "Women are nurturers" claim is bullshit. winnie the pooh hell… Where to even start?
The modern woman is cruel and callous being quick to violence abandoning and throwing away good things in service to themselves.
They'd abandon their children; pawning them off to be watched (raised) by starngers, for a career, so they can run around and pretend like they're equal to men.

winnie the pooh this recycled and repackaged "No good men" anecdote. I believe there are good women (I truly do) because I'm not a projective cunt.

Cath-leaning Aussie prot here. Don't know if a weekday mass in the inner city is representative but usually it's elderly and immigrants from what I can see.

Do you have many Asian catholics in Australia?

Yes, there is quite a few filipino catholics in cities and suburban areas here.

There are women who pick up negroes on mission trips to Africa.

And there are very few good men.

My church is predominantly male. Once guys get old enough to date, they find a woman and drag her to our church with them.

Women want to be spiritual without giving up comfort. They have to be pushed by men to give up comfort; men need the women to keep a bit of perspective on the present - so they don't make life unlivable in the here and now (men can go so ascetic that they break themselves).

Point being, women don't seek out the same kind of churches that attract men. And, because of the cultural collapse, most people don't have their parents church to attend.

I strongly suggest women start looking into male-run churches because, if they want strong, Christian men, they aren't going to find them at some wussy female-preacher, being gay is okay church.

Women like our church once they're here but… if they didn't see what kind of men we turned out first, I don't think they'd like our focus in theory. We're not feminist or modern at all. At the same time, we're not the crude men of last generation either - a real man is respectful of women, even if he's also in charge. The leader is the servant, you know?

Very good points. I told my wife I don't speak to other women in a personal context unless spoken to. She thought it was out of respect for women. In fact it's the exact opposite: the chances of a grown woman saying something that is of interest to me is zero. I'd no more strike up a conversation with a woman than I would with a homeless person.

Do tell us what is worth pursuing then and what can be a straight up replacement for those things in one's life user, don't just leave us hanging also don't just say "masculine stuff dude".

Read non-fiction books, watch documentaries, work out, pursue some sort of outdoor hobby or sport, learn to build things with your own hands. Men are makers; women are consumers.

Personally, when I saw the phrase "worldly-wise", that's exactly what it meant to me. Someone who's socially competent and can hold a conversation. Someone with people-skills. As another poster put it, someone who's a "normalfag" but of course, a true normalfag would be a materialistic modernist and so you don't want that, you just want the person that's capable of being pleasant to interact with.

I was about to complete go past by this thread, but this reply golden, I completely agree with this user and is something to remember by.

Just to make my report as well, I see the same problems others do here, there is a big scarcity of proper women in the church, they seem to leave at the young 20s and only back when their lives turned miserable because of their own actions (and even then, they wont admit it).
From the very few girls there are: some are just sunday goers, just for show, but nothing they actually do or believe is really from God (these are the ones that go only on holidays with very seductive clothing); some actually try to go frequently and participate in events and charities, but still for the most selfish reasons, they only interpret the word as if to suit them, if the preacher doesn't say what they want, they go find another church, they act however they want and fail to admit guilt; finally there are those very few girls that somehow are still pure, either because they try to sincerely find a good husband, or because they are just too shy to do anything otherwise.

I don't know if I gave off this impression, but I'm kinda frustrated about the subject, gonna head over the relationships thread right now.

Well the issue is well educated and worldly people don't tend to be Christian.

so basically what is saying - this is the equivalent of when a guy's caught up in jerking off to porn and spends 2 hours trying to settle on the hottest picture to nut to
this is the very single emotion which demands an authoritarian solution. women must be expected to shit or get off the pot before that fretful indecisiveness sees them end up a spinster

Great post.
Yes, and truly male-run churches, mind you. None of this nonsense where you have a male pastor or two and several female "x directors" who really run things, or Catholic priests that are bullied into submission by Boomer women on the parish council.

Ftfy. It's no wonder they aren't, given how most college professors actively feed their students an atheistic agenda. I would not consider those individuals to be "well educated", but rather "indoctrinated".
If we are to assume "worldly people" means "those accustomed to how the world works", then no. Christians aren't the ones struggling with the meaning of their existences, killing themselves off in great numbers, barely reproducing (and when they do, it's typically by accident), supporting self-destructive policies, pursuing short-term pleasures over long-term rewards (e.g. having casual sex instead of raising a family), and so forth. If by "worldly people" you actually mean "those transformed by the world", then yes, those people are the opposite of Christians.

The long and short of Ben Shapiro is that he is the neocons attempt at appealing to gen z. They pushed him with those Ben Shapiro ANALLY RAPES feminist with FACTS AND LOGIC videos, but all he cares about is the US being brought into war for Israel's interest. Also he promotes the Judeo-Christian lie, which erases the importance of the Christian faith to the development of the West.

This is the exact phrasing I needed, thank you.

so I am not the only one who wants to escappe to the vast emptiness of the Russian far east huh?

Begome celibade.

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