Most centrist think their system is fine.
In case of cases they will side with the rightwing, so a major goal is to sow discontent between them, lest we will end up like in Chile.
Like throwing SJWs and alt right at each other's throat. Both spew the same idpol bullshit, but are at odds which id is better to pol with.
A centre vs right civil war would be ideal. This way we can becomebthe laughing third.
Why do leftists have such a hard time convincing centrists?
Noah Powell
Camden Lewis
We need to start a mainstream anti-IdPol movement and focus exclusively on economic issues. Most normies are actually left leaning, even if they do not subscribe to actual leftist ideologies like socialism. A lot of them are actually socdems.
The only thing that made normies reject leftism were the cancerous SJWs.
Samuel Diaz
Because centrism is solely about maintaining the status quo while leftists want to abolish the present state of things. We're fundamentally incompatible which is why you see centrists engaging with reactionaries while shitting themselves over milquetoast socdems or broken windows.
Liam Gutierrez
Question: Why should you? I mean, giving a person enough freedom to broaden up his views to conclusions he works himself to is better option than forcing upon him your ideologies. Now the bigger issue for me isn't what you brought up but how to let people know that there is most of the time a lot fake end-points of self development in philosophical and political sense. You know, you can be stuck with some ideology or prejudices and be completely comfortable because you reached them yourself but the real trick is to recognize the wall you created around yourself just yet with another ideology and move over it. That's in my opinion greater goal than convincing X group about Y topic and I don't know if that is achievable because people are not that stupid but confronting your own ideologies, habits, prejudices, whatever that is, is very painful thing to do and requires a lot of effort, even often strength to go through kind of inner void as you see everything you believed in falling down but I think it's something worth doing. Maybe I am naive but that's my problem.
Kayden Rogers
Most Centrists are Porkies, we should spend more time convincing right-wingers than centrists.
Joseph Thomas
I thought we were trying to convince people here.
Landon Rivera
I think a major issue is visualizing the divide between left and right as it is on the political spectrum, like they're so far apart. Even the most reactionary rightists tend to arrive there because they see something wrong with the way things are, they want things improved even if their way of going about it will just hurt them more (they don't know it yet)
Stop trying to convince people who are for the status quo and think everything is already great, start convincing the blue collar nationalists and low level reactionaries. At least they can acknowledge that the way things are going aren't good, and usually they just hate leftism because they know nothing about it.
Caleb Johnson
the French-Polish alliance to be exact. the Eternal Pole at it again.
this is more or less the core issue: the grand majority of people are liberals who are blind to their ideology, which is why I think the Sniffman is a very fitting communist intellectual for this era. When we socialists start arguing for our views, we more often than not argue from our worldview which is fundamentally incompatible with the opposing liberal one. a classic example would be being forced into apologia for real-existing-socialism: for an idealist liberal, communism has killed 2104422451 million people, because for them political ideologies are actors with agency and states exist in a vacuum and are directly comparable with each other and extractable from their context (the material conditions in which they exist(ed)). nevermind that two semi-feudal countries emerged into global powers in a remarkably short time: they had serious famines, political violence&repression, habitual, crude bending of official truth to serve politics and gross betrayal of promises (which are all reasonable criticisms but misleading without context) - they lost in a geopolitical struggle to the country that had 50% of the world's industrial production at the end of the WWII. that, to them, means that communism has failed, regardless of all successes of socialist states worldwide, successess obviously downplayed or outright erased by anticommunist souces.
Lucas Richardson
Begorrah
Jaxson Gray
Oops I fucked it up.