When did you realize that moral relativism was misleading

I agree. Let's destroy the capitalist neoliberals on the left and right.

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This actually. True evil is caused by the culmination of bad decisions by men or demonic influence. God allows evil because he uses it to create a significantly more powerful good. Remember God also considers you coming and joining him in heaven to be a supreme good so death itself is not evil though most people try to use that as some justification for evil existing.

Used to be a feminist and it was when I realized that female genital mutilation is so wrong that there is no context in which it is morally right. That was a big step for me in eventually finding God.

Eddie Gallagher did nothing wrong.
That story was made up by cowards that had a grudge against him.

That's interesting. It's interesting that your first reaction was to turn to God. It was almost impossible for me to turn to God back when I used to browse Zig Forums because I believed everything Zig Forums said about Christianity. I don't know how you managed it. It was the severity of my psychosis that caused me to turn to God. I ran out of options.

By EMJ, you mean E. Michael Jones, surely? I say this because a google search for "e michael jones qunari" returns nothing useful.

When I started to understand that sexual immorality erodes our societies and ruins individual lives. Also when I saw how sodomites really hate Christianity.

I never believed in it to be honest. Man growing up saying you were gay was an insult I never understood how it changed.

When I realized for it to work at all you must treat it as objective anyway.

Oh I had a major event involving meditating, the Frog demon and my guardian angel that did it. Also never fully buying into the anti Christ meme.

Some of the earliest recognitions of it for me come from when i was an edgy teen and a discordian. Discordianism teaches a watered down relativist understanding of kantian metaphysics.

The ideology presents little issues – "cracks in the mask" of relativism. Every relativist will tell you about how traditional values and moral points are just cultural whims that arent absolute. So for instance, your views on sex, order, marriage, etc…all of these are relative and can/should be changed if you want.

…but as soon as you raise the question of whether ideas like anti-racism, genocide as evil, etc, are also just whimsical positions that arent actually true, you cause a scuffle, because it arouses cognitive dissonance in the relativists – it reveals that they do hold certain truths as being more real than others, and so their philosophy is exposed as a lie, or at best, a complex prosetylizing meme designed to force their enemies into changing their beliefs to become like themselves (e.g. the "X has a closed mind" meme).

the rest just comes from observation. If we can assume that physics are uniform, certain acts will be the most efficient at promoting or hampering certain ends in general. If certain ends can be classed as "good", then this means that certain categories of acts are inherently good.

The question just becomes "what is the good", which is the question of all philosophy and religion.

Duh
Was a reference to this
dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Qun

Who on earth are you. I've seen you before shilling your bizarre Dragon Age thing, like literally know one knows this. You think someone it's something that people know about. Where on earth do you come from?

It's a small board, and i've been here since almost it was founded.
I am free to criticize whatever fringe flavour-of-the-month e-celebrity gets shilled nowadays.
Some of that criticism talks about how his ideas resemble fantasy confucianism.
Pretty simple.

You surely most be trolling here. The guy is an scholar that has studied his subjects for 40 years and has written numerous lenghty books and has talked hundreds of hours to numerous people in 1-hour interviews.
You can see his oldest youtube appearance here, in 1996, when he was already very advanced in his intellectual life.
So calling him a "e-celeb" truly is to be ignorant or trolley.
And since you claimed that people are shilling him, let me sent you to all the books he has written, you'll see that his knowledge truly comes from a point of substance.
culturewars.com/books.htm

In that case, surely he has had an impact somewhere, his works have been quoted countless times, and influenced certain schools of thought.
I mean, i consider i think Chomski and Peterson to be way overrated by their fanboys, too, but atleast they had a graspable influence in their fields.

I listened to the first half hour.
Once you go past the Tristan & Isolde and greek play references, it's an endless repetition of his 2 sentence logic:
Even his Anti-Logos woo is pretty much these 2 ideas, except he added "God is Good, therefor perverts and other sinners are ungodly" to the start.

