With it's joke CoC page (9front.org/coc) and generally irreverent sense of humor, you could be excused for assuming that 9front, a project continuing the development of Plan 9 From Bell Labs, wouldn't fall to the idpol mania that has swallowed so many tech communities.
Unfortunately, you'd be wrong.
Apparently, there is a CoC in full effect in at least some 9front spaces, and violating it can result in a no-warning permaban if you're not a project contributor. aiju sez:
The issue at hand were some comments in IRC by Aram that aiju took as anti-tranny.
Fortunately, this story has a "happy" ending. Aram confirmed that he is, in fact, super down with trans folks, some of whom are his friends! #BeAnAlly
The conversation was rounded out with the following observation:
Because, as we all know, tech projects are just fronts for fighting for LGBTQIA+ inclusivity.
If you thought 9front/cat-v had avoided the SJW infection, be warned. Emails here: my.mixtape.moe/dbvmmr.txt
When an open source software project adopts a “code of conduct” it slowly dies. Bugs don’t get fixed, new features break stuff, and it is unable to accommodate updates and changes in the environment. Over time, it gradually suffers bitrot – unchanging and unchangeable assumptions in a changing world, combined with “fixes” that introduce new bugs, and confusing new misfeatures that irritate old users, never quite work as they were supposed to, and are an obstacle to new users.
Why is “inclusivity” so devastatingly lethal to tech?
Observe “women in tech”. As Spandrel observes “Women in tech” are women trying to get nerds out of tech. Nerds protest. “We were here first! We built this from scratch!”. Yeah whatever. There’s money to be made, so women want in. Then they saw nerds there, and then they can’t help their instincts. Nerds must go. Women just won’t live close to them; the same way humans don’t like living close to snakes or rats. That getting rid of the nerds would destroy the whole ecosystem is secondary. When tech collapses after women chase the nerds away, women will just migrate to somewhere else built by some other males, as if nothing had happened.
harmful.cat-v.org/society/gay_marriage cat-v has always been on the principled libertarian social equality side of things. Supporting trans people shouldn't be a surprise. I can't blame them for being trigger-happy given some of the contamination I've seen from #Zig Forums in particular.
Eli Perez
hello newfag >>>/out/
Hunter Edwards
OpenBSD has developers like this; I wouldn't count on it much longer...
Haha holy shit I didn't even know those were a thing. Christ that's pathetic
Juan Gutierrez
This. BDFLs are what's keeping good projects and countries afloat. We need to take cue from political history and upgrade free software projects to hereditary monarchies.
Landon Bell
That was the objective from the start. Ridiculing marriage with degeneracy is just means to this end.
Angel Johnson
If Theo has a worthy replacement for himself in mind then I wouldn't worry. Same goes for Linus.
So, democracy is a failure and dictatorship is the only right way? 🤔
Eli Wright
You're all retarded, especially OP. Just reload the page to get a different coc, the whole thing is a joke mocking the idea of a coc.
Democracy tends to give consistently mediocre outcomes. Among other areas, that's good for countries because all the alternatives are more likely to fail catastrophically, even if they're better in the best possible case. Software projects aren't countries. Leaving a small software project is much easier than leaving a country, so you can get a somewhat working free market/survival of the fittest thing going. A software project that has a BDFL from the beginning is unlikely to become popular unless the BDFL is good, so bad monarchs are automatically filtered out. Unfortunately, that doesn't extend to succession in established software projects. If you appoint a new leader and they turn out to be bad it's much harder for the free market to take care of it. Forking is expensive. Even good people aren't necessarily good leaders.
Easton Cox
(((Why do you think that is?)))
Alexander Brooks
That's why you establish a hereditary monarchy. Somebody who shares similar genetic base and was raised in a similar memetic environment is more likely to end up sharing similar traits, including being a good leader.
Parker Brooks
lol
Austin Robinson
That's not nearly reliable enough. Selecting from multiple clones might work, but societal progress is too fast to replicate the memetic environment properly in another generation.
