So... I decided to join the military

I'm already fairly fit as it is atm.. I had been working out on and off prior to this mental commitment, and I'm setting up a schedule for a more regular and strenuous fitness routine. I'm 6'1 and 150, and I build mass pretty easily, I just haven't been going as frequently as I would have liked until now.I'm not asserting that I know more than you, but I'm just saying I've tried to prep myself for the worst both physically and mentally.

As far as the latter matter, I assume the mental scaring would happen. I just can't see myself living in the frivolity of the world anymore. I've already had a close brush with death and mortality in college both of myself and those I love, and it put life in a new perspective. I want to something that matters with my life rather than the frivolous pursuit of material wealth and possessions that has consumed me when I first entered university, and that still consumes the world around me. My options were either enlist, join the clergy, or both, and I want to have kids if I make it to 26 so…

I'm already used to being surrounded by irreligious people and evangelicals on campus. There are about 12 of us in total at the Newman center max in a university with 5,150 undergrads. Not to mention all the left wing trite we're force-fed in our mandatory social science courses. Plus, I'm a convert from atheism, so I've already overcome it once in my life.

All of that said though, I thank you for your concern and advice. God bless.

Navy here, not in the US Forces, but one of your Allies. Basically just have to back up what this user says. Also there are a lot of things you may not expect, like the endless boredom. Its not like the movies and few will see the kind of glorious action they expect. And yeah it's not as friendly to religious types as the movies would have you think either.
If it's what you've got your heart set on, it can be fulfilling, but check your expectations going in. You get out of it what you put in. I wish you luck.

Marine brat. Some advice:
Don't be a boot. Look as un-military as possible.
As hard as basic is and was, it's not impressive. Many, many, guys got through it.
The marine corps will brainwash you. That is what basic is. Keep your mind about you.
OCS is more mind games. DIs will actively winnie the pooh with you and try to get you to quit. They will also manipulate the group against you. This is intentional, every one gets theirs.
As an officer, you are less likely to see combat as your primary function is administration. Especially now that there is a lull.
Always be respectful to the NCOs. You will just be another 2LT out of OCS, a change in management the SSGT has to deal with. Guy gets to SSGT deserves deference.
Don't get married while you're serving. Tell that to every single one of your men. Barracks for four years is better than a divorce and loans for the rest of your life.
Alcohol is not your friend. He is your worst enemy. He only gives cold comfort and reinforces false bravado. Alcohol kills more officers than it kills enlisted.
Get ready for shit-tests. You had better be a dominant man, else you will get tread over by the enlisted.
Dress blues for poon. Dont wear it outside of necessity.

All of this assuming you even get in. Corps saturated and MEPS is backed up. Too many guys, make cuts. Infantry is 2nd to be filled after Recon. No shame in upping under a different MOS. Ignore the taunt of POG, they'd starve without intel, warehouse, or air support. Just don't let it get to your head. Patriotism is an excuse, blood and edginess are the reasons.

A man ought to be willing and able to kill. Most important part of killing is how to do it right. "Bushido is the art of dying. To kill means you must first die" or something like that. As Christian's we are meant to face death in Christ. We should know that there is no fate worse than death, no Earthly pain greater than death. The samurai were taught to be fearless of death, a Christian should not do this. He must embrace the fear in Christ, and when he kills repent and forgive his enemy from the depths of his heart. Never dehumanize your enemy. To do so is to damn yourself, and likely scramble your brain. You are trained to kill automatically, reflexively. That's why they use silhouette targets and not bullseye. That's why they have boot camp. It's to brainwash you into killing. Its effective short-term but destructive long-term. Removes individual culpability in the moment, but cannot hold it off forever. At some point, the realization will fully settle in, and the long, dull pain will overcome the soldier. Can't afford to teach them the better way of killing. At least, that's as much as I can figure. I want to sate my curiosity over it, but it's likely I'd never see combat nor have the balls to pull the trigger. No one likes talking about the broken families, reckless lives, and ruined towns of the soldiers.

Another piece of advice: as an officer, expect politics to be your day to day, especially the higher the rank you go.

If you have the aptitude and arent colorblind, I'd strongly reccomend flying V-22s. More methodical. Also as they are troop carriers, it's a fine position for a tougher pacifist-leaning guy and plenty dangerous. SEERS is a trip.

But why marines? You do know that’s the most homoerotic branch right? It’s the navy without self awareness and lower IQ recruits.

