It seems free and open source software is dominated by liberals who won't tolerate conservative viewpoints...

It seems free and open source software is dominated by liberals who won't tolerate conservative viewpoints. For example Leah Rowe and libreboot, Richard Stallman and (are examples even needed with him?), FreeBSD and plenty others with their code of conducts, and even some OpenBSD devs (twitter.com/phessler ; twitter.com/henningbrauer). Is the end product more important than the creator of it?

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Yes, actually. Stallman is a free speech absolutist.
Or is your entire problem that people have opinions you don't like, regardless of their actions?

In a sense it is, but I would say if you absolutely don't need it, why support them? If you have the skill or the talent, make your own solution and to hell with those intolerant jerks.

Shut the fuck up.

I agree with him on free speech; I'm talking about his pro Bernie nonsense.

So, just to clarify - your problem is just the opinions he has? Not his actions with regards to software?
Codes of conduct have practical consequences. I understand being worried about those. But being upset about someone supporting the wrong candidate sounds stupid as fuck.

I guess Richard Stallman is a bad example, since he doesn't create anything anymore. I still think it is reasonable to not want to support others because of their opinions when their opinions are against you. Why tolerate them when they won't tolerate you?

Because their opinions ought to be no consequence to you.

Stallman used to create things, probably including things you use, so I think he's relevant - but for the sake of argument, let's pretend he's still creating things, so we can get to a general principle.
What do you mean when you say Stallman won't tolerate you? Do you mean that he thinks your opinions are bad?
He supports your right to have and express them.
Do you just refuse to associate with anyone who commits wrongthink?

Shut up. Their opinions hold a greater influence than that of Joe Schmo. Not using their products is one way to reduce the damage by their negative influence.

Stallman benefits from proprietary software, yet he won't tolerate my use of proprietary software.

False

Who cares what the creator thinks as long as it doesn't affect the product or my usage of it.

Why?


He thinks you shouldn't use proprietary software because it's bad for you. He won't do anything to involuntarily prevent you from using proprietary software.
Compare it to smoking. Is anyone who thinks smoking is bad for you intolerant of smokers?

inb4 coc and their mysterious powers

Free speech my ass. Stallman literally made a plane taxi off the runway and back to the gate so he could get off because he couldn't handle an argument with some OpenBSD devs.

Stallman literally destroyed a NASA rocket because it refused to take up samples of his toe jam for his experiement.

Industrial society runs on proprietary software. Stallman benefits from industrial society. Stallman benefits from proprietary software
Eat logic.

I am tired of hearing the nonsense from cowards who are afraid of thinking critically about their own choices, how they are damaging to themselves, and how damaging themselves is damaging society as a whole. That's why I tell these people to shut up. Freedom of Speech doesn't mean say whatever pops into your head.
No it's not. These businesses spend good money to make good products so that consumers will buy them. If they made bad products, consumers would not buy them and would move on to competitors. You aren't thinking critically, and you aren't thinking for yourself.
This isn't about analogies. This is about the facts of the argument.

The creator doesn't have to make his every damned opinion known either. Fuck him and fuck his product if he does otherwise.

I wouldn't say wrongthink, but I do refuse association based on opinions I find harmful. That is part of free speech, I can accept their opinions, and they can accept my refusal to use their software. Why would I want to support those I disagree with? By doing so it gives them a larger platform to spread ideas I disagree with.

False

care to provide an arguement?

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I don't and never have used Zig Forums

Men in industrial society beat their wives. Stallman benefits from industrial society. Stallman benefits from beaten wives.

While that's autistic as hell I don't see how it relates to free speech. Freedom of speech doesn't require any particular individuals to listen. That doesn't mean that what Stallman did is right, just that it didn't violate anyone's free speech.


I mean, what's the point of doing that? It only makes it look like you're unable to come up with a counter-argument. Even if you want people to shut up it's a bad move.
I do think freedom of speech gives people the right to say whatever pops into their head, though.
That's irrelevant, because I never said it was. I only said that Stallman thinks proprietary software is bad for you, which is (hopefully) not controversial.
Okay, here's the fully digital version.
The reason Richard Stallman believes you shouldn't use proprietary software is that he believes proprietary software is bad for you. He does not think you are a bad person for using proprietary software, but he does think that you are worse off using proprietary software. When he tells you to stop using proprietary software he does it out of concern for your well-being. He sees users of proprietary software as victims, not as enemies.

Richard Stallman is fine with using somebody elses' phone to make a call, and then he will gladly tell everyone how they should not being using phones.

Richard Stallman does benefit from proprietary software. I think he doesn't think it's wrong to benefit from proprietary software.
Proprietary software is bad because it's harmful. Actions that don't cause additional harm aren't bad.
You get that weird twist because Stallman is mostly a consequentialist, but applies it inconsistently when it comes to software.

