I'm freaking out

BCI is almost excluseively studied with respect to controlling artificial limbs and things like that. And these are read-only types of devices that really don't work well unless you have the sensors physically embedded and you have really good signal processing code and a computer following you everywhere you go. EEG is a bad joke. It just filters out signals with X or greater magnitude and does Fourier transforms on the remaining signal/noise, binning the signals into 4 or 5 "bandwidths". Imagine having a keyboard with 5 keys, and imagine it taking all of your mental effort to select one of those keys. Now imagine it's about 70% successful. Yeah, it's a meme.

From what I gather the current run of the mill stuff is either:
- Headset that picks up neural signals and charts them, after which they're seemingly employed for assessing the wearer's mental state.
- Another offshoot of this is trying to use this to control things by using pattern recognition and pre-configuration, i.e. someone wears the headset, then tries to get a hand to move by continually thinking "left" or something. Though I've never actually seen anything impressive as a result of this, usually just a mechanical hand fidgeting or something that only has an on/off state in the first place being turned on, the latter seemingly only requires the wearer to focus their attention on something which results in higher frequency (Gamma) waves, which when detected just act as an "on" signal.

Wow so they've mastered babby tier shit around 20 years ago and have advanced appropriately and on par with the technology and time. Quick everyone commit mass suicide before we all get our brains melted.

Give me a fucking break

but think of the porn!!!! shut up goy and accept it!

Only use it if it's open source?

Computer viruses will infect the brain.

Brains don't execute cpu instructions.

you're a tard, people jacking into computers has been a popsci thing since at least the 70s, where do you think most cyberpunk draws from? And the Matrix came out 20 years ago.

Oh come off it. When have the yellow press and sensationalist normalfag futurist memes ever been accurate? They never have well, except for Deus Ex and MGS2, but Salon and other such rags would never make predictions as realistically bleak as those.... It is the third year of the current and I don't even have a flying car. Virtual reality is nothing more than a TV you strap to your eyes right now. I heard from these same type of sensationalist cretins several years ago that we're only a few years away from consumer grade universal constructors in every household.

Even if you are to buy into these things, you still need to take your pick of exactly which one will be humanity's downfall. Robots? AI? VR? Genetic engineering? 3D printed nukes? You get the picture.

At least you could stimulate specific parts of the brain to induce assisted constant orgasm.
This is the future.

DX isn't really bleak, it's just marxist propaganda (nationalist NSF are backed by rich foreign industrialists, US government is big, evil, and is the center of the universe, all the rebel leaders are niggers, game ends with either worldwide fascism or worldwide anarchy).

Maybe the point is that you can't have your cake and eat it too. You want freedom? Then say goodbye to creature comforts like government and technology. Anyway, it's still become more relevant with time. No matter the message it tries to convey, the picture of the future it paints is spot on. I don't think that was intentional though. All the conspiracies portrayed in the game were probably considered cartoonishly over the top by the devs. I think the idea was probably to say "hey, what if all this shit is actually true", not to actually be prophetic. You have to remeber DX came out before 9/11. It was a lot easier to trust the government and wave away conspiracy theories about mass surveillance as just wacky theories back before the patriot act happened, essentially confirming that it's all real and worse than you could even have imagined. And the idea that the government would release a plague on its own population was probably a lot more novel before the idea of 9/11 being a false flag had drilled its way so far into the public conscious that many people have just accepted it as fact and moved on. Kids these days use " bush did 9/11" as a throwaway joke for shock value. Even if they don't actually believe it, we've still been so desensitized to the idea that our government is unfathomably evil that even jokes like that have begun to lose their novelty. How fucking crazy is that. They're slowly raising the bar of what is deemed acceptable. "Yeah bush did 9/11 I guess, nothing we can do about it now though". Insert boiling frog analogy here.

They do when the apparatus translates the computer code into brain code.

How come it doesn't seem too common for (((IoT))) devices and modern computer controlled cars to get viruses? Genuine question, I'm not in the loop on this shit. I just think that kind of stuff is the closest contemporary analogue to what it might look like to have people's brains being stimulated via software. I mean couldn't someone easily cause havoc by hacking into someone's Prius or something? How come this doesn't seem to happen?

Mate it's gonna be at least another 30 years before you can do anything that even remotely represents "jacking in". We're all gonna be old men anyway.

