The average person believes that sodomy is only few decades old and that before that it was unthinkable and had to be hidden, while in fact it was rather common in high society, Oscar Wilde famously comes to mind, or Marquis de Sade his "120 Days of Sodom" before that. I've just read this article about the liberal consumerist economist John Maynard Keynes, which claims that he had around 100+ homosexual encounters at the turn of the 19th century, and that sodomy was rather widespread: independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/john-maynard-keynes-new-biography-reveals-shocking-details-about-the-economists-sex-life-10101971.html
What was the true extent of sodomy in the West before 1960, in the 19th century, 18th century, 17th century and before that? What have the churches done about this, and what was their excuse for not doing more? Sodomy is a disease that spreads, statistics has proven this since it's more widespread in recent generations. Afflicted men infect unafflicted men and boys and the disease spreads, people rarely repent. Therefore if it was rooted out earlier a great evil could've been prevented, so why was it allowed to get this far.
Sodomy has always existed and has always been a disgrace and shame to anyone practicing it. The big problem however with all this is, if you declare something illegal, it will just happen in secret. Now don't get me wrong, it's meant to be illegal, but the result was that everything had to happen underground where no other people knew of it. So besides making sodomy a legal offense and punishable by whatever if a sodomite was caught, one couldn't do much more. It wasn't as widespread as now, the age when porn is seen as normal and homosexuality gets promoted in the media, but it still existed. Besides its existence energy and effort were better put into more pressing and obvious matters centuries ago than the possible sodomite weirdo in a village one heard about in the local tavern.
Bentley Richardson
Then why wasn't this done? Surely the government could have rooted out many sodomites if it tried harder. You can't tell me that Keynes could've had 100+ homosexual encounters without anyone knowing. If the government were to offer bounties to whoever reports the sodomites, and the death sentence for sodomy, I'm sure the greater part of them would've disappeared. The churches could've pressured the governments into doing exactly that, and once the sodomite question was dealt with it wouldn't have cause any more expenses. Yet this weirdo is the progenitor of thousands of weirdos today.
Gavin Jenkins
Possible molestation by a priest?
Gabriel Lewis
All the examples mentioned here seems to be when liberalism and secualrism were rising tbh, while sodomy always existed the true difference is if its viewed in a favorable manner or in a negative manner if its in a negative manner homosexuality in general would be minimal but if it is viewed in a positive manner fags would take full advantage of the system, kinda what happened in the crossdresser culture in japan or that sick system of child grooming that the turks had.
is there a more reliable source? we need to remember that germany was already getting subverted during those years.
Cooper Rivera
It's the epidemic spread of a disease that is a threat to our communities. It's spread through coercion and violence. I, and anyone with any courage will always side with the people who are valuable individuals who have no ability to speak for themselves against the loud, coercive and violent sodomites that actively threaten unwary people with sudden molestation, psychological attack and recruitment. They're getting into the schools where the parents have no presence to stop them or even know what's going on. There's hundreds of silent alarm bells going off every day as this disease spreads itself through its subversive bullying, coercion and ultimately real violence. These are pathological liars and inhuman predators, who made sodomy their choice, and which always admit their intent to infest and corrupt the people all around us, which need to be placed to facilities where they can be contained and quarantined immediately from the innocent while they are awaiting trial. Crime against nature is a felony in this country and always has been and remains to be. There's always one just we can find to prosecute them that hasn't been deceived and subverted by their continued lies.
– Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England >This the voice of nature and of reason and the express law of God determined to be capital. Of which we have a signal instance long before the Jewish dispensation by the destruction of two cities by fire from heaven; so that this is a universal, not merely a provincial, precept. And our antient law in some degree imitated this punishment, by commanding such miscreants to be burned to death,(n) though Fleta(o) says they should be buried alive; either of which punishments was indifferently used for this crime among the antient Goths.(p) But now the general punishment of all felonies is the same, namely, by hanging; and this offence (being in the times of popery only subject to ecclesiastical censures) was made felony without benefit of clergy
At least Oscar Wilde renounced his sinful ways and returned to the church. Keynes on the other hand is still screwing billions of people to this day.
Grayson Green
Except thats not the job of the government or the church or even God.
Im sorry to disappoint you, but your edgy fantasies were never the stance that we should have ever taken. We are not here to punish the guilty, the corrupt or the wicked, for they punish themselves already. Sin is it's own punishment. We are here to get as many of them as possible to get in control over their own sinful nature through the grace of the Lord and submit to them with a regretful heart. That is our mission, not to punish. Rid your mind of all notions of justice. GOD himself chose to come to Earth as Love, because of he came as justice we would all be dead.
Matthew Rogers
The earliest Popes committed sodomy and was a degenerate who disregarded law and order, that's why it was banned in the Catholic faith.
Kevin Richardson
Jesus didn't teach mercy or love on everyone. For example, he said that those who harm children may as well tie a millstone around their necks and jump into the sea.
Take 5 seconds and let that actually sink in. He's saying that the best they have to hope for is just to be condemned immediately. That it is OVER for them. If there was mercy for them, he wouldn't say it. And for them to keep on living will only make their punishment worse: Because such a person is so far gone that the chances of them ever reforming is nil. They will inevitably create more victims the longer they live.
Evan Flores
Nonsense
Owen Thompson
Absolutely not. WHat an absolutely ridculous instruction. What is wrong with you?
Dominic Butler
Yes and that was their punishment. Being so base and evil that it would be better for you to never have been born is punishment the likes of which you can never inflict on anyoblne. Only sin can do that to you. As such we dont have to punish them, in fact there is no use in doing so because punishment is for those who can yet reform their conduct.
