Alcohol, drug -- Addiction thread

Now this is a flat-out lie if I ever read one.
Your body can handle a fair amount of regular ethanol (compared to other alcohols) and drinking a beer or two will not do much.
If you really believe this you should never EVER eat fruit or drink fruit juice again in your life.
Heck, I'd avoid processed sugars and possibly even bread.
This all said our Lord drank wine (and possibly beer) Himself, which means that alcohol is per definition not degenerate.
Drunkenness is of course, but the regular use of alcohol isn't.

Caffeine does nothing except preventing you from sleeping, countering hunger and letting your stomach make more acid.
How the frick is this degenerate?

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I've done almost every drug there is. Extensive use of Alcohol and Weed too, since this is always a question. Weed is definitely not good to use and worse than Alcohol and do not think that there is a casual use of weed. Weed is a psychedelic, low grade but it is. At very high doses you'll hallucinate, see patterns and stuff similar to LSD/Shrooms etc. This does not happen on opiates, alcohol etc.

I know opiate heads, their brain yeah it's bad but still there, stim users.. well it's bad, but there's nothing like a psychedelic hippie freak. They are literally not even close to reality at all. That stuff really has the potential to totally wreck your mind in ways that's just not possible with other stuff. But because it seems somewhat benign, people almost promote it. This stuff is not obvious to people who have limited experience with it, and by limited, it's hard to say what I mean by it. But many people who have had quite a bit of experience, but enough not to be completely fried share this point of view.

Abusing alcohol, stims, opiates etc is more of a simple drive a lot of the time. Sure, there's some escapism, but it's like yeah just feel pleasure, some euphoria, straight and direct, simple. Okay think of it this way, it's just like say straight wacking off, maybe not even looking at porn, just the physical sensation and you're done. Psychedelics is like some next level baloon fetish bdsm roleplay that winnie the poohs with your head. And myself personally I've always been very lucid and the least of anyone that I knew to ever really "trip" at all. But I can tell how it can get bad, very bad. You're just fundamentally able to think very very differently. Well the main thing they do is destroy your ability to identify loops. So you can go on thought loops and not realize it's a loop and terminate, and you'll go on a spiral for a long time and get lost. If you don't retain the power to be able to break out it can go for a very long time and that's how people "trip out". I could always retain that to a very good amoutn so I could always snap out of it and play with it but many people can't. But that erodes over time so much so that it even weakens it when you're sober.

Anyways weed is a low grade psych and has far more personality effects on you than casual drinking and there are many many reasons why weed is a far worse idea than alcohol, even though it may not seem that way. It's deceptively bad. I could really write forever about this stuff, and believe me I know most people may not think this way especially if you have some experience with it.

Here's my question which didn't get answered in the QTDDTOT thread; I don't blame anyone for it, there's much more important manners going on right there and it's pretty silly… but

If I have quasi-chronic inflammation problems or some form of inflammation usually showing up and giving me physical pain sooner or later, would it be particularly sinful to smoke hashish to relieve the inflammation? I don't have it that bad, but I understand CBD and THC combined can certainly have a positive effect. I don't drink otherwise anyway, or is that bargaining? I'm not breaking the law doing this where I live but of course no law means as much as… well, anyway… I would, of course, limit my use very conservatively, but I would still use, do you reckon I am going into a little too unrepentant a territory by allowing myself such a thing? On account of I'd be lying if I told you I wasn't also going to be… recreational about it, at the same time.

This is what I posted. I have little experience with any drugs at all, just some social drinking and weed use here and there in a class of people to whom it's the most common thing. But perhaps other anons would like to share their thoughts

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winnie the pooh that is terrifying, it's a pretty common sight of course, I don't understand why everyone isn't as opposed to psychedelics. Spiritual people use it all the time but I guess it's just coincedence those are the most emotionally braindead and strange people around. I know of similar cases where people's personalities downright disintegrate. It's really scary, you talk to someone and it's like talking to someone with Down syndrome; there's something just not there.

