I have decided to convert from Roman Catholicism to Orthodox Catholicism. How should I approach an Orthodox priest...

EC =/= EO.

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About what I expected. If all you intend to do is lead the faithful astray, then kindly go back to your containment board.

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If you are nervous, just have dialog with the priest through email at first to get the ball rolling.

Congratulations user, I'm on the same path myself. Was a cradle catholic but just became a catechumen after much research and attending orthodox services for a couple months. Don't worry about the awkwardness, we converts all go through it (my parish is made up mostly of converts), and priests are usually experienced enough to diffuse the tension and know what to do to guide you through everything smoothly, so long as you show an interest.

I only recommend not being too eager about it, to the point that you'd basically ask for a conversion on the spot. The preist has to use his discernment and get to know you first before he can adequately know whether you're ready to become a catechumen. While they love newcomers to the faith, the orthodox take conversion very seriously, and it's not something they hand out like candy. If they sense that you're still "soul searching"/"Church shopping", they will very likely tell you to wait a while until you're certain and your honeymoon phase with Orthodoxy is over. And if you're still around after that, they'll happily invite you to hop on board the ark. But the best way to reassure them that you're committed is to just consistently show up to services as much as you can, and engage with them learn more about the church and its practices. Because if all your conversations with the priest just revolve around you asking for conversion, it's gonna come off as you being misguided or having misplaced intentions.

Other than that, if you're a native English speaker, try to find a parish that does services in English (like the OCA in the US), because that'll likely signal the presence of a priest that's experienced with lots of converts. Not to mention that really understanding what's going on during the liturgy is pretty important to the catechumen process.

also this tbh.

You made the right choice. Welcome, brother. Zig Forums is run by Catholics, so you may not find many of us Orthodox here, but there are other places. God bless you!

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Why?

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Officially the Eastern Orthodox Church is known as "Orthodox Catholic Church", while the Catholic Church is officially the "Roman Catholic Church". Catholic just means universal in Greek, and the Eastern Orthodox Church is universal since it contains all the national Orthodox Churches.

You did the right thing user

How can this possibly be acceptable? Priests could be responsible for someone's damnation by intentionally making them feel like they're not welcome in Christ's church.

based and redpilled but unironically

Besides the nice drawing, that is a low effort meme. The early Christian church did not teach that everyone in the church was equal when it came to ecclesiastical affairs and the government of the church, so the comment that the Orthodox priest makes in the meme is a strawman. Secondly, the fathers did praise Rome and when Rome guarded Orthodoxy which, asides for a few exceptions (Honorius comes to mind) they mostly did, all other churches had to agree with Rome, because Rome taught the faith delivered from the apostles. Yet this duty was not solely Rome's prerogative, and often the lead defenders of Orthodoxy were Easterners. Such was the case at the Third Ecumenical Council where it was Cyril of Alexandria who played the part as guardian of the faith. Also, anyone who has read church letters and documents from the councils know the fathers use, in contradiction to our common language, exceedingly exalted language when speaking to each other. Therefore, Irenaeus saying that all church must agree with Rome because of its superior origin no more proves that Rome has universal jurisdiction or infallibility than the letter St. Avitus of Vienne writes to the Patriarch of Jerusalem proves that Jerusalem had the primacy, writing to him that, "Your Apostleship exercises a primacy granted by God, and seeks to show not by your privileges alone, but also by your merits that you hold pride of place in the Universal Church of God."

Op I would just be yourself and be honest with the priest. I've never met an Orthodox priest who hasn't been welcoming, respectful, and intelligent. It's natural to be nervous, but don't worry, it will be be fine and you'll be glad you contacted him. :)

I really do think that a lot of people who were raised Catholic or even protestant, choose to become Orthodox because it's exotic and not western (boring). It's kind of sad, because western Latin Christianity has so much mystical depth and beauty, but people don't see it because they hate their own culture

Or because Latins don't present their mystical side first and foremost where it can be seen.

Lol people aren't converting to Orthodoxy because they hate Western culture, that's just silly.

Or maybe because the modernists have destroyed our spirituality in favor of novelty… Padre Pio has only been dead for 50 years.

That's just silly? Really? Why do you think the pejorative that makes them recoil the most is "OrthoLARPer"? Because these people are often clueless atheists or superficial "trad" Catholics before their conversion - in reality, they were just looking for something "based" to identify with, to build a personality around, because our society enforces a mono-culture of neoliberalism.

