How would (You) fix this mess?

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to be clear i meant C would have been massively more sane than C++. C isn't a good language but 99% of the faggots who agree are some web shotter faggots

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Ada was proven to work. Why should they take something that they know works and replace it with something they know is worse? It doesn't make any sense to me. If they wanted to test out a new language like Rust or Go and it was worse, that's one thing, but they know C++ sucks. Everyone knows C++ sucks.

This is the UNIX "it doesn't matter" mantra all over again. "Doesn't matter" always means "sucks". When someone selling a car says "gas mileage doesn't matter" they're saying "the car's gas mileage sucks." Programming languages matter. If someone trying to get you to use a programming language says it doesn't matter, the language sucks.

C++ is worse than Ada, but it's also worse than the languages that were previously used in flight software. If the programmers aren't smart enough or just don't care enough to learn Ada, Fortran, Cobol, or whatever, they shouldn't be working on this sort of thing anyway.

Are the memory devices too slow or does the software just suck? If they're using XML or some UNIX-inspired text bullshit, their memory won't go as far.

Why am I retraining myself in Ada? Because since 1979 Ihave been trying to write reliable code in C. (Definition:reliable code never gives wrong answers without an explicitapology.) Trying and failing. I have been frustrated tothe screaming point by trying to write code that couldsurvive (some) run-time errors in other people's code linkedwith it. I'd look wistfully at BSD's three-argument signalhandlers, which at least offered the possibility of providehardware specific recovery code in #ifdefs, but grit myteeth and struggle on having to write code that would workin System V as well.There are times when I feel that clocks are running fasterbut the calendar is running backwards. My first seriousprogramming was done in Burroughs B6700 Extended Algol. Igot used to the idea that if the hardware can't give you theright answer, it complains, and your ON OVERFLOW statementhas a chance to do something else. That saved my bacon morethan once.When I met C, it was obviously pathetic compared with the_real_ languages I'd used, but heck, it ran on a 16-bitmachine, and it was better than 'as'. When the VAX cameout, I was very pleased: "the interrupt on integer overflowbit is _just_ what I want". Then I was very disappointed:"the wretched C system _has_ a signal for integer overflowbut makes sure it never happens even when it ought to".It would be a good thing if hardware designers wouldremember that the ANSI C standard provides _two_ forms of"integer" arithmetic: 'unsigned' arithmetic which must wraparound, and 'signed' arithmetic which MAY TRAP (or wrap, ormake demons fly out of your nose). "Portable Cprogrammers", know that they CANNOT rely on integerarithmetic _not_ trapping, and they know (if they have donetheir homework) that there are commercially significantmachines where C integer overflow _is_ trapped, so theywould rather the Alpha trapped so that they could use theAlpha as a porting base.

you'd be hardpressed to find enough engineers for it whereas there are plenty of professional pajeets that can code in c++

By not getting rid of reliable software that works by replacing it with unstable software with a billion useless features and then paying some contractors millions of dollars to ll contractors to make it.
My mother is a fed and they are doing this at her work, and they wonder why they are over budget. They literally dumb down the software she has to use so it can be ran on a smart phone. Why would you want to do that? The team behind are so soykaf that they can't even sort records in a way that's not alphabetical or numerical. I could implement that in less that 5 minutes. In fact, I could probably make the whole piece of software myself both faster and cheaper.
It infuriates me whenever my mom talks about about the technology at her work because they keep making terrible decisions.

1. Remove the government
2. rewrite everything in haskell

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While it's a government contract that, therefore, does not have professional pajeets, all of the engineers aspire to be professional pajeets. By using sepples, the contractors are growing job skills using a language that is prevalent in industry. Of course, it is prevalent in industry because companies want to use a language that makes their local programmers fungible with pajeets, as pajeets are cheaper. The contractors view using sepples as career growth. There is also the ability to use sexy new technology: many open source projects use C or sepples, and using sepples makes integrating those projects into the code easier. Why should government contractors rewrite X in Ada, when X is an open-source C project? Who is going to maintain that Ada version? What do you do when the engineers who wrote it retire and no one knows how the code works?

cuck license strikes again

Just use what the previous model did and adapt it as needed.

The F-35s vertical takeoff capabilities are fucking sci-to tier engineering wizardry

Vertical takeoff are not self-stabilizing and require a sophisticated flight computer making micro-adjustments to the thrust throttle and position to maintain stability. The Vets vertical takeoff system is supposedly the most advanced ever built

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Might as well rewrite it in Brainfuck.