Look as much as I would like to congratulate you Im afraid you would only be serving (((them))) as a result, believe I wanted to serve too but my nation is controlled by those who would rather see the faith destroyed and my countrymen replaced by foreigners.

Kek, you aren't dying for Israel, mate.
You are doing stuff for America's complex geo-political interests(which includes anything from training some dissidents, to sailing around Asia on a aircraft carrier as a show of force).

The most likely messed-up Middle Eastern regime who's interests you might end up dying for would be the Saudis, given they give Murica oil.

Why do liberals signal with this when they encounter a point they dont want to engage with because it would make them morally bankrupt and retarded?

Learn to read. I said Zig Forumss, as in both autistic and left. Both are cancer. Both hate the military. You wanna talk about moral bankruptcy and gloss over the fact the autistic one literally worships the skin on their backs one while the left one worships the smell of their own euphoric farts. One wants to genocide all those that aren't white and the other wants to genocide the middle class. Both virtue signal about how much of a "victim" they are and how much better society would be if they were in charge. Both want to perpetuate suffering because their ideals are more important than the reality God gave them.

At the end of the day, both are socialist scum and anathema to me.

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you are either a MAGAtard or /trannypol/ in disguise

Semper Fi
You'll go after you graduate, 10 week course called OCC. Its got a higher attrition rate than the PLC split option, but thats because the longer, single duration lends itself to injury. As long as you prepare, and stay with God, you'll do good.

Try to get an aviation contract. When I went last summer, over half of us were all aviation contracts. They need pilots now, never been a better time to get on.

Hello, bluepilled department? What a joke.

Heil both Hitler and Jesus

Like expending Americans' blood and treasure in order to advance Israel? What a joke, none of the ME countries America has invaded could ever have credibly threatened Americans, even if they had wanted to. So precisely how were the interests of the American people (note: not the Jewish-Deracinated White-Assorted Foreign ruling class of America's interests) advanced by the immense clusterwinnie the poohs that were the assorted ME wars?

Holy shit, this one may be inoperable.

1) None of America's ongoing conflicts is a just war

2) The wars in the middle east are actively harmful not only to the countries america has invaded, but also immensely harmful to Americans (given that they're the ones who spill their blood, foot the bill, and are browbeaten into accepting the swarthy invaders from these armpit countries in order to be "humanitarian")

3) The ones who train and equip the loathsome creatures like ISIS you mention are the same who lead the institution you're pledging yourself to, and that's not to mention that they could never have existed without the toppling of semi-stable local governments by america in the first place.

The only two reasons to ever join the armed forces of any western country in their current state is to:

a) Assist in repelling an invasion (an armed invasion of America by a musloid nation is risible, though the 100 million plus strong unarmed invasion continues apace without the army lifting a finger, so this one certainly doesn't apply).

b) Be in a position to undermine their operations and commandeer materiel/supplies if they ever order the armed forces to turn their weapons on their own citizens (seemingly likelier all the time).

Friendly reminder the Holocaust never happen and Hitler caused the death of millions of whites by invading white European nations.

What we need also is a Catholic Private Military/Security organization dedicated to providing protection services to Catholics as well as our sites/pilgrims/places of worship around the world, once you finish or if you do finish see if you can get together with anybody and start one.

great you just invented the military orders of old

next you are telling me the cultural decay we experiment is due to socialism and not capitalism and rampant consumerism like the grug brained person you are

No, in order to expand America's sphere of influence(with the assorted allied regional powers, puppet states, friendly regimes, etc.), project their power as a global hegemon, and access to cheap resources in the Middle East.
The brits and russians were doing it for a 150 years before America, before that the Ottomans and the Persians, Romans and Persians, etc. until before the Bronze Age Collapse.
It's not magic, or something new.

Now, that's a much better reason to avoid the military, as a christian.
The entire geopolitical scene at the moment is one huge prisonners dillema, and the methods they use are very amoral, destabilizing, and get a lot of innocent people hurt, written off as collateral damage(a CIA report said a salafist caliphate is highly likely to rise in that part of Syria, should a civil war start).
Given minorities are vulnerable in such situation, and middle-eastern christians are among those, you might hurt your brothers in the process.
Much more logical and clear.

I want to be on the front lines. I'm all about humility, which is the exact same reason I was drawn to the Benedictines. Hence it was either the Army or Marines in my mind.The end decision was influenced by which one I thought would require the most discipline, the amount of personal admiration I had for the Marine Corp (which was no doubt influenced by much of the literature I've read by vets, both "fiction" and nonfiction), and as I already mentioned my Grandfather's ideal choice.