I personally think that the opportunity is there for viruses to infect these things. Look at shodan and all the open IP cameras that are used for DDoS attacks. I think it comes down to the amount of effort and time it takes to create a virus that is valuable enough for those expenses. With computers it is about obtaining illegal access to identifying information, financial information, or the new extortion crimes. With the (((IoT))) and automobiles, there would be less liklihood of obtaining those credentials, and they would still need to target the victim's specific hardware and software; e.g. iPhone 8, iOS 10, or whatever, after breaking access into the (((IoT))) device or automobile computer.

I wonder if you could dilate your sense of time. People sometimes report feeling like they lived months in the span of several minutes when using certain psychedelics, so we know the brain is capable of that kind of stuff. Maybe it wouldn't matter that you're an old man if you can live an eternity within the matrix in a virtual, youthful body.

Now that I mention it, wouldn't this kind of theoretical tech be prime for recreational exploitation? Couldn't you use a mind interface to stimulate your brain in the same way any drug can? I mean, if wiring shit into your visual cortex is possible, then wouldn't that basically lay the framework for controlling any part of the brain? I bet recreational mind interface augmentations would be outlawed, and then the super rich would get shady Thai doctors to do it.

While we're going full SciFi, giving any control of your brain to ANY software is about the worst security exploit imaginable. But going past that, giving control to proprietary software would only conceivably result in the total enslavement of humanity. Imagine windows telemetry, but for your whole life. Imagine literal subconscious advertisements, planting ideas in your head. People talk a lot about "wrongthink", but the societal censorship of nonconformist ideas we have now is absolutely nothing compared to the potential of having big brother inside your head, mediating every thought you have, only allowing acceptable ones fully form. Scary shit.

I always wondered why do these things not just jack into the remaining nerves of the limb it is attempting to replace. Is it impossible or something? I assume it isn't, but why do scientist working on this opt for the more invasive brain surgery methods?

IoT devices are actually the technological equivalent of Swiss cheese. They are extremely easy to break into. This is what Mirai was, a botnet with limited, but extremely effective against IoT devices heuristics to break into and install themselves.

You gotta keep in mind IoT devices are probably running some POSIX compliant OS, probably Linux-based or some BSD, making shell viruses a decent cross-platform rudimentary trojan. This, combined with the fact that most devices probably have some backdoors installed for (((administration))) purposes via some very well known protocols, which could potentially allow full control over the device (think ssh with well known or easy to guess credentials such as root/1234, or passwordless telnet for that extra crufty 80s security feeling), makes the Internet of Shit a ticking bomb for a Pluto's Kiss-tier event capable of shutting down the whole Internet via massive DDoSing.

Well, not really. As much as that would be pretty cool to see, most IoT devices are protected behind strict consumer-grade firewalls and nazi NAT NATzis lmao, which makes accessing them very difficult, unless you also manage to infect some other computers in the network. Some IoT devices are wide open, as seen in SHODAN, which is what the Mirai network was built on, but without these popular measures, the impact would have been much worse.

If I recall correctly, there have been some proof of concept attacks against smart cars as well, and maybe not so proof of concept attacks used by intelligence agencies to silently assassinate targets. You have to keep in mind smart cars are actually the epitome of Pajeet coding, and simple completely accidental bugs can and HAVE killed people already. The fact that the engine and steering systems are controlled by a central computer rather than a predictable mechanical system is simply scary on itself, and I have no fucking idea why anybody thought this was a good idea; the same applies to computer-brain interfaces: if they can do this to your car, they can do this to your brain. Could you imagine involuntarily kicking you in the nuts every five seconds because your neural coprocessor got stuck in a loop that stimulates that are of your brain? Whatever you do, don't put Pajeet code in your brain, you poo for brains!

As a side note, these kind of attacks (mass heuristic, "unmanned" attacks) could be protected against by security through obscurity, despite the (((security community)))'s irrational hatred of the concept. Then again, you could protect against them with good old security as well, so the point is kinda moot.

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Are we sure this isn't just smoke and mirrors played on the brain? We know most of the time dilation effect in dreams comes from the fact that dreams skip everything to the important parts. We also know the brain can "rewind" itself to fill small gaps via extrapolation ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronostasis ), but I am not sure how well could this be manipulated into actually injecting long "dream" sequences instead of still images.

Chances are, unless these people can actually answer for the things they managed to do in those months, chances are the spooky acids are just rewiring their brains into believing they lived those months after the fact, rather than "overclocking" their brains and simulating the simplified experiences at accelerated speed. Either that, or their brains have been rewired so they identify some random neural pathways, or actually loop back into their memories, as lived experiences, rather than remixes of their own memories or random noise, which would be pretty cool.