Did you talk about this with you physician? I don't think medical cannabis (assuming such a thing exists) is sinful, but it's better to talk to a specialist on this issue. Maybe you can find some sort of non-psychoative medication for your problem?

You will NEVER get an honest discussion about drug use on here as mods have a hardon for leaving the thread up but shadowbanning and dissenting opinions even if backed by scripture.

Interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing user.
I had one person tell me that, saying she looked around her room and saw dragons flying around her room, became paranoid that people were standing outside her bedroom door and trying to spy through the (2nd floor) windows, and other weird stuff. She genuinely felt her life was in danger. Despite that, she still claims weed cannot make you hallucinate, because weed idolatry.
Indeed. All the pot smokers I've met are very cultish… they treat weed as a god; they hold it in the highest regard, becoming highly agitated if it is criticized, claim "it isn't addictive", "no one can become dependent upon it", "it only has positive effects", "the world would be a better place if everyone smoked it", etc.. Just hearing a weed idolater talk about their plant for 5 minutes is enough to scare me away from that filth for a lifetime, even for medicinal use.

More often than not a gateway to recreational use.

Medicinal cannabis could help, I'd say try it and see how you react.
Don't know that much about weed but there are strains and different kinds, one will turn you completely DUDE WEED LMAO while others have a very limited effect.
Obviously try going for the latter one.

Let me guess, you think all herbs being for our use means we’re supposed to consume hallucinogens.

I believe in what the bible says.

I think that most drugs that are used recreationally are dangerous, including alcohol. Many people I know, especially younger ones, have poor impulse control; 1 drink becomes 3, 3 becomes 9, etc. It's a similar story for me, but I haven't found the proper will to really dig in my heels and change my behaviors, it's been mostly half-assed.

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Why don’t you elaborate? Lots of people love to take a single verse and twist the meaning in their favor. You’re not one of those people are you?

Alcohol is not a drug. This is a brand-new opinion being pushed by progressives to normalize recreational hallucinogens.
From an article on onepeterfive.com, a catholic site:
G.K. Chesterton makes an important point regarding the extremes of excess and defect when it comes to drinking: “The dipsomaniac and the abstainer are not only both mistaken, but they both make the same mistake. They both regard wine as a drug and not as a drink.” Those who push back against a Catholic critique of drugs claim that drugs are made from natural substances and thus, like alcohol, can be seen as the fruit of God’s creation. What is the difference in the enjoyment derived from them?, they ask. The need to answer this question now presses urgently upon us as the acceptance of drugs grows in our country.

The first distinction we need to make to reply to this objection comes from recognizing that beer and wine are foodstuffs. They come not just from natural substances (uranium is a natural substance), but from substances used for normal human consumption. Like the components from which they are made, beer and wine are naturally healthy and should be consumed as part of an overall healthy diet. As a foodstuff, Aquinas defends the consumption of alcohol as permitted within the Gospel’s lifting of the prohibition against normal food and drink: “No meat or drink, considered in itself, is unlawful, according to Matthew 15:11, ‘not what goes into the mouth defiles a man, but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.’” Though already considered “clean” in the Old Covenant, beer and wine would pass the muster set forth in Matthew’s Gospel. Other natural substances, including plants used to produce drugs, would not pass this test; they are not foodstuffs and intrinsically harm the body. Many people claim that both caffeine and alcohol are drugs because they alter the body and the functioning of the brain. If we followed this logic, we would have to admit that just about everything we consume is a drug, because all food and drink impact the body and brain in some way. If we look at the differences among caffeine, alcohol, and drugs, we can draw some distinctions:

Caffeine does not impair normal brain functioning.
Alcohol in moderate use does not impair normal brain functioning, but immoderate use does.
Drugs in ordinary use impair normal brain functioning.

