If you've played through this DLC in which Johanka's story focuses on something of Catholic or Christian significance, spoilers alert:
She receives visions from Mary that happen to be true but ends up being trialed by the inquisition in which the outcome can result in her being lashed and complying with agreeing to never preach again, in which a miracle happens and somebody is healed by Mary.
The other is sentencing to death by the inquisitor.
What are your thoughts on the storyline and do you think it was overtly biased against the church in any ways? If so then how etc?
I heard this game was good and had a lot of religious themes but was horribly buggy so I never got it.
Ian Davis
i think you could take the money you'd spend on this and spend it on an actual history of the church
Austin Davis
Not like that stuff hasn't happened before where they a saint gets executed and then pronounced a saint years later.
Jordan Stewart
has there ever been a saint martyred by their own church?
Noah Watson
St. Joan of Arc comes first to mind, and I think there are plenty more that a lot do not know about.
Adam Adams
Saint Ignatius of Loyola used to be harassed by some retarded inquisitor for awhile abusing his position, it's not the first time saints had to endure bureaucracy and patience.
Blake Foster
no, not really
St. Joan got executed because her inquisitor was working with the english.
Gavin Rodriguez
Would St. Thomas More count given that the Anglicans still venerate him despite being the ones that killed him?
Josiah Nelson
St Joan was excommunicated at three time of her death.
Grayson Turner
So when it released it was, and often times it was funny, but it seems theyve fixed er up
Noah Myers
May get, but I have my hands full of games after this year.
Julian Butler
No, because More was Catholic and thus he was not killed by "his own Church." Anglicans consider him a Saint, but he is not part of their flock. This is because Anglicans understand "Catholicity" to apply to any Church generally accepting the first 5-7ish ecumenical councils (or really just anyone who believes in Christ… depends who you talk to.)
Rome would clearly state that Anglicans are not "the Church" and they are only a "church" and one which is fully heretical. I think Joan of Arc is the only one who comes close, as she was only allowed to be executed because of her excommunication which was later proven to be null and void post-death. Though technically it was the English state that killed her.
David Walker
Writer, director, producer, and lead game designer is a pagan who hates Christianity. Admits to worshiping pagan gods and hates on the Church via twitter.
I mean, nonchristians can make stuff that appeals to Christians even unintentionally. Mark Twain hated religion, but his book on St. Joan of Arc irronically is great and beloved.
God is so powerful that even the wicked are made to serve him.
Ian Sanchez
The real funny thing is that a christian will not make this game.
Juan Miller
To be fair, it's hard to make a game with direct Christian references without ironically getting accused of either religious extremism or satanism. Think about the "Christian" reaction to Doom. It also doesn't help that christian groups STILL get in a tizzy at the mere suggestion of violence in any sort of media.
The only really directly religious game I can think of that's actually good is the Visceral Dante's Inferno game. Which I still consider to this day to be one of the most fascinating and disturbing depictions of hell in any piece of media ever.
Carter Lopez
I still wish for a PC port of that game to be quite honest famalam.
Jayden Davis
Same, but EA… Need I say more?
Aiden Lee
It's still an unoptimized, broken mess. People in the steam review page for it are still complaining about broken main quests and terrible combat, which is exactly what everyone was saying when it came out.
Varg isn't a pagan, though. In his book about nordic paganism he clearly states his atheism.
Carter Edwards
Maybe if you're Italian. Change that to ~1500 years if you're English/French, and ~1000 years if you're Scandinavian
Samuel Nelson
Oh boy, Zig Forums is here in force today.
Odalism is based on pagan teachings according to the man himself
Oh no, only ONE MILLENNIUM instead of two. Such a short time span… How many generations is that? like 15 minimum? I'd rather lay claim to the post-dark-ages side of European history than a bunch of pagan marauders. Either way it was a joke/meme, so pull the stick out of your ass.
Aaron Butler
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Gavin Jackson
Better we be pagan marauders who worship the moon or something. G8 b8 m8.
Aaron Bell
Nice rebuttal, cuck. The world was in your hands and you lost it. You got NTRed by jews and tiggers, chinks and mudslimes and you don't even realize it.
Jordan Johnson
Go back to your renaissance fair you hammer swinging sodomite.
I don't get it. Are you actually agreeing with what Vavra is saying?
Jason Jenkins
I didn't bother clicking the links. I just saw cringe and cuckpilled and smelled Zig Forums a mile away. Other than that I really don't care about the post.
I don't think you should buy into the crap on that board, but at the very least try not to wear it on your sleeve when you come here by spouting immature vulgarity at the most minor things. At least let there be some buildup of aggression or something.
Also, ironically the term "cuck" is ""cringe"" to me in any context at this point. It's so overused and meaningless at this point. It just means "person who disagrees with me in any argument" now.
Ian Davis
if you clicked the links you would see he is pretty cringe and cuckpilled lol
Tyler Edwards
See, you say those words and even if you're right I'm put off. It's like "problematic". The internet has made me preemptively dislike/distrust anyone who uses those terms unironically.
Aiden Johnson
i understand. but i think this guy is a good example of the average pagan LARPer
Cooper Barnes
OH, I thought you were talking about the poster, not the links.
Connor Campbell
Why do clergymen needs fine robes and gold threads? Gold chalices, extraordinary and expensive cathedrals for their churches? Jesus would be whipping these misguided fools for repeating the same mistakes, so little surprise to me that God wouldn't be giving his guidance to those who aren't willing to listen, and instead pay more attention to their love of wealth and privilege of power over others.
Nicholas Lee
Didn't Solomon cover the entire tabernacle in gold and gems? They don't where "fine robes" 24/7. They are used for mass and that's it. Same goes for "gold chalices" and the "extraordinary expensive cathedrals". It's called reverence.
They patched it, it's pretty solid now, definitely no worse than a Bethesda title. If you're into the whole RPG sandbox thing & want a more "realistic" take than Skyrim it's pretty good imo. A lot of the bad press also came from it being "pro-Christian" (and "pro-Europe"), although I actually thought it was just being neutral in that regard - there's no shortage of corrupt or hedonistic clergy in the game, rulers abuse faith as justification for war - again, a pretty realistic take on that time period.
Jeremiah Morgan
I hope Mount & Blade 2: Warlords Bogaloo will be good. I loved the first. KCD seems a tad too edgy for my tastes.