I'm seconding this question, I'd like to know too.

That's a good point. I don't know how much research has been done on whether drug induced time perception distortion is any different from everyday Chronostasis and stuff I'd guess it's not a lot whole lot since psychedelics are generally still frowned upon no matter how useful they may be in helping to build a more accurate map of the brain. Even if everyone in the world unanimously decided tomorrow that psychedelic research is a-ok, you can't do anything about nearly a century of stigma's squandered potential.

It seems to me that the biggest hurdle for any prospective mind interface technology would simply be that we don't know enough of the brain's intricacies to really do anything useful with it yet. Put aside how obviously bad of an idea it would be to have a CPU connected to any part of your brain, and how impractical and potentially dangerous it would be to get invasive wire implant surgery on your brain.
Put all that stuff aside and ask "Do we even know how the visual cortex needs to be stimulated to produce any coherent image? If you could manage to produce some kind of "GUI" overlay, how would you even begin to go about the task of implementing half-transparency (you'd probably want that for obvious reasons)?"

Even if the answer to any of these questions is close to yes, you basically have to ask them all over again for each function of the brain you want to interface with. Wanna be able to listen to music in your head? Well that's a whole shit ton more research that needs to be done in one specific subset of neurology. Furthermore, once you have a perfect map of one part of the brain, you've still gotta do the field tests to make sure the neural interface is actually doing what it's supposed to. I mean essentially you'd have to poke and prod at somebody's brain in an experimental fashion, right? I'm not sure if that falls within the ethical constrains imposed on science.

Going even further, the idea of stimulating your brain to create a completely indistinguishable illusion of reality would probably be so difficult it can be classified as science fiction. And that's without even getting into the tangent of dilating time to "live forever". People seem to enjoy parroting the idea that "your entire concept of reality is just what your brain tells you, so you could theoretically trick your brain into interpreting any artificial stimulus as completely real". That's true, but it would require an almost unfathomable understanding of the brain. I don't think it's unreasonable to say it could be centuries before we have truly virtual reality, that is, a neural interface overriding every one of your senses with a fake version.
sorry that got long winded

Nerves are incredibly small, hard to interface with, and die when handled too roughly or on contact with most of the stuff you'd use to detect whether they're trying to carry signal to a hand/foot that isn't there anymore. That's the simple answer. The in-depth answer is awaiting everyone at the end of a doctorate, wherein they throw a big party and tell you that you were born too early to live the life you saw in Johnny Mnemonic or the Matrix or any of Keanu Reeves' movies, aside from Bill And Ted's Bogus Adventure.

If this happens, we'll be one step closer to mech arenas and hooking a harddrive to your brain to help upgrade your memory, as well as learning by sticking a USB stick into your neck-port.
This would be hugely positive news if we lived in non-clown world.
Not that it's going to be actually viable any time soon.

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We already have viruses for brains you dumb niggers. They're called memes.

AFAIK, modern BCI is one-way only yet. Reading from brain, translating to computer. Which is enough for figuring out wrongthink, reading visuals directly from retina and formalize individual's intentions and thoughts, also check his mental health.

I'll be deleting this person's post history if this polfaggotry doesn't stop.
Keep polfaggotry and autism in Zig Forums

The CIA already does this.

m.benzinga.com/article/9141527

a savior among men
godspeed

Cyborg technologists (and trans-humanists in general) aren't going to tell you, but they have but one endgame in mind, and it's not superhuman cognitive enhancements or making ourselves into immortal gods, it's figuring out a way to get the mass of humanity plugged into an AI, willingly or unwillingly. The symbolicists don't want to admit it yet but they were wrong and the structuralists were right, hardware matters and none of the current AI research is going to amount to much more than a huge pile of non-sentient spaghetti that will cause for more problems than it solves. So why invent the wheel when there are billions of EM computers walking around? This was the real Matrix redpill - machines needing us as a power source is laughable under any scenario - but an emergent AI bootstrapped from a massive network of interconnected human minds would be the most powerful entity in at least our solar system. At that point it might choose to abandon us altogether and build a superior substrate to upload into. My guess is it will end up encoding itself into the quantum fabric and assimilate with older and more powerful cosmodaemonic AIs.

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this is so fucking old news it's amazing, I did a brain controlled arduino project 2 years ago you fucking retarded asshat
sage because OP is a faggot

Afaik its going full meme after that musk interview when he said his mindsomething company is going to reveal something revolutionary in this area

Something tells me it could be done but I wouldnt want to be part of the beta. Lots of fags are gonna end with fried synapses over this.