Besides that, he's just saying "everyone that disagreed with me turned out to be a pervert", and telling a think thank that thinks academia are leftists out to get them, how academics are a bunch of communist perverts that are ruining society.

Looking over the titles and the descriptions, besides "The Mississippi Flows into the Tiber", it's an endless variation of 5 ideas smashed together in random ways.

Got any evidence to back that up? Or are you the fringe contrarian yourself?

Back what up?
That we are small?
That im an Zig Forums oldfag?
Ive already shown why Jones sounds like he comes from the world of Dragon Age

After getting introduced to Jordan Peterson trough his online Bible and Maps of Meaning lectures. He explained in some of his lectures that moral relativism works only in theory and not in practice.

In practice you want to do what's good for you, what's good for your family and what's good for greater society too.

There are not many ways in which you can act that can alleviate your suffering, but also at the same time support the structure of society.

There are absolute moral axioms that are good. We know that they are good because societies that live by those axioms get stronger and more prosperous and societies that ignore them fall apart and destabilize.

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Peterson was a big influence on me as well

It's easy to oversimplifcate everything and trying to turn it in ridicule to discredit anyone.
I don't understand why do you have a problem against EMJ, for no rational reason whatsoever.
You really smell like a shill or worst, a /r/Christian lukewarm christian.

That's it, though.
He's just trying to impress people thinking he's saying something deep and varied, by quoting stuff in german, and classical literature, but his ideas, once you strip all that, are repetitive and simplistic.

He seems to be good at greek, though, i think.
A couple of posters keep trying to inject his crap into any discussion any chance they get, for the last couple of months.

Ive said it countless times.
His theological stuff is either heretical, or technically orthodox, but dime a dozen.
Both of these options means he's not worth wasting time on.

EMJ is an islamophile. It's all over his books. Martin Luther was a "Horny monk". Mohammed had some honest misunderstandings. All my LOLs. Almost every "Anti semite" real or otherwise becomes an Islamophile.

There are Mohammedan rape gangs who target White Christians (majority) and minority Sikh girls (notice, so they'll rape White and Indian/Brown, why not Muslim/Brown or White Muslim converts? It's religiously motivated).

But EMJ says DON'T HATE THEM. IT's THE JEWS. DON'T GENERALIZE THE MUSLIMS, BUT GENERALIZE THE JEWS. Hahah what a winnie the pooh cuck.

Funny how the internet works. The moment you're famous and become a public figure you're supposed to be perfect and appease everyone, else you're either an idiot or a cuck. How about we recognize that his work is leading thousands of people out of porn and progressive subversion and into the catholic church. He has helped me entirely reject things like gay marriage and convert into catholicism for example.
Well Jordan Peterson isn't even explicity christian. EMJ is perfectly orthodox and i agree that we shouldn't be put into every discussion, nor he is a theologian, but i think he is still very valuable. He obviously the only person a christian/catholic should listen to, but he has bore good fruit.

You have a very low threshold for declaring someone famous, lol.

If all i wanted was to hear that stuff, i could get a sermon on the subject from some random imam, and would get the same message, except without all the pseudo-intellectual cruft.
But i guess it's all the same for your muzzie-lover idol.

Of course he ins't "famous" but he's a public figure now, a relatively famous person in our circles. And as soon as this type of person have differing opinions on a subject that isn't popular with the demographic, or is even wrong about something, that persons suddenly becomes an shill or something like that.
How many people have these imams convinced through reason that X is bad for society? And what are you doing to convince people to go to church and abandon sinfulness?
You are the one who seems to make idols of people. I simply recognize the good but also the shortcomings of Jones.

No, he's a nobody that no one on this site knew about, until 2 posters started spamming about him recently.
To go "well, everyone knows him now" is like saying that that crappy Game of Throne browser game is a work of art we should debate about, because you see ads for it everywhere.
Quite a few. Why?
yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem
Which are?
Whenever i ask his fanboys what he does wrong, or is wrong about, i never get an answer.