Not like VTO has been a thing for 60 years.

Start from scratch with electron-based app for rapid development

We can let the pilot browse youtube right there in an embedded html segment while he is flying

VTO has historically been less-than-efficient. The F35s VTO system is completely overhauled

You got scammed, lockheed didn't make a new aircraft, they bought the plans of the Yak-141 from Russia, i mean literally its not even a secret.
They put a USAF sticker on it and bam, give me 3 trillion buck !

Lolwut? They're nothing alike.

Maybe it was true all along that C++ sucks... it's a language that makes simple things complicated, and invites the programmer to dig his own grave. How do you handle a destructor that fails? Think fast! Don't throw an exception or else the universe implodes!

I hear good things about Ada... maybe that should be used instead.

Ada is just a language, not some unsurmountable mountain. Any software engineer worth the title should be able to learn it. It's not even "different" like Lisp or Forth. If you can learn Pascal, you can learn Ada.

Using the C language how are you supposed to handle a free() call that fails? What kind of situation is going to cause a free() call to fail?

But free can't fail, and if it does, it's a problem in the kernel, not the userspace program calling it.

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Those devs probably still have 200K yearly salary

Anti-*N*X spammer, while I usually find your purloined tirades amusing, you've crossed the line.

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don't talk to the c-tards

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I would talk to some Swedes for starters. The Gripen program runs at a fraction of the cost of the JSF, about 1/30 I think.
They integrate parts like radar from lots of different suppliers without much problem.
IIRC some engineer had the bright idea to make the software modular (I think the used "apps" to sell it to management). The company trusted the engineers and now they are doing pretty well.
As for the JSF, that is working as intended, since it's main purposes are to defraud taxpayers across the world and cripple air forces while doing so.

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There are four problems with the F-35 program:
1. Too much stress is placed on one company, which can't do everything itself.
2. Too many missions for one platform. F-35 is supposed to replace: F-15E, F-16, F-18, A-6, A-10... and dozens of other aircraft in other services.
3. It is introducing too many new concepts into a single airframe, including automated maintenance for fucks sake. Every aircraft designer worth his salt knows more than half of any new design has to be grounded in battle tested components, techniques, concepts...
4. It costs too much. As it is, in the present state, it should cost about $40 million. It doesn't have a functional gun, half the software is nonfunctional, the headset is nonfunctional, it can't fly above certain altitudes.... It costs $130 million, that's the cost of a frigate.

Easiest solution is delegation:
1. Let northrop grumman build a twin engine air superiority fighter F-25 for air force, RCS of 0.01m2
2. Let mcdonnell douglass build a twin engine multirole catobar F-30, RCS of 0.0005m2
3. Let lockheed martin work with mcdonnell douglass to build a single engine VTOL F-35 version for marines, RCS of 1m2
4. Let lockheed martin build a single engine multirole F-35 version for air force, RCS of 0.01m2
5. Let scaled composites and northrop grumman work on a CAS replacement.

That's how all other fighters were designed.

They nigged the VTOL system off Yakovlev.

Except Yakovlev used the far more sane arrangement of two mini jets which let it have a slim form factor, while F-35 is fat as fuck because it uses a huge lift fan connected by a drive shaft to the main engine.

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True dat. I had a class in Uni called "Concepts of Programming Languages" and the prof wanted us to program the same program in Prolog, Scheme, Ada, Fortran, and Cobol. I wrote the exact same program for Ada, Fortran, and Cobol.

Merged with Boeing in '97
Bought by NG in '07
Shit, nigga, WHEN the fuck are you?

Which is far more efficient. Stay mad commie

You cannot win. We spend trillions of dollars one one plane. - Napoleon

Sorry I'm almost a boomer, and been out of the service for awhile.

No it isn't, there's roughly same amount of fuel consumption.

Except the difference is that in Yak-141 the thrust is heated evenly, front thrust is sort of warm, and rear thrust is sort of warm, but neither is too hot. Whereas F-35 front thruster is 100% cold, it's literally a helicopter in the front, a ducted fan. Yet due to thermodynamics the rear jet is twice as hot, because all of the front fan's heat is still there, it's just being spewed by the rear jet.

