The Decentralization Hype Circus

Not to mention the official government of the Internet, the W3C, is working hard to block these projects off forever!

All hail Lord Google!

It's amazing to see all of Zig Forums finally embrace and share the love of Lord Google! We are all submit to Their glory!

Decentralcucks BTFO lol

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Brilliant idea, too bad nobody told them the Internet was already invented. There's only centralization on jewgle, faceberg, etc because people want it, anyone who doesn't want to use their tracking doesn't. DNS is distributed, and obviously web servers are too.
What's the advantage over more mature tech like Freenet?

Load balancing is not the same thing as distributed internet. Your web site is still on one single central server, whether that's actually three servers behind a balancer or not the end result is the same. Your server goes down, your website vanishes.

The only thing that's actually distributed on present day internet is DNS and torrents.

OP says web, not websites. The web itself is distributed.

Step 1: convince normies to use bittorent over i2p.
Step 2: run a cjdns node.
Step 3: donate to GNUNet and Freenet projects.

You sure showed them with that cuckchan meme.

Now. It's not that they can't. It's that they won't. They don't give a fuck.

What do most "casual end users" want? Access to Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, online shopping (mostly Amazon, iTunes, and a few other major sites), Netflix, Hulu, Youtube, webmail (usually Gmail), Google search, a couple major porn sites, and the fairly limited things they need for school or work.

You know what they don't want? Anything on Freenet. Or IPFS. Or any "zite" on ZeroNet. Can they shop for the same things on a "decentralized web" that they can on Amazon? Are their friends on the "decentralized web" on Decentra-Snap and Distributed-Book? Can they pay bills, turn in assignments on their university's LMS, or email a report to their boss on this "decentralized web"? Until you can answer yes to all of these questions, the vast majority of people will not only not give a fuck about muh decentralization, they won't even have the patience to hear you talk about it and will probably suspect that you're a creepy nerd pedophile.

Once again, decentralizationcucks BTFO. Fucking call off all these projects. They will die and possibly be banned soon.

You sure showed actual aware people like with your meme protocol.

It's shit that normies will never care about. Silicon Valley talking heads will continue to dominate the world, fucking give this shit up already.

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What's wrong?

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Ad hominem won't stop Zuckerberg from becoming POTUS son. It's too late for decentralization.

1. For popular decentralization the software isn't there yet.
2. Many decentralization software projects are dead.
3. The goals of 'decentralization' are often not well defined.
4. Decentralization advocates on this board often don't understand what the software they're advocating does and what its flaws are.
5. They're autists that do not understand what a project needs to be to become successful.

I'm seeing some great arguments here. Keep it up, /g/.

Why is this thread filled with nothing but shills? Is this a bot thread?

watch it explode and die again and again like crypto

When did crypto ever die though?

What would the FTC's reaction be right now to a merger proposal between Alphabet & Faceberg?

Organic and esoteric memes, praise Schmidt.

"again and again"

There are too many /ideaguy/s and none of them offer an implementation that could trully be called an alterlative to already established ways. Look at any of the latest decentralized solutions and you'll find somewhere on the "About" page words "Together we can build the free and open Internet." And that's the problem: "Together". Your Average Joe doesn't have enough brain power nor time to do something like that. Normalfags want to just consume content and you have to take that into consideration when trying to make some kind of a "ground-breaking invention for the good of all mankind". is right: until you offer them an actual alternative to Google Search, Facebook or Twitter don't expect a "revolution". On top of that, most of the developers behind all these decentralized technologies don't want to actively force them. Trully, this industry is in need of some brutal evangelists.

I don't actually give a flying fuck about the web anymore. W3C, facebook, google, etc. pozzed the shit out of it. At this point, I'm only interested in archaic shit like gopher, usenet, and telnet/ssh BBS. I'll still browse some websites that work in Links/Lynx type browser, but fuck ever doing any actual work on web-related shit.

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Decentralization simply doesn't work because it's inefficient and incapable of self-regulation. Centralization (monopoly) is the natural trend of capitalism and of all society. Even "decentralized" technology like BitTorrent actually depends on centralized repositories to actually store and organize torrents. If you disagree, you're a stupid anarchist. We must seize the servers of the internet, not waste our energies on idealistic "decentralized" networks that inevitably get swamped with CP.

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Bittorrent itself is decentralized. Normalfagweb HTTP clients for downloading .torrent files are not decentralized. Just because the content they serve is related to bittorrent, does NOT mean that they are bittorrent. This is the crux of the issue, this is what IPFS claims to solve.

Not true at all, just because that's the popular method doesn't mean it's the only method. Tribler is maybe the most popular example where this was not the case, but really you can use anything at all to organize and distribute torrent hashes.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribler

Check out Steemit; it's a pretty gentle intro into decentralized blockchain type stuff. Full of non-technical people.

I am surprised I don't hear more about Steemit on here. Many of you chaps could easily earn real $$. I got paid USD $400+ for writing a hardware review, not long after starting. You have to be a decent writer, and you have to work at it a bit .. but it's pretty easy money. Across between english class, social networking, social networking, and gaming (there is all sorts of shit you can do to jack up the $$ you earn.)