Nothing is wrong with me. Its a simple matter of understanding that we have all sinned and have fallen short of the glory of God and the wages of sin are death. Justice would mean death for every single one of us. God is bein merciful towards us every day and the very idea that any human conxept of justice is relevant in the light of that mercy is laughable. The only justice that matters is God's justice and that justice would demand that we die. God loves us so much that he chose to be merciful. Justice does not apply.
Luis Roberts
It actually was, then (((liberalism))) happened.
Re-read this sentence again and realize that this is a recipe for disaster.
Homosexuality is not genetic.
Levi Bailey
Keynes may be bisexual and atheist, but he's probably the greatest economist to have ever lived.
Liam Stewart
Do you realize liberalism wasnt created by jews? It was a white creation.
Asher Wilson
i agree with you on the sodomite part, but the idea that justice shouldn't exist and we shouldn't punish say, murderers and rapists is laughable.
Benjamin Ramirez
You reason therefore we should allow dangerous criminals free course to harm others, because no punishment would reform them?
No, actually this needs a punishment of preventative teaching. This is the necessary action of letting a beast know its limits and so that it will know what will happen to it if it harms others. Romans chapter 13 also delineates this responsibility.
I just keep coming back to that fundamental question with people like you, what about the others? What about the bystanders to all of this who are less able to defend themselves, who we are required to protect from evil. You seem not to care about their cause. You let sodomites and other dangerous people roam and predate freely despite knowing what they will do, supposing that you can simply talk your way out as part of your anarchist philosophy. You stood by and allowed a third party to get preventably harmed, by figuring justice had no role to play. Worse, you came here to tell others to do the same. This is not a place you want to be.
Samuel Lopez
So a rampaging gorilla comes rampaging into your house and you reason to yourself "we don't have to do anything because its sin is its own worst punishment." Can you see how deranged this is?
Cooper Reed
It's worse than that.
Let's make this more realistic. Imagine that CNN had gorilla segments on its program for ten years where they told you it's safe before this happened.
Jack Gomez
Prove it
Locking someone up and providing them with their everyday living requirements isnt punishment. We dont do it to punish either we do it to protect everyone else. Also I didnt say justice shouldnt exist I said that it doesn't exist on the temporal plane because if it did we'd all be dead. You will get divine justice when you die, not before. What we have here is human justice aka might makes right. Justice as a governing idea would turn this world into an even greater bloodbath than it already is simply because its a human idea of justice and as such its not perfect and as such someone will always feel righteously slighted by the system. AS such justice is not an appropriate value to organize society around. Only God is.
Wyatt Turner
I guess Keynes was a true homo economicus
Ayden Nelson
Brilliant.
Jonathan Sanchez
Who exactly believes that? I am sure most people who are not retarded do not.
You sure do get a kick out of that board don't you. Why do you mention it all the time? you want people to go there, kind of reverse-psychology trick to get them there or what? Tune down your autism already
Friedman has been dabbed on so many times. Not even worth reading him besides Capitalism and Freedom.
The neoclassicals have been dabbed on too
Hunter Collins
He's anything but that. Firstly, cause he predates the neoclassical. Secondly, cause he rejects the theories of the classicals, like Smith and Ricardo. He's specially opposed to Ricardo's theories of value being based on the costs of productions (which would place Menger firmly against Marxism is his theories didn't predate Marx).
are you retarded? most proponents of secularism and liberalism wheren't jewish in the first place Locke Montesquieu Voltaire Rousseau and Adam Smith were all european not jewish if you say that liberalism is a jewish creation do you realize that you are denying white history from the french revolution onwards?
Nicholas Turner
This. If you don't support classical liberalism you don't support whites.
Low taxes, free trade, and no regulations is the way forward for white people.
Elijah Collins
While I'm all for free market capitalism, it's mainly out of compromise. Capitalism encourages greed and playing dirty to gain monopolistic control, I can tell you that as a business major. However, historically speaking it's the least awful system we have in the modern world. It's not great, or even that good, but it's the best we have.
Also, why make it a racial thing? Thomas Sowell ring a bell? Honestly, why bring that crap into a christian board? God accepts all nations.
Oliver Richardson
Why are there so many capitalists on a Christian board?
Jonathan Russell
CS Lewis mentions sodomy in his books… that really disturbed me and made me sad because I too thought sodomy basically didn't exist in the past for the most part.
Logan Parker
Matthew 7:
Nathan Jones
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Owen Sanchez
Like I said, I'm not really a fan of it, nor do I like to be materialistic. But as far as governance is concerned, I think the greatest degree of financial/material freedom is ideal compared to the alternatives. It''s the best of a bad situation in other words.
Levi Jones
Sodomy has always existed, even in recent times. (Just look at the Wild West and the existence of brothels in nearly every town)
The problem is that society has largely condemned sodomy, prostitution and sexual degeneracy/perversion since the West became Christian. We are no reverting to pagan-tier society where sexual degeneracy is the norm, not that the strange and frowned upon outcasted minority.
Jason Nguyen
*We are now
Julian Williams
Which ones?
Isaac Howard
You mean the average person on this board? The average person, at least in America, believes it's always been around and 10% of people have always been gay and even the birds and the bees do it. And on this board I would assume everyone knows it at least goes back to, well, Sodom (and earlier).
Andrew Bell
Nice to know that a sodomite invented the economic model that the whole world uses today, no wonder women are working and nobody's having children.