Stallman's political opinions don't matter one bit because he promotes genuinely free software. When the fourth Reich gasses the Kikes for real, the super-efficient fully automated ultra high temperature ovens will be controlled by GNU software running on RISC-V processors. There is nothing he can do to stop it.

The solution to SJW infiltration of free software projects is to avoid working directly for such organizations, and create Aryan forks where necessary.

THIS

"It's better to appear a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." - Mark Twain
Way to twist my words. Where did I say "right" ever in any sentence?

I can rephrase it not to use the word "right", if you insist. It won't mean something different.
I think freedom of speech covers saying whatever pops into your head. It covers speech. Poorly considered speech is speech.

That's not what I am talking about at all. Conflate arguments with noise elsewhere.

Nobody is going to permanently stop posting their opinions on the internet just to avoid triggering some glass willed queers such as yourself on social media.

It's different if you're paying for the product, but OP is talking about FOSS, and the author gets absolutely nothing from you using it.

When their "opinions" start influencing their products it becomes a major issue. See Google and Mozilla.

american socialist republic faggots fuck off

Stop complaining and start coding faggot

Mainly bloated software. You'll a lot more extremes in the minimalist circles. Obviously, since they're not weak enough to stand bloated shit.

Fuck you.

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Yeah, proprietary software vendors like google are totally accepting of conservatives, like when that one spoke about diversity, ==OH WAIT THEY WERENT==

Go back to sucking google cock, Zig Forums.

He didn't even support that candidate, but one most Americans probably never heard of, but I would not expect Zig Forums to have a grasp on reality.

Corporations don't have opinions except wanting to increase their power and wealth. They are presenting themselves now as supporters of SJWs because they believe that to aid their goal, while corporations in the Third Reich made a point publicly of how Aryan they are. But because that would fit your particular brand of identity politics you would not complain. You are a hypocrite AND a retard and should stick to Zig Forums

Stallman tolerates conservatism

What a disgusting way of thinking tbh

Stallman tolerates a lot what are you talking about? Didn't someone email him about sometype of white man/aryan/heterosexual only license and he responded that while he didn't like it the license itself was fine.

Your examples for openbsd are peter hessler and henning brauer? Jesus fuck user, just because they aren't braindead poltards like you doesn't mean they are "liberals".

Oh I get it your post was made when it was still april first.

rms is the rare kind of commie I don't have a problem with. He's pretty chill. He doesn't agree with you but, so long as it isn't related to software freedom, he won't give you shit, he won't try to get you fired and won't try to dox you. Sad times when an autist is better socially than other people.

How about instead of focusing on who disagrees with whom you actually work on and contribute to projects, you whiny little baby?

Worth mentioning that there is a HUGE difference between the like of RMS and Leah Rowe. RMS at least has the sense to keep his bullshit politics separate from his Free Software evangelism. Rowe and the like prefer to use their political ideals as a criterion for who gets to be in the Free Software movement. See shit like the FreeBSD CoC.

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Or, rather, they would LIKE to use their politics as the criterion*

Yes and no.
I, for one, do not want to be the monster sitting on a high horse pontificating to everyone about how moral its atrocities are.
Then again, I don't know on what day Firefox is going to phone home and lock up what I type nigger or kike into a form on a web page.

I would like to let people have their own stupid, poisonous beliefs, however when one of those beliefs is that I should silenced and ghettoized, it is difficult to maintain that stance. Especially as the group that espouses such beliefs continues to increase in political power which would allow them to institute their beliefs.

I like where this is going. We should fork something like MINIX3 and CDE and make the ultimate comfy OS. A secure and easy to use microkernel that's small enough to easily audit, and a pleasant Motif based desktop and applications. This whole OS would be super easy to port to something like RISC-V when hardware becomes more widely available.

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He has no problem with you using proprietary software. He has a problem with the proprietary sofrware vendor who subjects you to its abuses.

He's careful not to blame the victim (you) for the wrongs of the perpetrator (the proprietary software vendor). He's friends with plenty of people who use proprietary software.

hmmm

Oh I see, you just searched for he/them and declared them liberal(ignoring the fact that liberal literally has no meaning in its current state). GTFO with that shit. You are ignoring the fact that both of them have contributed loads of useful software and documentation, infinitely more then (You) in fact. This is in stark contrast to the degenerates who brought about the cuck of conduct on cuckbsd who have also contributed nothing.

Excuse me, this is a transhumanist board

I'm not ignoring that? I'm pointing out what is obvious to all except you. Also, learn the difference between then and than.

Congratulations, you've come to the realization that "conservatism" doesn't have room in its ideology for software freedom.

I'm gonna give you a hint: once upon a time, a Hard Drive was also called a Winchester. You should google it and discover why.

OP is quite naive and certainly young for thinking that free software is a liberal-only place. It is unfortunate that where leftists are present, they create leftist holdouts and try to kick everyone else out. There is a reason why creative professions are dying. That's why.