I should add to that that my Great-grandfather who actually served in WWII was a paratrooper and was furious that my Grandfather wanted to go into the Marines. Like I said, he was never drafted, and instead later became a history teacher with a masters in US history. He went to St. Ignatius High School and John Carroll University, and was basically the spiritual cornerstone of my family as a result. His dad later disowned him because of his pursuit of education. He was one of the best men if not the best man I ever knew, effectively acted as my father figure after my mother divocred my abusive biological father, and he passed away during the end of my Freshman year at CWRU. Coincidentally, that was the same year I converted to Catholicism (though I had already been baptized and had first communion a very young child, and explored other religions and denominations for both personal and political reasons before finding my home in the church).

I think it's only fitting that I take the place in the Corp that he never fulfilled, especially since nobody in my family has served in the military since WWII. I look up to the Corp and I look up to my grandfather even more, so the marines seemed like the obvious choice when I reflected on it.

OP BTW
My VPN switched off.

newadvent.org/cathen/03794b.htm

it's insane that anyone would be actually willing to kill fellow goyim based on orders from a system full of corrupted meat.

what a bravery right there..
wow..

bitchute.com/video/6x945Vlne7Y/
youtube.com/watch?v=Os9-lLX62vQ

i find it sad, that you put your soul into the hands of meat.
very sad.

..could it be for shekels?

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Now that's brainwashed; all anti-war conservatives are Nazis now.

He specifically said he was talking about both Zig Forumss

here is your KILL THEM ALL mentality of US military:
youtu.be/siHgvx3t9V8?t=725

that implies that state is loyal to their own citizens.

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Try and join a Catholic Private Military Order or Security Organization under the role of Armed Security the moment there is one using the experience you get.

That reminds me, how long could it take for Catholic Private Military Orders or Security Organizations to come into existence?

Should have one running in the next 5-10 years depending on current weltpolitik

This isn't 2005, you're most likely never going to see combat.
You're definitely never going to see combat.

If you really are going to join the Marines then I'm warning you that there will be a lot of whoring and boozing. The guys there will give you shit if you don't partake in that shit.

Don't do it. I did, and I absolutely hated it. The US military is 100% a completely satanic institution, with absolutely no room for a Christian man. Your so-called comrades will all be rabidly atheistic and hyper-sexual, and they will shun you for not being like them. Furthermore, going on an eight-month deployment without any access to the Eucharist the whole time - not to mention inescapable 24/7 exposure to the aforementioned rabid atheists - is a truly soul-crushing experience. There's hardly even any good hard work to take your mind off all of the crap; you'll spend most of your days anxiously waiting around for nothing to happen. Seriously just don't do it; you'd be better off doing literally anything else.

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Doesn't the military have a chaplin that conducts liturgy and provides the eucharist on base?

Honestly this.

I don't know Italian, so I doubt I could join the Swiss guard. Besides, like I said and quoted from the Catholic encyclopedia, it's partially an act of patriotism and national loyalty.

Also, to cite my other inspirations that initially got me to meditate on this issue, I feel the desire to fight for the nation that has given me all that I have to not only honor my heritage, but prove myself as worth of such privileges. I had contemplated going the military before more as a way out of debt and as an easy path to ensured employment, but such material reasons could never motivate me to join. It really wasn't until I read Starship Troopers that I started to see a deeper aspect to military service. I FAR from agree with the totality of its moral philosophy but there are certain aspects that spoke to me on both a philosophical and emotional level (ie. I'm right-wing but not a Fascist). I read it out of morbid curiosity and as a fan of military sci-fi in general expecting to hate it and see it as pro-military Fascist propaganda, but found myself agreeing with many of the meritocratic aspects present in the novel. Also, the plight of a young man unsure of where to go in life and being forced to pursue material wealth spoke to me as a disillusioned business major.

At first I told myself that I was just buying into the propagandist elements of the book, but then I went to church shortly after I had literally finished it on a Sunday and that was when I really felt called to service after sending a few days in conflict. I still waited to see if it was just a fleeting interest as I continued to read other similar materials (see op), but at the end of it all I still felt this pull towards service. Not necessarily that war itself was noble, but the act of stepping up and away from the world in pursuit of a grander cause was noble, and military service was the most accessible means by which I could do this. And the bible never stated that being a soldier was inherently evil, though I do still plan to visit confession often while I'm there.

