Reminder that you can manufacture your own CPU
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Reminder that you can manufacture your own CPU
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Ayden Morgan
Cool. Just let me ask my mom to buy me a mask aligner.
Easton Ortiz
lol poorfag
Jason Taylor
Would a super primitive CPU be botnetted? They still make the Z-80 series of chips as used in the ZX Spectrum. If people can access parts of the internet using C64's then an internet capable Z180 machine is certainly doable. I'm figuring since these chips were meant to be embedded ZOG wouldn't bother backdooring them because they wouldn't be predicting any real notable usage.
You can also make a CPU out of solid state components, but again you're at $50k+ if you don't find a way to scavenge the bulk of it.
Nathaniel Cox
Why not make everything yourself user? The lathe, mill, wire bonding machine, and test equipment have schematics and guides online that result in a better product for a much less expensive cost. The microscope can be bought on the cheap along with the furnace. I didn't even search for how to make the furnace, microscope, or mask aligner. But I am sure its possible to make those yourself too.
Matthew Torres
Zig Forums opens it's own non-botnetted chipfab
Asher Morgan
If you rape and enslave your mom, she will buy you them!
Joseph Mitchell
nothing will happen beyond the production of a single logo
Ethan Martin
no, the entire internet, just don't use a piece of shit like firecuck
Angel Turner
Precision is expensive. Sure those tools seem primitive enough but now do same thing with 0.000001 mm tolerances. Then there is also problem with time. You would be long dead before you've made all your tools to make an IC.
Maybe if you only account for raw materials and even that is expensive if you don't buy in bulk. There might be schematics available, but most software is proprietary. You're basically limited to 80s technology. Schematics also tell you absolutely nothing about the layout which becomes very important at high frequencies for example. Old components also got discontinued so you can't get them anymore, there isn't always a replacement available. Newer test gear is full of custom ASICs and FPGAs so you don't have a choice but to start from square one.
Brandon Phillips
Hence making everything yourself, starting from square one and opensourcing your efforts or using the collective open sourcing of others efforts so that collaberation can be made anonymously and privately. That and the only things in that list that need percision are the mask aligner, the microscope, the test equipment/oscliscope, and the mill. Here some stuff to get you started since that's what this thread is going to be then.
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Luis Jenkins
Yea, why not?
Dominic Gomez
Adrian Cox
I don't think you've ever read a single scientific paper. You have absolutely no clue about the scope of the work you're blabbering about or how long it would take. You're completely clueless and are at the very peak of the Dunnig-Kruger curve. Congrats user, you've made it.
Ethan Cox
You have to triage. A little paranoia is good, but too much will kill you. For example, no TLA is going to backdoor a precision mill on the off chance that someone will use it to fab a CPU. It is simply infeasible.
The key to security, so I am told, is modular components/routines that are completely self-contained and do not trust the input of any other modules/routines.
Caleb Nelson
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I couldn't find anything on wire bonding machines, mask aligners, and more percise microscopy then 0.00000000001m.
Matthew Parker
Then enlighten me. What is the scope and how long would it take? I found all this stuff and read through it just because I was bored for 15 minutes. Why don't you in all your knowledge enlighten me on how to fabricate a proccessor, or its tools.
Jackson Edwards
You just admitted that you've spent a total of 15 minutes doing research. I never made any claims about knowing anything about CPU manufacture. But I do recognize that what you're trying to do is recreate an industry with hundreds of thousands of people that have actually been working in the industry every single day for at least the past hundred years, in your basement, for free.
Camden Wright
Then why not learn more yourself so you can contribute instead of shitpost?
Levi Brooks
Like every chip is manufactured in a country where the botnet directly controls peoples lives.
Liam Campbell
It's like Breaking Bad but with more autism.
Evan Martinez
Because I can't take any project seriously without a serious logo.
Connor Butler
I just started teaching myself Verilog, I'm gonna install Icarus later and try and figure a bunch of sample programs out.
Sebastian Allen
If there was no reason not to, you would have already.
Brandon Hughes
Just replicate this megaprocessor.com
Easton Allen
Well user, the answer is yes because china/taiwan. Every IC and package comes from there as they have all the modern methods and tools outside of speciality shops like..... what this thread is turning into. Also found a guide on a mask aligner that is 7,500$ USD but the cost will be reduced since you do all the machining yourself and the two digital microscope inside it will need to be made and not bought since the ones the pdf use are propritary software. So its actually way less then 7,500$ USD.
Connor Peterson
What about optical maskless lithography? I realise it can only do 50 nanometers but could that be enough for a Z80-level chip?
Noah Scott
Holy shit in google fooing for wire bonding machines this turned up zigforums.com
Nathan Perez
There are test features as small as 2μm on OP's fab design so no.
Thomas Phillips
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Austin Clark
I really don't think they'd bother to botnet/backdoor a chip that is used in, what, mid-end calculators now? If they hadn't bothered doing it to the Intel chips until less than 20 years ago there just can't be much incentive. As well you've got some functionality limitations that would make it difficult to get it to do something useful, and if the machine around it is custom-built it makes it harder for their sneeki-breeki antics to work with the rest of your system.
Angel Jones
How much does it cost to have chinks fabricate a design for you?
Isaiah Reyes
Do you trust chinks not to backdoor your chip for huwiee? Do you trust them not to add a debug modules that act as botnet to be sent to marketers too? I wouldn't if I were you.
Does the z80 accept interference being held next to a microwave of any wavelength? Yes? Then its fucking botnet. Does the z80 have debugging hardware access ports on chip? Yes? Then its fucking botnet.
Kayden Rogers
How many old powerPC cpus would need to run to output decent processing?
Bentley Martinez
No point in trying to escape then.
Jayden Long
Anyone can manufacture their own CPU, but first they must invent the universe.
Robert Collins
in my experience verilator is less of a meme than icarus.
Jaxson Murphy
Got it, thanks
Thomas Taylor
Here's a talk Zeloof gave, he explains all the tools he needed to build or buy
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I think if we want to democratise CPU manufacturing we need to start by democratising the tools. I'm sure these these things have more applications than just IC fabrication right?
Joshua Nelson
Congrats, you just reinvented communism. I ain't even mad.
Owen Adams
Is it still communism if I buy the means of production.
Adrian Torres
Question: If I make an electron gun will I get cancer/how do I shield it so I don't die
Justin Watson
In communism, nobody is allowed for private ownership of the means of production as the means of production is owned/shared by everybody. The idea here is not communism because people are allowed private ownership of the means of production. The idea is to make the private means of production available to any random person without the normal huge cost of production. That isn't the same as communism.
Ryan Perry
Of course it's possible. What's not possible is to manufacture a CPU that's more powerful than a Gameboy. You'll need millions to fabricate more powerful CPU.
Juan Sanchez
Well the more people make stuff the better it gets. Besides, even a basic CPU can accomplish alot.
Christian Perry
I'm not sure how much better you can produce a CPU even with many interested people all producing a trivial grade of CPU. It's certainly a good thing that there is knowledge about the process of manufacturing as well as the design of the CPU. The problem is that upgrading from the trivial level into a higher level requires a significant increase in manufacturing skill and tools. Increasing the level of the CPU is something that is beyond the ability of a one or two person manufacturing team can achieve.
Leo Peterson
GIVE ME YOUR SHEKELS