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This is so dumb dude.

I'm not saying there aren't legitimate converts. There is an inordinate amount of Zig Forums LARPers drawn to Eastern Orthodoxy; that is not even debatable.

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Imma take a wild guess and say that was likely hyperbole. But priests do have to use their discernment to judge whether a person is really approaching the faith with a genuine heart and not as a result of misguided expectations. Otherwise, bringing someone into the fullness of the faith who's likely to just fall out again, is much worse. Damnation is effectively certain for anybody who is properly introduced to the faith, but then explicitly rejects its teachings. Which is why they can't just be carelessly put into a situation where they might accidentally do that prematurely. Uncertain damnation is better than certain damnation:
orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/status.aspx

There's an inordinate amount of Zig Forums LARPers drawn to paganism and catholocism as well. Surely you're not just conveniently ignoring all the tradcats E. Michael Jones and the like have brought in? Once people in the west realize that civilization is going to hell, they flock to what's most familiar to them, and often that's Catholicism, not Orthodoxy. Vid related is great example of how the Zig Forums pipeline usually plays out in reality.

From what I have seen, Catholicism is simply "cucked" in the eyes of most Zig Forums types, because of Francis and Vatican II.
lolno.

Imagine being part of the biggest church in the world and trying this hard to act contrarian

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Even if these extremists flock to Orthodoxy, that doesn't means that their views are accepted with them. Quite the contrary, in fact. Just because Orthodox Church is not quite as winnie the poohed as our Roman friends when it comes to modernism, liturgical abuse, clerical scandal one after the other, does not mean that our church is free from such vile invasions, nor that we are a Church of anti-refugee, anti-POC, anti multiculturalism, etc that welcomes such neo-nazi/pagan trash (their views, not them personally persay). Of course, I don't mean any of these terms the way Marxists do, who want weaponized immigration, forced miscegany, and an irrational and stupid love for contradictory, completely opposes cutures existing side by side.

90% of Western/Latin American Catholics today are not Catholic in entirety. Fallen away Catholics still identify as so. It's a sad state of affairs. The pandering of the Church to the modern world was suicide.

From what I've seen they think he's a Jordan Peterson that just calls out Zionism.
Okay? But, for example, they're racialists - EMJ's position on race is always excoriated.
Disagree. While not uncommon, it does take a certain level of derangement and autism to worship runes and engage in the other kooky practices pagans do. Christianity is, simply, more believable and sane.
I think you have to be disingenuous to say that Eastern Orthodoxy isn't the denomination of Christianity which is the darling of Zig Forums. Francis is thoroughly hated (not that I like him… but I am Catholic), and there are many vocal Catholics that are neolibs, and working for the neolib agenda, drawing the ire of Zig Forums. Yet we never hear about Bartholomew, or even the liberal clergy within the OCA.

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I challenge you to find a single EMJ fan that believes that's an accurate characterization of him. Most of his followers don't seem to be particularly on board with JP, regardless of zionism. And either way, you have to be kidding if you don't think he's having a huge influence on the recent tradcat trend. His stuff is literally all over the place now, and it's always commented on by people who agree with him on supporting Catholicism. I don't think I've ever even seen a highly voted YT comment mentioning Orthodoxy on any of his videos.

I doubt the guy in the video you're responding to is a racialist, so I don't see how that's relevant. Much of Zig Forums is concerned with race yes, but racialism is hardly the deciding factor that gets people to become religious, including many atheist Zig Forumsacks. It usually takes something larger (like the impending collapse of civilization) to scare atheists enough into changing their ways.

Also, Zig Forums is much more sympathetic to the whole crusader/"deus vult" mentality than they are to EO's relative weakness and pacifism. The closest thing to an Orthodox "Vatican" is currently under Islamic rule for crying out loud. How on earth would that be satisfying to edgelords paranoid about getting cucked?

You're going to have to clarify what you mean by "his position" here. He's criticized just as often for being "racist" against Jews as he is for downplaying the whole "whiteness" thing. Zig Forumstards that prioritize race above everything else usually become LARPagans or stick to atheism, and those that don't care about it as much become Christian. From there, I don't see any hard evidence to suggest why those leaning towards Christianity would deviate from the general trend in the broader western population of overwhelmingly favoring Catholicism and Protestantism. EO is simply too obscure in the west to be having the kind of influence you're suggesting it has.

yeah to us, but this is Zig Forums we're talking about. Can't view them as being simultaneously rational and irrational depending on what's most convenient for the point you're making.