Like I said, I've always had respect for soldiers and public servants, and was always physically and mentally capable of enlistment, but I never did because I saw myself as "above it" and saw war as purely an act of brutality and nothing else. It wasn't until I was shown a different perspective that I seriously considered it. I know it's a piece of fiction and is clearly idealized (hence so little actual combat is portrayed) but so are The Lord of the World and the works of Tolkien. that doesn't mean it can't present a compelling philosophical argument.

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This isn't 2008, the geopolitical climate is insanely volatile atm. More so than it was in the 2000s actually.
I'm hoping I can chose. I don't think the military has much use for a finance major anyways, and I'm sick of it after 4 years of being force-fed materialism and greed.

Yes, according to my research on both official military and catholic sites.

If you're stateside, yes. Though if you're stationed stateside you're better off attending Mass off-base, as the on-base chapels are almost always empty both in the pews and the service. If you're deployed, however, probably not. At most they might be able to fly in a priest like once the whole deployment. This is why the Church offers a dispensation for those deployed, so that it's not a mortal sin for them to miss Mass. But even though it's not a mortal sin on your part, you still miss out on all of the graces that would otherwise come to you through the Eucharist.

Even if they're not official clergy Chaplains are given authority to distribute the Eucharist if necessary. But due to the governments stance on accommodating religious freedom and the church's efforts, there are in fact a fair few deployed chaplains.

Like I've tried to make clear, I've taken a lot into consideration before this.

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try to make it to special forces like reco
since you dont fap because youre on this board your mind must be strong.

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I mean, I have slip-ups here and there in that regard, but I've gone multiple weeks to a few months at the very least.
And like I said, I'm working with monastics so I'm already big on self control and diligence. I'll see where I go if I even get a choice, but the only thing I would ask is to avoid a number-crunching desk job as much as possible, even if it's in demand. I can't properly serve if I don't have my heart in it, and I already feel like the walking dead in school. I entered school pre-conversion with materialistic priorities, so by this point I'm miserable and take almost no pride in what I'm doing. I'm smart (not to be a dick) but I'm so sick of this crap day in and day out. It's maddening and I've contemplated dropping out, but I only have 1 year left so I'm just gonna ride it out for the sake of OCS.

Yes, there are deployed chaplains. However, the command you get deployed with will most likely only have one chaplain, and he'll most likely be a protestant minister. Take it from someone who's been on deployments: the government does not care about your Sunday obligations. Any recruiters or government-run sources on the subject will be more than happy to lie to you to make you more likely to sign that dotted line, but the government really seriously does not care about you at all.

Eh. I'll pray for better and hope for the best. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Either way I refuse to let my spirituality slip into the cracks. At the very least there's the chance I'll get lucky, and if not I'll just consider it a trial of my faith. I relish the difficulty when it's something I'm truly passionate about. That part of why I'm doing this, and also why I'm miserable in school: I have no love for where my life is headed nor pride in what I have to do to get there, and I want to change that.

OP btw

Sorry OP, I just don't understand how people can reconcile being a part of the US military while being Catholic/Orthodox. My spiritual father is a pacifist and I admit I am one too. I pray for your safety and a change of heart.

I too wanted to serve, but I became a firefighter paramedic and did that for 6 years professionally. Now I do something else. There have only been a handful of just-wars in the history of mankind, and our babylon tier country will not be involved in one anytime soon.

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I can't really explain why I feel called to serve in this manner in all honesty. I just do. I would love to serve as a fireman or paramedic post term (assuming I don't end up going career or biting it) but I feel called to this particular form of service. I meditated and prayed on the matter that I might be certain that It's the call of God and not some fleeting desire born of the folly of youth, and nothing has changed. What more, as previously stated, such an idea is radically contrary to where I intended my life to go since early high school. I had contemplated it purely for the financial benefits, but such things could never convince me to make this kind of commitment.

I just pray god has something in store for me through this, be it learning the horrors of it all, or learning the true meaning of obedience and service to my fellow man. Possibly a mixture of both. Possibly neither. Possibly something different entirely. Only time will tell, but I know in my heart I have to do this.

The videos and documentaries of Bootcamp are about what I expected (embed related), and I feel like in a year I should be fully capable of exceeding the base requirements physically and mentally. I'm sure the actual experience is different than the just watching it play out, but it's the best I can do before I meet with my OSO.