Kinda fun too.. you roll out an article, with no idea of what you will earn. Might be $0.10, or it might be $1,000.00. It's like fishing.

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Oh you mean crypto-reddit? There's a reason we don't talk about it, decentralcuck.

Exactly. They won't use it because Silicon Valley will eventually FUD the fuck out of it, just like Tor.

How is centralized website hosting for your shitty reddit blogs "decentralized"? If it is, is there a way to read it without a browser? How do they cope with spam and CP?

Go astroturf somewhere else, retard

That is not fucking accurate at all. You probably think the BSD license is a cuck license too, eh??

Steem is the blockchain (and an internal currency.)
Steemit is a web site that uses the Steem blockchain.

And yes, you can read it without a browser, and post to the blockchain without a browser. You don't need to use Steemit to use the Steem blockchain. It is just an application. Like Dtube, or whatever else.

I must have missed the memo .. what exactly is so bad about it?

Their website looks like Web 2.5 bullshit broken without js.
I still don't get why it is better than any other Blog-Reddit clones like Medium or Zig Forums.
Can I post to it without giving it my phone number, state id and full palm prints?
What stops the flood, spam and who decides what content is allowed or not?
Give me a client that's not just another web browser please.
Who exactly owns the blockchain? Are there any real people/servers who keep the distributed shit like in buttcoin or is it just a buzzword with data on central server?

1. The web site sucks, I totally agree. It's a first attempt at creating a usable interface to the blockchain, and it definitely sucks.
2. No central authority. Not owned by a corporation. You get paid.
3. Yes, there are ways to get on the network anonymously. There is a service devoted to it, though I have not used it, don't know its name. It's known though.
4. It costs money to post. You only get a certain amount of space. There is tonnes of nsfw stuff on there, but I have not seen CP. I honestly don't know how that shit is kept out. I've just never seen it.
5. There is cliwallet and piston, as a start. And libraries for the popular languages for interfacing with the blockchain.
6. I don't really know how to answer this question. No one owns the blockchain.. it is created by witness servers, who are voted in by Steem users. Some are hobbyists, others are professional. Highest ranking one is a Steem developer.

Honestly some of it is still magic to me. I found it only a few weeks back. But I have not been censored, I've seen no CP, I've made money, and I can see the potential in it. It's rough and there are things to bitch about, but .. it ain't fuckin' reddit.

Yet the vast majority of people use centralized torrent repos, because that's how society functions.

I still don't fucking know what lowlife shit still has hope for decentralization. We're all gonna have to adapt to the era of Silicon Valley consumerism or die.

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so ready for prime time

How about just download all the data and then turn off the Internet. Don't even need any fancy blockchains technology or whatever. Just some big hard disks is good enough.

Jesus christ dude, we're talking about the future and you're still stuck on what normalfags are using.

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Not sure what point you're trying to make. Just because the majority does one thing doesn't mean other method are impossible, as I demonstrated. You can post a hash anywhere, it doesn't have to be on a centralized service. Host them on IPFS, Freenet, Tribler, wherever you want.

The people who use torrents are a minority in themselves, speaking about the majority of them seems arbitrary. If you're wondering how decentralized services will be used the majority doesn't matter, your average HTTP user doesn't know anything about CDNs but obviously take advantage of them, they don't know anything about TLS but use them just fine, the people who pull these technologies forward are obviously not users but developers of a service. If browser vendors decide to incorporate this tech and service providers take advantage of that then users will be using it, that's how it's always been, look at Javascript, Flash, HTML5, Web Sockets, WASM, et al.

Users didn't just decide to use javascript one day, the service providers and browser vendors did. The majority really doesn't matter, it's in the hands of a small team of developers.

What a disaster of a thread.

this, nuke this thread mods
we need to start anew

convincing normies to use torrents is already fucking hard, I can't even imagine the rest

Zig Forums is a bot board due to the lack of mods who give half a shit.

I believe the point user is trying to make is that while the torrent protocol is decentralized and the listing can be done on a decentralized manner, it is much more efficient and natural to perform this last task through a centralized institution: trackers to communicate peers, and torrent listings for the end user to pick from. Decentralizing this part of the process would imply that every client would somehow have to find the rest, wasting tons of computational power on that task.

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u mad bro??? lol :^)

>>>/cuckchan/ or kys rapefugee

Is this some kind of anti-decentralization PsyOps by GCHQ or NSA done by associating liberation from Jewgle/Faceberg/twatter/PRISM with being a nu-male loser?

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Probably tbh. They love trying out new things.

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Remember that this time they are going to use our own memes against us: be on guard!

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I think it's more likely to be one of weev's butt buddy IRC friends having a 'funpost'
please learn how to sage

Is that bad?

Are there any decentralized/p2p networking projects that seem promising right now?

i cant tell if this is spam advertising or autism

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Lol pipedream. Everyone of Zig Forums agrees.