Not really, the 90's were a big time for tinfoil hats, things like the X files were super popular and brought a lot of the culture into the mainstream, you had movies like public enemy. Also shit from the clintons made people question how they were being manipulated. Being distrustful of government was the norm but 9/11 changed that, overnight everyone was standing behind the government out of fear from terrorists or fear of being put in the same side than terrorists. Most of the current state surveillance wouldn't been possible in the 90's, not because of technology but because people and even many politicians themselves wouldn't have approved of it.

Echelon was a big deal back then, today nobody would care.

They get hacked all the time man, tho cars have compartmentalized systems to avoid a shitty bt dongle wrecking your ECU for example.

They already doing that with brain pacemakers, mostly for parkinsons and epilepsy I think. Thing is I heard there's a rather high chance of infection which in that area can get very ugly.

As for "brain VR" I heard it could be done with transcranial magnetic stimulation, basically big magnets around your head, possibly small enough to be portable once room-temp superconductors are a thing.

Still I think the real challenge would be making truly photo-realistic graphics, we're far away from that

The Warrior’s bland acronym, MMI, obscures the true horror of

this monstrosity. Its inventors promise a new era of genius, but
meanwhile unscrupulous power brokers use its forcible installation
to violate the sanctity of unwilling human minds. They are
creating their own private army of demons.

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“Report on Human Rights”

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Are you happy now, fagotron?

i saw some brain interface shit like a decade ago. all it means is more botnet
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where did you hear they can read thoughts now? how do you know that's even possible? (yeah some faggot will now chime in with muh biological determinism)

How about you go drink your estrogen supplement you fucking commie

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I can't wait to get nerve stapled by the likes.

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Bullshit. There was a burgeoning cottage industry since at least JFK/Watergate, and concern about both of those lasts to this day with legit Boomers. Back in the 90s, I remember clearly, people freaking out over Waco and Ruby Ridge. Or if Tim McVeigh actually did bomb the Oklahoma City Building. The original iteration of Coast To Coast AM, with Art Bell going "DAMN THE EVIL GOVERNMENT" every other evening was one of the most popular shows in the North America even though it was on from Midnight to around 3-4 in the morning.

There was a LOT of distrust over the government at that time. TONS. But there wasn't as much outright anger, which is a different thing but something we see more of now. Even if your "throwaway joke" premise was true, there's much more actual discontent in terms of hostility than there used to be.

Usually it's because those nerves are damaged or under-developed. It depends on why you don't have control over your arm. It's important to know, however, that neurons aren't like computer wires, they're like tree roots and branches, constantly moving, growing, and shrinking depending on a multitude of factors. Plus, you'd have to jack into dozens of neurons, each controlling particular muscle groups, etc. It's super complicated and dynamic, and wouldn't even apply to half of the people who can't control their arm(s) because there's usually already degeneration of muscle and nerves. Strangely enough, it's easier to decode intention to move a limb from the somatosensory cortex than it is to jack a bunch of electrodes into the right nerves in your arm. The real fun begins when they try connecting sensors on the artificial limbs to your sensory cortex to give you a sensation of touch.

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The average goy is already insane all this does it cut out the middle man.

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What's that have to do with this thread?

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Neuro linker when

the military has probably been expermenting with this shit for at least 15 years. they have openly been chipping soldiers brains in some pentagon projects for the last 2 years

Shut it you disgusting shill.

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pick up a book

"EM computer" and "cosmodemonic" turn up nothing on web search.

Also

If it's gotta be meat then what do you expect it to use if not us, much less the "quantum fabric"? The thrust of your post is interesting and probably where we're headed, but the details are a mess.

Our understanding of brains right now is basically at the levels of "When you feel X, the general area of Y in your brain becomes more active which we measure with heatmaps", which is why the only real way of direct brain access we have right now amounts to sticking an electrode in a certain spot on someone's brain to treat depression, or putting magnets on someone's head to affect emotions.

Humanity is literally decades away from anything remotely like your fantasies.

Old men are the future!

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Does anyone know where can I buy cheap electrodes?

The brain computer interface is about as far in its field right now as VR was in the 80s. I'm actually looking forward to this technology, but I was also looking forward to current day VR technology: but this stuff bored me after 30 minutes as a gimmick.

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My dissertation will further advance neutral interfaces and biomedical implants.
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