David James
fuk How much is probable that Gentoo will stay uncucked? I'm currently using devuan/obsd/void; devuan is sjw/faggot distro, obsd is fine, but has no chance staying uncucked, void is essentialy pony-tier distro with fine init system. Should I just go crux and crucify all evil I have on my hards?
Ethan Butler
It's not perfectly reliable, but it's more reliable than any existing alternative.
Camden Smith
Pick based on quality, not politics, and you'll be a lot happier. Even if politics affects quality, it's not the only thing affecting quality.
Ryan Rivera
People have been fed democratic propaganda from birth because most countries are democratric now. Today's representative democracies claim 2 things: I think the first is right, but I'll call retarded whoever thinks the second is right, there's no way anybody genuinely believes this.
Wyatt Torres
Aside from harmful.cat-v.org/software/,doc.cat-v.org/ and 9front's codebase, you shouldn't bother with anything else aside from maybe software discussions. Thay have always been liberal.
Daniel Turner
Don't cave in to this shit. If you let the SJW cancer take over everything you love without making your own alternatives, you're outright giving them power. We need to either get more involved in projects we enjoy to avoid complete SJW takeover or make our own, better alternatives.
What's this thread about? Hypocritical people being intolerant in the name of tolerance? Therefore we should avoid using their software? Umm no, this is the same feelz mindpoison as not wanting to use ReiserFS because its creator is a murderer (moot point because ReiserFS is obsolete anyway). What I'm saying is, it makes more sense to accept/reject software solely on technical grounds, not social shit involving its creator(s).
Justin Morris
Pure coincidence, right?
Alexander Taylor
That kind of proves my point. People rejecting software on anything other than tech grounds kills off perfectly good software.
Robert Flores
The social aspect of a project directly influences the technical aspect.
Aaron Miller
So you're in favor of proprietary software then.
Adrian Wilson
So you're in favor of truly free public domain software then.
Michael Evans
Jesus fuck Zig Forums
Aaron Kelly
?
What are the first words in the OP.
Adrian Cox
aiju writes good code, and designed a cool devlopment board, the aijuboard. What have you contibuted?
Cooper Martin
There's Gentoo and Funtoo. Gentoo forums seem comfortably shitlordy still, though #gentoo-chat on Freenode is run by anti-cussing "child friendly environment" sycophants (#funtoo is better IMO).
Oliver Nguyen
I have contributed anti-SJ meems in this global meem war. The Social Justice must die like a kike nailed to two chopsticks!
Alexander Evans
Republicanism isn't a failure... so long as the voting public has an average IQ score which is higher than the temperature on a warm southern Arizona summer day.
Republicanism breaks down these days because humans are susceptible to modern psychological warfare techniques, for which the Bureau is trying to disseminate information about to anons at large.
It's possible to make friends on the internet if not all of your communication is via incognito picturepanels. You have, you just weren't aware.
Josiah Gray
Gays, sure. Trans, lolno.
James Sullivan
somehow I should have known that this is going to happen becayse 9Front's icon is gay flag lol (But I realize that not all gays are >>/oven/ tier SJW or LGBTQ+)
What's the story with Gentoo/Funtoo split?
Nope. Just keep refreshing the page. it changes a couple of times before revealing the ugly truth. t. not
Carson Johnson
In the closet, possibly. There's no good way to know the true incidence.
Matthew Gonzalez
You are not "transgender" just because you say so any more than you are "transblack" just because you say so. There is a clear difference between an invisible mental illness (homosexuality) and a visible mental illness (body mutilation). If you call yourself "trans" and haven't cut your dick off you're just a LARPer.
Henry Perry
IS THERE NO BODY FUCKING PURE IN THIS GODDAMN FUCKING WORLD?
I'm going to hazard a guess that there's some underlying condition that causes people to want to do that, and that it's possible to have that condition without doing that. It's reasonable to use a different definition, though.
Chase Morris
why would you want to do that
Caleb Gutierrez
it's called liberalism and it's treatable with lots of gas
John Bell
to make friends and form personal relationships instead of yelling at your monitor all day
Noah Ortiz
why would you want to do that
Brandon Young
It's so fucking difficult to read and understand whole sentences? Jesus, who invents these words?