Not I.

i don't think so, nigga

Do you really think such a shit thread would actually do... whatever the fuck you were trying to do?

How many of your favourite sites use the gopher protocol? Did you watch all the anime you collected on HD DVD?

No it's just accepting that this shit is a pipedream at best. See .

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I tried it before.
No. You have to give a phone number and wait some number of days for the sign up process. Because everything is monetized they want to absolutely reduce botting, fake accounts and faked actions that reward money.

Nothing as far as I can tell. They're very particular about the sign up process.

Don't know this one.

Don't know this one.

Please give me IPFS in I2P soon.

Big Tech is the future. Submit or be destroyed.

It's hyped but on the wrong side for example mastodon was hyped and not gnu social ?
Why is their for example a blocklist who banned the biggest Gnu social instances to interact with Mastodon instances ?
Why is that list made by a Microsoft employee ?
Why is the Microsoft employee also a W3C member ?
Why is Webber (part of the FSF) shilling for W3C adoption of a protocol (ActivityPub) and not Ostatus which has exactly the same functions of Ostatus but with more bugs ?

It's a way of controlled opposition.
If people really wanted decentralization people would go on Gnunet and even that project has been infected by snowflakes.

Exfuckingcactly. The hype is all bullshit fake, and is going to be destroyed very soon.

No

this tbh fam

Sorry we called out your controlled opposition cuckchanner.

hype has no bearing on anything. we need good decentralizated software/protocols and we don't have any. freenet is a start. this has been the state for a decade or two. if it's good, elite will use it and retards can join later when they finally realize it's good

trello.com/c/1GUWaZiN/49-why-we-dont-need-government-to-function-as-a-society

When we're forced to pay one group of people for public services, with no alternatives, their priorities then become that of those who willingly pay them (Lobbyists), expecting something in return. Because the state continues to receive payment, regardless of their quality of service.

So instead of Government, what if we chose who we gave money to in exchange for services in the public sector? Such as Courts, Hospitals, Security, ect.

Society is Private sector plus Public Sector, both organized in a significantly horizontal fashion according to anarchy.

Private: Belonging to, concerning, or accessible only to an individual or specific group. A for-profit business.

Public: All the people as a whole or as a community. Goods or Services that benefit all of society rather than the individual. These include Security, Infrastructure, Transportation, Education, Healthcare, ect.

Monopolies are enforced through state aggression.

Adam Smith's definition of Monopoly:

The privilege of a legal barrier to competition, such as a license or franchise.
This can be simplified to being “A grant (Funds or products given or allowed) from the state”.
Therefore to compete with a monopolist is to go against the state.

Such a person would be suppressed by force, which is why monopolies and aggression are intimately related. Tariffs (Restrictions on foreign goods) are Oligoplistic (Ol-i-gop-lis-tic: Multiple Monopolies) making them a burden on both consumers and manufactures. This includes copyrights and patents as well.

Monopolists are in a much stronger position to influence politics due to their greater financial resources. Because when the monopolizer is the only supplying firm, they have the power to raise prices without adversely affecting demand for their products/ services.

The reasons for why they would influence politics, could be to ensure no anti-monopoly measures are undertaken. But also, to extend the monopoly to include other products or services, or to reduce safety regulations and worker rights. Monopolies can also be made into the reason for why more state controls are needed, which would also be under their influence.

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You certianlly feel strongly about your beliefs, as do I my own. Your only flaw in your reasoning is you expect people to behave like you. There are certian types of people in this world where an organized police force is required, followed by a state to set punishment accordingly and fairly. Furthermore, this rebuttle on "Liberterianism" as a whole I believe would help you realize further problems with the Anarchist model kevinalfredstrom.com/2014/02/american-dissident-voices-liberty/

You know police forces, judges, and prisons exist in an anarcho-capitalist society right?

So what, the people who directly interact with them are paying for them? So poor people won't have access to police, judges and rich man's prison?

They will likely be interacting with police, thrown in prison, etc.

So what you mean to say is that policemen, judges and prison operators won't get paid; they do their jobs on a voluntary basis.

No they will be paid by the businesses they are protecting.

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So what you're telling me is that people who do not pay the police do not get police services or judge services. If they don't pay the prison, they will get thrown into poor man's prison because it is a private business. Society is not allowed to hold them accountable other than by refusing to pay them and stating their voice about their inhumane treatment.

Someones gonna pay for them, might not be you.

Feeding people in prison is expensive, if you are intruding on others property you will probably just get deported.

The poor or the business I don't get what you mean.

Misread what you said there. Okay.

A business can be held accountable for contract violation or intruding on someones property by a judge, and a private contract insurance agency.

More like user's first attempt at advertising.

>>>Zig Forums
>>>/liberty/

This. I shit on Google's impending grave, fucking niggers.

Never gonna happen. Sorry. Enjoy eternal cloud storage.

Decentralization frightens the Jews be they government or corporate. They are scared shitless of it and dead set against it.