But you are worse, fellow user, for you know as much about conservatism as I know about makeup.

Sorry I had just woken up and was in shill mode. I still disagree with your assessment however, as none of their posts on the mailing lists reflect a single thing you claim that they stand for. Your assessment was based on quick knowledge you gleamed from some sort of personal social media and does not reflect what they stand for in the project in the slightest. You are just as bad as the so called liberals are for trying to bring politics into a technical project.
I noticed that immediately after posting and had intended to point it out but couldn't be bothered.

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>>>/cuckchan/

>>>Zig Forums
Also, proprietary software is jewish.

The more I visit this board the more I can't tolerate Zig Forums either. They may have a point.

He's ours now.

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Just like how conservatives often doth protest how much they hate immigrants while simultaneously being the biggest employers of immigrants. Talk is cheap. Conservatism is a mishmash of haphazardly related ideas but it is ultimately all about being a corporate cuck. It is the ideology of shameless apologism for private property and the ability for capitalists to commodify and "own" absolutely anything in order to make a buck off it, including an idea, including a piece of software. Any ideology that props up the system of private property, the patents, and copyrights, the "intellectual property", whether it's conservatism or liberalism, is no friend to the free software movement.

You're giving yourself way too much credit Zig Forums. It's been known for years Stallman is a Jewish Socialist.

So we can all at least agree BSD licenses are superior to the GPL

He doesn't read Marx though so he can't be a actual socialist. He's still a green party memeber in my eyes.

RMS is an Atheist you mongoloid

All he cares about is feels then he cares about ethnicity then somewhere down the line he cares about religion.
First he calls people he does not like Jewish then he calls people that are akinazi Jewish when he may or may not call a Jew one depending on whether he likes him or not.

"Impeach God" is a very jewish way of being an atheist

At least, that is the general consenses that I came to after dealing with these types of people. Take it with a grain of salt.

youtube.com/watch?v=yZxmSotoyjc

Here is Richard Stallman being interviewed on InfoWars and getting along surprisingly amiably. The fact that you even care about Stallman's partisan leanings beyond the FSF under the pretense of not tolerating "conservative viewpoints" just shows us how much of an unyielding partisan you are that you would try and perpetuate an agenda. Believe it or not, there are people on both sides who sincerely care about abstracts constructs like justice and compassion and other aspects of the human endeavour--who aren't just egotistical twats eager to antagonize anyone on the pretense of anything just sate some sad deficiency in their ego. Maybe Stallman came on to InfoWars because their superficial partisan leanings are just that: superficial tools for a bigger, mutual endeavor.

Or maybe I'm just yet another brainwashed [insert party here] spewing nonsense to prove a point to a discussion I don't really care about. I'll let you decide.

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Hell even I would go on to shitpost on infowars and I'm basically a an-commie.

He's an ethnic Jew. His mother is Jewish
It's an identity. Not even making this shit up. "Jewish Atheism" is a thing
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_atheism

You sincerely thought all this fucking time Zig Forums was bitching about a religion? You have brain problems? Judaism is a lot deeper than that

Aah, I see you just came to Zig Forums after seeing Pewdiepie namedrop us. Fucking cancer

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Amazing. They even put an interview on gnu.org:
gnu.org/philosophy/rms-aj.en.html

Been here for five years cunt.
Nice projection.

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No you haven't

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I know you're a blatant liar because Zig Forums wasn't founded until October of 2013 so you couldn't have been here for 5 years

Zig Forums, newfag, blatant liar, all seems to check out

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They are picked up from this website.

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You were just called out, get out you stupid newfag

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Jesus fucking Christ

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Zig Forums didn't even exist when Zig Forums was still founded anyways. Zig Forums wasn't a thing until like 2016

Jesus this guy is pathetic

2018-2013 five years
Round up

hahaha what a faggot

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You're reaching pretty fucking far if you want us to think you were rounding up 6 fucking months

You were called out, you're a faggot newfag, get over it.

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Your posts just scream oldfag. Somehow I doubt you were here before the exodus. Let alone before this website existed

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Truly the newfag
Whatever, I'm out. See you kids again with that bait.

its time to stop posting

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Zig Forums is where most newfags come from though

See

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No that would be Zig Forums.

These inane posts actually increase the pph on this board pretty good publicity.
It's not like stallman actually reads this crap anyways.

More new people come from Zig Forums because it's larger and less isolated from the rest of the site. The average unadjusted Zig Forums immigrant is probably a worse fit than the average unadjusted Zig Forums immigrant because Zig Forums is less isolated from the rest of the site, but I notice a lot more Zig Forums immigrants than Zig Forums immigrants.

They are both terrible, especially Zig Forums recently. Most of them are just retarded tankies and rad libs larping as tankies.

Tien Zig Forums is just zionists supporting Zionist supporting trump.
Must be why they split?

Oops I shouldn't have used a computer I'm indirectly supporting communism :)

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