Alcohol is per definition a drug, it just doesn't mean it's evil LSD-tier or harmful in low doses.

Read the above instead of asserting this falsehood yet again. READ IT.

I like this one because it seems that the countries which think of alcohol this way culturally also tend to have lower incidence of alcoholism.

Absolutely not, but you do you man.

I think substance abuse is a symptom. Say the actual disease is depression; the depression may stem from wrath, turned inward. Gluttony or sloth could as easily be the culprit, regardless the misuse stems from sin, not substance. It is not a sin to drink alcohol, nor to feel its effects, but only to submit and be willfully overtaken by it. The same goes for all other substances, from nicotine to psilocybin. Many are unaware that an extraordinary dose of nicotine is psychedelic, or that psilocybin in a microscopic dose is a mild stimulant.
I understand the slippery slope I present, but what Christian refuses benadryl on religious grounds? Take an entire box of benadryl, or drink three bottles of nyquil, and you will realize that psychedelia (pharmakeia) is an expression of idolatry through excess, just as it is with wine.

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Is caffeine bad? I'm trying to lower my caffeine intake

All it does is increase awakeness. Everything in moderation though.

Those two verses have nothing at all to do with the abstentionist position.

Also before you spew more ignorance, not a single verse has to do with it.

You claimed that alcohol should NOT be part of a healthy diet, which *contradicts* the inspired word of God.
I'm convinced you're dyslexic. "Stop drinking only water, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments (1 Tim. 5:23)." It literally says it right there.

merriam-webster.com/dictionary/drug

Of a normal or overall , as in regularly, healthy diet, as you said in your post. In my original one I clearly don't object to the use of drugs as medicine, but I think it should be avoided as much as possible. In addition to this, these means Paul advises may no longer be necessary in a modern health setting. I don't suppose we'll be rubbing fish gall on blind men also now, will we? None of this has to do with abstentionism.

1a : a substance used as a medication or in the preparation of medication
b according to the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act
(1) : a substance recognized in an official pharmacopoeia or formulary (see FORMULARY sense 3)
(2) : a substance intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease
prescription drugs
drugs for treating high blood pressure
(3) : a substance other than food intended to affect the structure or function of the body
(4) : a substance intended for use as a component of a medicine but not a device or a component, part, or accessory of a device
2 : something and often an illegal substance that causes addiction, habituation (see HABITUATION sense 2b), or a marked change in consciousness
keeping teens off drugs
heroin and other hard drugs
3 : a commodity that is not salable or for which there is no demand (see DEMAND entry 1 sense 3a) —used in the phrase drug on the market

Wine is food. Source: the Bible. Wine in a healthy amount seems to fit any of the above.

I never claimed wine wasn't food, neither that beer wasn't.
The molecule ethanol, better known as "alcohol", which is found back in wine and beer, is, although part of the food, a drug per definition.
It's sedative, slows reaction rate, blurs vision etc. in too high doses.
Wine isn't a drug, ethanol is, but it's found in food like wine.
There is nothing wrong with ethanol being a drug, nor taking ethanol in the form of wine.
It still is, however, a drug.

A simple distinction. THC for instance blocks neurotransmitters in any dosage. Ethanol does not block neurotransmitters, and this is not pharmekeia.

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Low dosage alcohol already slows reaction rates although not enough to be any problem (I wouldn't start training after a beer though).
THC also works on your brain in low doses but not enough to have any noticeable effects.
I never even argued if alcohol was pharmakeia or not but apparently if you guys don't strawman your point isn't made.

Whatever mental gymnastics you make alcohol like caffeine and THC and LSD is a DRUG but you guys apparently lack the mental capacity to realize that drugs is just a term to group molecules with a broadly similar effect and not necessarily a bad thing.

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Allow me to clear something up. When I use the term drug (recreational, not medicinal) I am referring to pharmekeia: and intentionally induced hallucinogenic state via herbs, felt at any dosage.

Quit everything.