DON'T winnie the pooh DO IT.
Especially if you live in the United States of America.
You REALLY want to be a good mercenary of the (((Great Satan))), the evil American Empire so that you can bring chaos, destruction and sodomy throughout the world to serve the interests of the children of Satan, namely the Jews?
youtube.com/watch?v=d-OXt5NWcRs

Op here with an update:

My mother is coming around to it, since she realized I couldn't enter OCS without a college education. She has friends who served in the Army and Airforce, so now all she doesn't get is why I would pick the Marines. My primary reasons as I stated before are my Grandfather, personal admiration and self-discipline but it's a bit hard for her to wrap her head around that.

Additionally, I was wondering if some prescription drugs I'm on would get in the way. I don't have any major condition that isn't medicated, but some of them like Adderall require federal input. I also have epilepsy, but it's medicated and it's been well over 6 months since I had a seizure so I'm good to go so long as I can get my pills. I plan to ask my OSO officer, but any idea if this is an issue even if it's not a problem atm?

Not going to happen OP. Marine Corps DQ for less.

I'm still gonna try and see if I can get anywhere with this. I can't not do something. Even if it's a different branch or position I have to try. I'm too deadset on it to back out now.

It doesn't cause any issues like I said, and all the federal restrictions have been lifted for me with regards to thinks like hunting and driving since it's been over 6 months. It's not Photo-epilepsy either btw which I always have to clarify so that might change things. All of my issues are well under control, so I still want to see. I mean, they let people with glasses in, so I don't see the problem.

The issue is you're medicated. They dont allow asthmatics, depressives, bipolar, schizophrenics, or epileptics join any branch because it is a severe liability not only in duress, but in the after care, they dont want to foot your bill. Those who require glasses arent blind, but likely suffer from far-sightedness.

If you had a seizure in your adult life and are on a register for restricted access to hunting and driving, there is no way you're going to get in. You can talk with a recruiter but make damn sure that that is priority one. Guarantee he will thank you for your interest but it isn't going to go through.

I just said I'm not.
All my pills are generics, so they're dirt cheap compared to name brands. Like I said, I'm still going to inquire because I have to do something with my life other than sit behind a desk numbercrunching. I want some form of civil service at the very least.

military.com/join-armed-forces/disqualifiers-medical-conditions.html

I don't see any of my issues here.

Only VERY sever epilepsy gets you disqualified. Like I said, it's been over 6 months. Disqualification requires WEEKLY seizures.

Post-conscription, the military lowered its bar for qualification by a lot.

The American Empire is definitely not Christian. In fact it's anti-Christian.

LARPing as a crusader in the middle east is just that. The American military is not there to protect Christians or fight Islam. They are allied with Saudi friggin Arabia.

Tertullian, Of the Soldier’s Crown, Chapter 11:
Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, 110
Ireneus, Against Heresies (Book IV, Chapter 34-4)
Origen, Contra Celsum, Book V, 33

The church doesn't require you to be a pacifist nor abandon military service. What OP should be concerned is this>>815167

And the kicker(s) of them all,

>Take thought for what is good in the sight of all people. If it is possible on your part, be at peace with all people.

Might be true, but one is higher than the other, as high as God is above man in Being, as high as the celibate is above the married, etc.

Post-conscription yes. That really means "we've invested hundreds of thousands of dollars and hours training you, we want to keep you" not "you've got a restrictive medical disorder it's ok let's train you up and get on the hook for your medical costs" The USMC is going through cuts like crazy, on top of which they've been slammed for lax recruiting standards and they're tightening it up. You're walking in with a recent seizure which lead to restrictions, requires prescription, and you've also got a need for adderall. That is costs they have to cover, on top of the fact that it's a liability in the field. If you submit paperwork, its going to go to BuMed. BuMed is likely not going to go in your favor. I'm sorry to be harsh, but that's the truth. Guys have been rejected for way less.

Honestly, I would strongly consider the National Park Service. Everything they do as far as I know ethically is on the up and up, you get time outdoors doing something meaningful and saving lives.

I was thinking of joining the military, But because I'm a sperg they'd likely make me a wall mumbler

A rogue mod keeps deleting my post on the prayer thread and banning my IP addresses. I could chalk up to the first ban being a simple "fat finger" mistake. After all, no ban reason was given. But the second ban proves that it was intentional.

But… believe it or not that was actually a good thing for me. In fact, it was a literal godsend.

For many months, I've been looking for an excuse to spam my prayer message somewhere online. I've tried 4chan, IRC channels, Discord, etc. On 4chan, I used to post only on threads on page 10 that have reached their bump limit in order to cause minimum disruption while still leaving a permanent record of my prayer. I didn't feel particularly good doing this, because I had no ill feelings towards them.