End result? F-35B rear thruster is so hot it bores holes in aircraft carrier decks, so they needed to install ceramic heat absorbing pads from fucking SPACE SHUTTLE on every LHD where F-35 is supposed to land.
foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/navy-builds-ship-for-f-35-ship-needs-months-of-upgrade-1697523492

It's not the planes fault that the pussy aircraft carrier CANT TAKE THE HEAT. Go big or go home.

Actually I like the more a Russian colonels joke, he said the F-35B exhaust is intentional, it is an advanced plasma weapon system.

Who cares if it works?

Nice blogpost fam, While I'm not completely against the language matters idea it likely does this screams more of super ultra retarded software engineering and project management where the client doesn't know what they wants.

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The entire purpose of something as obsolete as "air superiority fighters" in the post-Cold War era is to consume money, not to eliminate the joke airforces of 3rd-world nations that can be flattened in a day with infinitely cheaper strategic bombing and AA missile batteries.

Really, this has been the case ever since computers became powerful enough for BVR missiles to be viable.

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I know I'm just an armchair poster but if I could fix the F-35 program I'd do the following:

- completely scrap F-35B STOVL, if you want to hover use helos
- simplify F-35: scrap fancy helmet and scrap 360 deg view cameras
- redesign underside to be flat and able to hold more ordnance (8x AMRAAM would be nice)
- give it a strong forward looking IRST mostly for A2G
- give it more ammo for the gun
- rewrite all its software in Ada
- change wing config to delta like Mirage 2000 for extra fuel and increased loadout, because its handling is shit anyway might as well sacrifice it further (or hell, even YF-23 diamond config like pic related would be sexy)

Wing configs from a game:
moddb.com/games/vector-thrust/news/report-045-f-35

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"Mess", you say? The program is working exactly as intended: making Lockheed Martin billions of dollars.

Hard for most people to understand how much money that is. That could easily make higher education "free" and wipe out all college, housing, and auto debt. Without breaking a sweat it could establish a single-payer national healthcare system. But what's something really crazy you could do with that kind of money?

For $1 trillion, you could setup an array of solar panels on the moon, beam energy back to the Earth using microwaves, and replace the entire US energy infrastructure with clean, abundant, and cheap electric power.

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this one needs good low level rewrite in language that can be better maintained thats all

And guess who got all that money?
The demokikes used it as welfare when they weren't selling the plans.
The republicucks sold the plans to kikeland, who sold them to the jews of the east.
And you paid for it with blood and soil.

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And guess who got all that money?
The demokikes used it as welfare when they weren't selling the plans.
The republicucks sold the plans to kikeland, who sold them to the jews of the east.
And you paid for it with blood and soil.

The only way to improve the F-35 is to kill anyone that was instrumental in its design and production.

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Nah it couldn't. College debt is 1.2 trillion already and growing every year.

But a trillion dollars could make us a spacefaring organization.

What a fucking retarded idea.

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Wiping out consumer debt isn't necessarily about paying it off. Debt jubilees are the recognition that compound interest grows faster than the economy's ability to pay it, that debts that cannot be paid won't be, and thus it serves society as a whole to cancel it out.

michael-hudson.com/2018/01/could-should-jubilee-debt-cancellations-be-reintroduced-today/

Already a massive step up from terrestrial-based solar power, but building a ring around the near and far side edges is the idea, yes.

Ah, but you don't beam it directly to the earth's surface, the idea is to relay it from orbiting satellites. In this manner you can provide power 24/7 anywhere on the Earth.

Two former NASA physicists at the University of Houston don't seem to think so. Here, learn more:
youtube.com/watch?v=8lA-z-FCDLA

putting anything on the moon without sufficient protection is retarded idea, unlike the earth it doesnt have the gravity to deal with incoming debrie from stars

Yes I too can read youtube comments. The question is how often actually are collisions, and is it a task that robotic maintenance can't handle? Keep in mind solar panels on the moon don't have to be as mechanically sophisticated as panels on the Earth.

I'd rewrite it in assembly because why not. Also, anyone need a job?

robots? uhh
theguardian.com/technology/2018/apr/16/elon-musk-humans-robots-slow-down-tesla-model-3-production

That pic about Sanders is somewhat misleading. He hasn't pushed funding for the overall JSF program, and has actually castigated it as exceptionally wasteful on numerous occasions. Rather, Sanders merely says that while the juggernaut of the program rolls onward, requiring contractors to be built by and bases to be stationed at, that they be in Vermont rather than elsewhere.

