The Future of the Novus Ordo

If you read the Council of Trent, and the theology surrounding the Mass, the Novus Ordo (as per the OFFICIAL rubrics propagated with it in 1970) represents a radical departure from the Council of Trent, which we know is infallible, and Quo Primum. It's a product of man, of the radical ecumenicists in the Church, whereas the TLM grew from the Mass celebrated by Jesus Himself.

See here: 8ch.net/christian/res/812371.html

Are there any actual stats on this?

Are you retarded? Do you not realize what this 'appeal' means?

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Yes it's not even close. Anyone who goes to a well performed Latin Mass will see the great contrast in not only the reverence but the beauty of the mass. That is, assuming that their modernist brainwashing hasn't gotten so far that reverence isn't even a factor when looking to offer sacrifice to the Lord.

Novus Ordo won't disappear simply the attitude of the celebrant and laity will change for the better if there is any hope to be found in the younger generations of believers.

The stats that are known is the declining church attendance, which is 99% Novus Ordo.
No official stats on Tridentine Rite parishes but I've read some article about how it's a bit """problematic""" on how the youth is attracted to tradition (can't remember the source though).
The only thing I know and that's because it's plain to see is that both SSPX and FSSP are growing, places like this are brimmed with traditionalists looking for a Tridentine Rite and people converting to orthodox exactly because of travesties like the current Novus Ordo.

Tell me this, if you were looking for something more and deeper in life, and you entered your average Novus Ordo rite parish; almost all old people (dying out attendance), a priest who doesn't know or doesn't care, and everybody in there affirming the life you already lead as being good enough to go to heaven.
I know that there are decent priests in certain Novus Ordo parishes but they are hard to find these days, I've already seen too many abominations to give these parishes another chance.

all churches are NO

There must be a few Tridentine Rite parishes, right?

I'm aware that there are many bad Novus Ordo parishes in the world. I've only ever seen one in real life though, and it was a government-run chapel. Maybe I've just been lucky, but most of the NO parishes I've been to have been pretty good, with priests that care and plenty of young people in the pews. That's why I'm interested in the stats, to try and know objectively whether my personal experiences represent reality as a whole.

This also differs from country to country, but I can assure you that it's abysmal where I live and also in a lot of other places.

Nope. There are no parishes anywhere that default to the Extraordinary form. It's called the Novus Ordo's official name is "ordinary form" after all.

I don't know if you even checked but here you go.

lmsaus.org/

Good Lord this is embarrassing.

Become Eastern Catholic guys if you don't want the butchering of the mass that is Novus Ordo, if Tridentine or Latin High Mass aren't available.

I can support this, but do know that Eastern catholic churches are also ethnic clubs most of the time.
Sure they're legit and comfy, but one should not be surprised if he does not understand what parishioners are saying at the coffee table.

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He has it pretty much nailed. It won't disappear because it's what Catholics grew up with and won't disappear unless the Church itself does something with it. The problems often cited with the Novus Ordo by traditionalists don't exist in parishes with pious priests and laity that understand what they're taking part in. The Church has been failed by the older generation, who failed to properly catechize their children and hold their clergy to greater standards of piety. Nobody cares to do things right because they don't understand. This is why so many kids apostatize when they go to university - not because of the Novus Ordo itself or what they learn at university.

The Pope Emeritus said that the Church will get smaller and holier. Here we have hope that things will turn around. Those of the younger generation who stay Catholic, and not just those who become traditionalists and isolate themselves within those communities, are becoming more and more deliberate about being Catholic. Those who go to seminary have a good reason to be there. More and more, Novus Ordo masses are being done ad orientem. More and more, Latin is being reintegrated into Novus Ordo through hymns and certain mass parts being switched back.

Those who hide in the traditionalist communities often preach doom and gloom, but it's because they never look out their window. It's getting better as we speak.

Why bring in Islam? Luther took books out of the bible because the Jews didn't like them (literally, he was following the masoretic text for some reason)

Why are you craving something you've literally never had? That doesn't make any sense. All I see in younger folks "craving tradition" are just doing the usual "f*ck you" to your parents by turning your nose up at the Church they brought you to. You're not craving tradition, you're simply rebelling against your parents.

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My mother is a lapsed catholic and my father a non-practicing evangelical.
I never went to church except for Christmas years ago, and tradition is not just something from days past, it's a structure and mindset of one's life.
Tradition is a sign of integrity, something the catholic church has a severe shortage in these days.

The fact that it's so easy to find TLM kinda proves you wrong.

Pure boomer posting lel. Piss off grandpa, your generation literally destroyed everything good in the world and we're bringing it back whether you like it or not.

I crave the tradition I've never experienced for the same reason I crave the community I've never experienced when I see old movies where people greet their neighbors by name and look up and smile when they see strangers on the street. I am lonely and alienated and isolated and I want to help rebuild the broken shards of society into something better.

Easy to find != lot of it available.

You're really going out of your way here.
Honestly, how much are the neo-catechumens paying you?

Maybe in the US, but it's really hard in other countries.

Is your NO versus populum? Do they chant the Gospel? Is there much Latin? Do people take communion on the tongue? EMHCs? No matter what, a "good" NO is still way worse than a fumbling Tridentine Mass. There's simply no comparison and those who deny it are deluding themselves.

It's this pig-headed obliviousness that makes the youth hate literally everyone over the age of 30. You're all so winnie the pooh stupid and can't comprehend how you winnie the poohed up so bad even though it gets talked about every day on this very website. And even if it was a middle finger to people like you, how is that a bad thing? Oh no, he's mad that I destroyed everything good in the world so to spite me he's going to Mass every day, having 6+ kids, and praying the rosary every night with his family. He'll probably go to Heaven, too, and all because he didn't want to be like you. What does that say about you?

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No, you're the rebel. We want what Christ gave, what the apostles preached and what the father's kept…. the honest and true TRADITION AND FAITH.

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this entire false dichotomy of novus ordo vs TLM is satanic

Christ is present at both; Christ's Church has vouch-safed both. If you cannot accept this, the problem is not with Christ, but with you.

Depends at which parish you go to.

Even then, when satanists take the Eucharist to use in their satanic masses, He's also present there.
Does that mean it's reverend and the right place for the Eucharist to be?

Even demons believe and tremble.

The Lord is at the consecration of every authentic apostolic priest.

So you're seriously going to imply that, at a true black mass, done by an apostate priest, (where a baby is cannibalized) is not offensive to our Lord, because demons fear Him?

Wew lad.

Not if the consecration rite or the altar is invalid, which is sadly ever more frequent these days in Novus Ordo.

Vernacular masses that have a form similar to high church protestant masses make catholicism accessable to converts, so i cannot see it being abolished until the church ends the republican occupation of the papal states and gets back on the horse.