At first, I didn't want to spam this board because you guys also seemed like such a nice community. Actually, I still think that most of you guys are nice people, and I have no ill feelings towards most of you. But due to the recent events that have transpired creating such a perfect opportunity for vengeance… I just can't resist myself. :P

I have two years worth of comp sci education under my belt but I don't have a job. So apart from sleeping and shitting (and the occasional grocery shopping on weekends), I have 24 hours of free time available to me every day. That's 7 days a week and 52 weeks a year. It will be a continuous uphill battle for the rogue mod to delete my posts and ban my IP addresses now.

This will be the beginning of the end for this board. Say goodbye to the oldest threads in the catalog and say hello to your new master.

I'll cease spamming the board when at least one of my prayer demands have been met.

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Why would you want to die for Israel?

If you can possibly reconcile becoming a warrior of the known Satanists, Usurers, pedophiles & Communists ruling the planet with being a warrior of Christ, I'd suggest you pray more. Most world leaders today aren't just in simple ignorance, they're in a state of full concious rejection of God.

This, so much.

Do you think the Catholic concept of Social Justice is the same thing as the modern term "Social Justice"? Stop falling for Leftist word games, "Socialism" was a broader term back then. The better reason to not be NatSoc is that it places race over God. For contrast, the Iron Guard was a Third Position movement that was more conciously & explicitly an attempt at preservation of Christian culture, while still acknowledging the right of a nation to self determination. So a rejection of both Capitalism and Communism as un-Christian doesn't mean you default to "ebul Nahtsee", that's just a false dilemma.

Basically, yeah. There's been a lot of thinly veiled recruitment threads lately on various boards, I suspect it's a feeble attempt to draw off some more bodies for the upcoming war with Iran.

Oh and ISIS? You mean the Mossad boogeyman that actually apologised to accidentally bombing Israel?

The only thing you're guarding is pic related. You're helping Israel & their golems crush the remnants of Christian civilisation, nothing more.

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Good luck, don't die during training, and pray your life isn't thrown into the grinder.

OK.

based and red pilled.

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Did OP seriously ignore this video ?
Why do you want to be a mercenary for the (((children of Satan))) who belong to the (((Synagogue of Satan))) ?

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Is that peak (((/r/Christian))) shilling ?

You're there to die for Israel goyim. And the human right for sodomites to castrate themselves and dress up as women. And for the abolishment of nations and of the complete destruction of male authority in society. And you're doing it for what? So the system can discard you as soon as you're no longer a useful idiot.
The ZOG military has court-martialed its own for mentioning Christ in passing conversation. Gay pride parades and feminist parades are mandatory.

As an Orthodox, should I join a PMC? It seems much better than the military: better training, better assignments, better pay.

PMCs usually hire former military or law enforcement. So you would have to go through the military wringer anyway. It's cheaper to just hire former military or law enforcement than to hire and train an undisciplined young adult. save desk and admin work. Im sure PMC bureaucrats aren't expected to be trained in combat like an NCO for the military to be

The pay is better but you are also doing dirty work the government can't officially do. You are basically a mercenary.

Personally I wouldn't join a PMC, shady work for none of the prestige or pension the government promises you. Not worth it unless the PMC solely bases it's identity around Christ and the ethics to back it up.

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Four Words:

United States Coast Guard

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Based and coastpilled

You should first join the Catholic Church, then we can talk

Now explain how the recent fights in Syria and the warmongering against Iran helps American interests when the only ones in favor of it are the Israelis (Golan oil finds & Nukes respectively) and Saudis (muh Sunni supremacy) and it actively alienates hugely important allies like Turkey who've been increasingly moving towards Russia and China over the Kurds.

It rings as hollow now as it did when you traitorous winnie the poohs excused USS Liberty as no biggie.

Thanks for your service user! Godspeed and stay safe

Closer allies, more bases, more cultural influence, cheaper oil.
Eh, kinda.
Not that Turkey didn't get some nice pan-ottomanist ambitions out of this fiasco:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_occupation_of_northern_Syria
Who's we?
I'm from Eastern Europe(NATO, though).
I hate American middle-eastern interventionism, i think christians shouldn't join the army in the current geopolitical context, that glossing over the current Petro-Islam radicalization is the biggest problem we have, and it's gonna bite us hugely in the ass, and imo the Saudi royal family should be executed for crimes against humanity, but i understand why they do this crap.

They being the US army, just to be clear.