If you scrap the helmet, you are going to have to make changes to the canopy to give better rearward vision. E.g. the mig 15s in the korean war were arguably better than the sabres but the sabres had better rearward vis so waxed some korean tail. With all these changes it is pretty much a shit f-22.

Why not make 3 planes instead?
Let the USMC fags have their weird STOVL meme, give the army a stealthy F-16 replacement and the navy a twin engine canard fighter like pic related.

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F35 is 3 planes

geee, I wonder why

capitalism works

Exactly! Which is exactly what it was always meant to be, the faggometric STOVL meme notwithstanding: a smaller, cheaper, single engine, "multirole" version of the F-22, basically a shit F-22 that could be exported to the "allies".

A crappy little F-22 fully capable of destroying SAMs, helicopters, convoys and some buildings after the F-22 killed all enemy fighters. I mean the F-35 still is all those things but for a stupid high price tag. For its own good it needs to be simplified and cheapened, and I don't think this is a controversial opinion.

IMHO this would only be a problem for the STOVL version, which would be scrapped anyway. I do admit the helmet looks pretty cool, but the F-22 deserves it more. F-22-MLU anyone? Might as well put all that hard-earned money to good use, Lockheed.

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Scrap it and bring back the F-14.

Basic PID control system probably would do the job just fine.

for real? broofs?

same as apple reception debacle
YOU ARE HOLDING IT WRONG
"hiring antenna specialists"

This.

Come on. We aren't in a women coding class here.

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F-14 was a piece of shit, way too heavy to be worth its salt as a dog fighter. Aircraft developers get a hard on for new technology light swing wing even if it adds 15.000lbs to the total weight

The thing that upsets me the most about the F-35 is the fact it is entirely reliant on stealth tech, the only card it has to play is that russia and china don't have the same stealth tech yet. If by some unlucky chance it ran into a mig 29 the F-35 would have it's tail waxed. Doesn't even have the speed to get out of tight situations.

search.lockheedmartinjobs.com/ListJobs/ByKeyword/F-35/

Your face is a piece of shit. The Tomcat should have been modernized like Grumman envisioned. The Su-333 would have a true contender for naval air superiority.

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Total bullshit. F35 would win trivially. Its just way more fucking expensive than it needs to be and in a war the efficiency is going to matter. Ten planes or one.

Continued: Unit cost for mig29 is 20 million, unit cost for f35 is 100 million. Modern $.

Continued: Another interesting thing I just found, the f22 actually cost MORE per unit compared to the f35. f22 unit cost is 150 million.

LOL, you carry more parts in your plane and you expect it to have the same efficiency? Why do you think Yak41 has 30% more volume than the F35 for the same range and half of the payload?

Also, the engine is not hot due to the fan, the fan might interfere in the consumption but not the exhaust temperature which is determined mainly by the compressor, the temperature of the exhaust is high even in F35A.

The exhaust is hot due to the supercruise capability, to achieve that the engine works at a higher compression rate and temperature as well as higher bypass. It doens't help either that it needs a larger thrust (diameter) due to the fat aerodynamic, which is a result of it's steath capability, increasing the surface area affected by the exhaust.

Years ago some wargame simulation leaked, it got curbstomped by soviet rustbuckets older then the mig29

Exactly, the f-35 wasn't designed with maneuverability in mind. It relies solely on stealth tech.

vs
popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a25078/f-35-red-flag-war-games/

I recall it was australia they bought it anyway despite their own horror report

How's the weather in Tel Aviv?

archive.fo/L9VPe

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They are just applying higher standards than ever before. Its not WORSE because of these things. They are trying to make it insanely good.

You'd feel right at home among the likes of /r/starcitizen.

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Please tell Carlo Kopp is totally wrong and the Lockheed researchers found a way to make that curvy mess stealthy from below.

I have to say though I have a hardon for the curvy-straight intakes. You'd think they increase drag and decrease stealth (compared to the fully straight intakes found on the F-22) but apparently that's not the case.

Manufacturing a stealth plane in current year. Manufacturing as in spraypainting it by hand. Maybe even tightening the screws by hand. Surely they have enough money to robotocize the process, Jeebus.

why is there a woman on the cover of their jobs program?
what is she doing there?

Hiring people and organizing nerf fights

Ask our pal Elon how well that went

Zig Forums here, get the A-10s back you flaming homosexuals