Well, it has so far lacked direct applicability, but as things like AIs become more and more common, and we develop the computing power to track and simulate the extremely complex "chaotic" systems in life like memes and organizations, some sort of formal model becomes a requirement. It's only the past few decades that the broader applicability of the selection process has become apparent, but I think it's time to recognize natural selection as just one of a family of related processes.
Hence the broader definition: Over time, systems S whose output Y results in conditions Z become more prevalent.
Xavier Turner
you are looking for recursion user. you now understand generacy and degeneracy.
Luke Howard
also hope you watched westworld.
an algorithm designed to survive and sophisticated enough to think it is in control.
Nathaniel Phillips
Humans are herd and pack animals to an extent. When in a sufficiently large group they defer to others to make decisions for them, and those leaders put aside most of their personal choices for the best of the group. To this extant any group becomes something of an individual in its own right. We see personifications of this all the time from Russian bears to Uncle Sam and Athena. In some cases, as with DC comics, you have biological processes emulated by the comics and heroes more far reaching acts. Memetics are the largest group activity on Earth, barring language, and so I posit that any sufficiently large meme will inevitably begin to emulate human activity. Well, could be percieved as such. Pepe and Wojak being good case studies for memes that resisted irrelevance and persisted, causing something of a Cambrian Explosion in varieties. A truly successful self-perpetuating system will kill off its competition while creating 'offspring' system of alike, but not identical, structure.
Another example, shareware games almost died out with thr advent of higher budget studio works. Come Digital Extremes, the director had started up and remembered that memeplex well. Warframe started as one of the first modern 'free to play' console games and over iterations refined the model. It, being a good example of bang for your buck microtransactions, is actively damaging AAA games like Destiny. Now AAA is almost forced to imitate DE's model in games like Anthem.
Damn OP, I'd had similar thoughts in the past but your highbrow diagrams make it look official.
Well, those seem to be fairly broad concepts. Has anybody applied them to things like this? How would they fit in with my autistic attempt at modelling things? So would the active selection rule be a degenerate case of both natural selection and the survival of a business in a competitive environment? I'm not all that familiar with higher math, best I can do is calculus lol. So the idea here is that a self-perpetuating system is a recursive function? I guess that makes sense but by just leaving it at that we don't have any kind of structure. I'm trying to come up with something I can apply to real systems and maybe get some useful parameters out of. See , where I looked into how different systems propagate. By using the same basic framework one can arrive at a model for some fairly different things. It's all obviously a work in progress.
Ryder Sullivan
My highbrow meme diagrams are just symbols I came up with to give some sort of visual intuition to what I'm tryiny to say. They're still WIP and likely not optimal. I don't even know if what I'm trying to do has already been done by some amphetamine overdosing mathematician in some obscure department somewhere.
Ryder Garcia
what does this have to do with politics???
mods can we move this?
Joseph Davis
Literally everything you dumb cuck. Just like race threads, religion threads and science threads, this has a place on the board. I am trying to approach the analysis of the things the field of politics is based around and exists to solve.
If you want to understand how it all comes together you need some sort of formalized approach. Right now every field more complex (higher abstraction) than biology is a mess of heuristics, the occasional theoretical insight and a whole lot of unstructured data. If you want to REASON about shit like intergroup ethnic competition, you need to define the things you're talking about first.
Blake Wood
It's got plenty to do with politics. Applying this to party politics explains the adoption of talking points and lobbying groups. Self feeding systems. Currently the largest and most extensive self-perpetuating memeplex in politics is the military-industrial complex. So large that the American cultural empire latched on and was carried around as a by-product.