You're forgetting how popular sects like sedevacantism and the SSPX are online. The biggest Orthodox e-celeb meme is arguably Jay Dyer, and even he only has half the subscribers that vaticancatholic.com has. Sedevacantism is practically Zig Forums manifested in Christian sect form, so I have no idea how you don't think that would be the most attractive Christian option for them. I doubt most Zig Forumsacks actually become sedes mind you, because again, it's still super obscure.

People complain about the EP in orthodox circles all the time. What you're showcasing here is just proving my point that Orthodoxy in the west in general is still incredibly obscure. The OCA is also super tiny and poor, to the point that it isn't even recognized as being independent by other EO churches. If you're expecting an obscure jurisdiction within an obscure denomination to get a ton of attention, you should probably re-evaluate things a bit. The OCA also isn't nearly as scandalous as some of the stuff other jurisdictions are doing, but that's a whole other unnecessary detour.

And you sound like you're just LARPing as a Latin because "MUH WESTERN CULTURE". Seriously though, I am Orthodox because the Roman Catholic Church is filled with heresy and degeneracy.

Granted, the last post I saw of someone complaining about an ordodogs priest being rude/dismissive was a few months ago. I should have taken screencaps.

Exactly. Maybe cradle Catholics don't realize this, but I (and many others) have never considered or even thought about Catholicism until anons on here got me to research and consider it. I've had little interaction with Catholics prior to attending my first Mass, and I live in a state with a 20% Catholic population. The only churches that existed to me were Protestant ones, and the only times I heard about Catholicism were regarding the sexual abuse crisis. If Zig Forums is going to flock to any particular denomination, it's going to be what's REALLY familiar to them, such as the denom they were raised or a more conservative variant of it (IFB, LCMS, etc.).

Both of you are LARPing HARD in two different directions.

It's definitely Summer.

Quit being a dick and an idiot.

Not really the best motivation tbh

We do, nobody looks. Lukewarm Catholics exist for the same reason Orthos are low af in america and the world in general: people don't care enough to try.

I was raised Catholic but almost became protestant until the way people talked about the Solas rubbed me the wrong way, even as someone who knew jack about Christianity. Prior to that, I sort of just went to PSR and Mass because I had to, and didn't really care. Then I became a Marxist Athiest in early Highschool, an Alt-Righter in Late Highschool and early college, and finally a Devout Catholic. bit of a rollercoaster to say the least.

I was initially evangelized by Presbyterians and Methodists though. I had contemplated both Catholicism and Orthodoxy, but found myself more drawn to Catholicism in the end. The Orthodox just seemed closed off to a negative degree, and their views on the Church fathers were bizarre to me, having read St. Augustine's works.

The Zig Forums crap about blood and soil was a major influence as well in all honesty, but that's a position I could also have held of any denom as a mix of Eastern European and German descent.

It's their own fault speaking from experience, not the fault of the church. Being a Catholic takes effort, effort most people aren't willing to put in. even when the church is accommodating. They identify as it because they have some vague emotional attachment to it, but it's their lie not the Church's. Constant insistence that hyper conservatism is the only way to restore the church misses the core of the issue. The church has made itself as accessible too the laity as possible. The only other conclusion is that it's the Laity's fault for falling away. Those who have true devotion will do the work, those who don't will fall away. The only issue is that they still identify as catholic in polls.
Have you been on Zig Forums recently? It's an Atheist/Pagan shitshow atm, and has been for years.
Constant concern over internal politics in the church as a member of the laity misses the point of faith an obedience. The leadership of the church doesn't change the entirety of the church. We are no a hive mind. And at the same time I would say that regardless of alignment the reality is that most church leaders act with what they feel is in the church's best interest. I know that's a much more bitter pill to swallow than conspiratorial nonsense, but if you understand human nature it's the most likely case.

I work with Benedictines, and we live our lives detached from church politics because all such concerns do is get in the way of our faith. We follow church doctrine and leadership, but we are devoted to Christ above all.

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They said the same thing about Jesus Christ. The Truth hurts and the Truth is that there is only One and Holy Church the God Himself established.

The truth doesn't have to be conveyed confrontationally though. You do more harm than good that way. You are the fruit of the church, try not to be so rotten towards others.

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What if he decides to join a Greek church though?

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