I'm going to have disagree with you there, he is fairly known in tradicionalist circles, have done interviews with more proiminent people, and is expanding into my country as well. Also i talked about him fairly famous because as soon as a person is a public figure, if he commits one mistake or has different opinion that you disagree with, he's a shill or a cuck or w/e. You yourself commits mistakes and probably has opinions that i disagree with, yet i don't call you a cuck or a shill or a fool. Reasonable debate is important and respect is necessary. Insults reeks of immaturity.
Well, good for you, but EMJ is doing it in a big scale and i don't see the bad in that. Maybe you don't see him as useful because you maybe be a mature christian, but there are lot of newbie lukewarm christians and even unbelievers who are disellusioned with the modern world that have known the truth about gay marriage, porn, as weapons agains't society. Even myself, someone who was always conservative knew very little about those things until i saw his videos.
For one i agree with you about muslims. I hate islam and i think Mohammed was a terrorist, he definitevely should read up more on islam. I think his conception of Logos is okay but nothing deep. I think him more of an historian, sociologist and researcher rather than theologian.
I think i saw you on other threads bashing him. It seemed like a personal issue..but i don't mean any hostility. You're free to dislike Jones, but i think he has his merits.

When "moral relativists" weren't actually moral relativists. They were people who simply inverted their moral principles, claiming that evil was a virtue and that good was a vice. They demand freedom for criminals, but will restrict law abiding citizens that offend them.

Being an "oldfag" gives you now credibility. Also, I can say some bullshit as well, like I'm a well renowned theologian (I'm not). Also you give no evidence of this "dragon age" thing. You just came here, made a claim, and backed it uo with no evidence whatsoever. For someone you claim to be, you brought no persuasive arguments.

*No credibility

He is an idiot when he writes books on Islam calling it just a misunderstanding, calls Islam Sola Scriptura, call Hadiths as commentary of the Quran, has never heard of Bukhari. But he knows about Islam cause "Listen, I've been to Mosques, I know about…". His argumentation for most things are "Listen, I lived in Germany… " "Listen, I was in India".

His logic is really bad at a lot of things. And he's leading thousands of people to become Islamophile. Owen Benjamin for example now is a total islamophile. He considers it a great religion and says Peace Be Upon Him whenever he says Mohammed. All so called Anti-Semites become Islamophiles because thats a big market for them. Know More Knews is another anti Jewish youtube channel and it's filled with Muslims and Muslim converts.

Sigh.
I've been here since we were doing threads reading and commenting St. Augustine's works.
Since before we even had an election for a patron saint of the board.
At one point, we wanted to make a charity drive.

And yes, when it comes to saying "EMJ was never mentioned on Zig Forums until very recently", "i've been here since shortly after this place got founded" is a valid argument.

It's pretty much Asit tal-eb, except EMJ went a bit Plato's theory of forms about it.

Never heard of him myself, and i know a ton of fringe speakers and authors.

That wasn't me.
I just called his theology likely heretical, and def. pseudo-intellectual and overrated.

In that case, him getting into online beefs with people, implying anyone they didn't like is a pervert, and writing entire books just to talk smack about them makes him the most childish of us all.

Problem is, his ideas can and do lead to heretical conclusions pretty easily(someone in one thread understood that Jones was talking about white people as "the racial embodiment of Logos" which is heretical on a bunch of levels. Also see )
For crying out loud, we have 2000 years of christian theology.
We need to be selective in the stuff we support, especially for people still "on milk", and not just think any faggot with a microphone that hates on jews, thots and "le clown world" is some talented sage we should listen to, regardless of his area of expertise.

Atleast on that we agree.

It's nothing personal.
I just consider him wrong, and a symptom of this board's unhealthy leanings towards considering anyone that speaks stuff they like to hear their greatest and wisest friends with which "they have so much in common".

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It's been a while since I've been on here.

Is Rush Limbaugh a Jew lover?

He's a neocon, its required