Eli Perez
* The use of sexualized language or imagery* Personal attacks* Trolling or insulting/derogatory comments* Public or private harassment* Publishing other's private information, such as physical or electronic addresses, without explicit permission* Other unethical or unprofessional conduct
I see no issue.
Josiah Sanders
good. Can't wait till all the Zig Forumsniggers are banned from everywhere
Luis Johnson
Conquest 's second law of politics: "Any organization not explicitly right-wing sooner or later becomes left-wing".
I've met one tranny in my life. I decided to go through the Starbuck's drive through with Rush Limbaugh playing on the radio, and this 6'+ man with long hair and painted nails and bitchtits handed me my coffee. I haven't been back since
Blake Moore
Why are you paying that much for coffee?
Jonathan Richardson
I hung out with a tranny once. insufferable and over erotic bunch they are. Beleive me, don't stick your dick in crazy.
Caleb White
I don't intend to stick my dick in a man, but thanks nonetheless.
Adam Perez
1. Op a fag 2. What about DF BSD?
Easton Walker
Are you retards serious? It's a parody of Asimov's laws.
Most of the cocs are clearly satire, but unfortunately the sjw ones are supposed to be "real" ones.
Andrew Kelly
Is the OS even actually usable, rather than just being another experiment/curiosity like ReactOS, haiku, TempleOS, AROS etc.? Anyone here ever tried to use plan9 as a daily driver?
Evan Flores
If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black.
Going to 9front.org/coc loads one of a number of different documents edited in some way to refer to 9front. Yes, one of them is a parody of Asimov's laws. Another is based on the Boy Scout pledge. Reload the page and you'll likely get a different one.
The point is that while 9front seemed to be taking the piss out of the whole concept of the CoC, they apparently do enforce a rather strict feefees-based policy in least some parts of the project, in this case IRC.
It depends on what you mean by usable. 9front supports some real hardware, including several models of Thinkpad. It supports a number of common Ethernet devices, a handful of wireless adapters, and can do WPA WiFi. You can do email, read pdfs, view images in common formats (jpg, png, gif, etc.), and browse the Web with mothra (no javascript). You can listen to audio files, but I don't believe there's any way to watch video. IIRC, there's an emulation layer that allows you to run Linux binaries (x86 32-bit), so some people run a modern web browser that way when they need javascript for something. I've never tried it.
For most people, no, it would not be suitable as a daily driver, but that's because most people, even on Zig Forums, are addicted to video games and YouTube. A lot of Zig Forumsnicians are still stuck on Windows because of vidya, so obviously 9front would be a non-starter.
Jacob Miller
You mean that there is no coc?
Adam Parker
Read the emails linked in the OP.
Parker Lee
Where do you want to drive? For starters, you're not going to find botnet web 2.0 browser on any of those OS. Even OpenBSD/arm doesn't have them yet.
Julian Price
How the fuck do I deactivate FF emoji rendering
Aaron Harris
get a better browser
Hudson Powell
So you mean to say it's slightly less functional than Windows 98 was 20 years ago?
Owen Mitchell
What is the recommended partition size for 9front, assuming that data will generally be kept on a different partition? What filesystems are supported?
Eli Sullivan
Now that they're an SJW project, the recommended partition size for 9front is 0.0 KiB.
Liam Phillips
For learning it: idk whatevet it fits it something like 8-20gb should be good. For using it: whatever you want.
Jackson Ramirez
Why so large? The ISO is in the hundred of MBs ballpark, so how large can a fresh intallation be, a gig or slightly more tops? Why all the space, what are you going to use it for if you keep data on another partition? Wouldn't 3-4 gigs be more than plenty (assuming any swap partition, if any, is separate, dunno yet how 9front handles swap).
Jeremiah Brown
So ist there any actual (i.e. non-FUD) evidence whether the sjw cocs are unironical or just satire like all the other ones?
Charles Reed
The CoCs on 9front.org are obvious jokes, the IRC channel follows a reasonable policy that people here would consider SJWy.