Creating Context: This Is A Hostage Situation

There has been a lot of defeatism and low morale following the happenings leading up to the midterms and the midterms themselves. It has become clear that the Trump grace period has ended. The demographics are not in our favor, our enemies are blatantly cheating and rigging elections and the border is agape. We cannot vote ourselves out of our planned genocide but I don't believe we have zero political agency going forward. I think in fact the next 5 years will determine how difficult the conflict to come will be. Let's get started talking about ways to shape narrative going forward.

1. The Democrats are putting Republicans and conservatives in a hostage situation. This is a good launch point to frame what is happening politically in the United States right now. The Democrats are relentlessly corrupt and will not be stopped until they live out their revenge-porn of eradicating their opponents through demographic replacement and the implementation of the nanny/police state. For millions of Americans this is a direct attack on their way of live and their political agency. Many are demoralized and feel things are hopeless in regards to combating a D supermajority in government. They are right. There isn't anyway to legally or democratically combat them further. That's why it's imperative to spread the message that they are taking heartland America hostage and forcing them to be part of something they don't want to belong to. Tell people they are being taken hostage by philosophical, ideological, spiritual and racial enemies. Why? A people who feel attacked are more ready to fight back. This context creation is based less on the logos we as anons are so fluent in, and moreso in pathos, but it will be effective for you as it has been for me. Nothing wakes the people up quite like telling them they have no choice, no freedom, no options.

2. I won't let them take me/us hostage, what are our options?

Obviously the easy answer would be to say "fight back" but how? As long as bellies are full and the games are on violent revolution is unlikely. However this is an opportunity for creating more context and predictive programming in regards to civil war or guerilla insurgencies in the Untied States. I think a more curious way to frame this would be to push for secession, OR to push for mega-states such as NY, FL and CA independence from the union as an act of responsible government. Responsible government was a term used in the decolonization of the British Empire to refer to the foundation of governance the British government required of it's colonies to apply and be granted independence. Look at all the social media posts from kikes and niggers saying "fuck texas, fuck florida, I hope you drown when the hurricane comes" or other such posts. The union is dead. Why not tell states composed of people like that they shouldn'e be beholden to those racist hicks in flyover land? They should be self-governing entirely! If a cucked to death state made the push for independence prior to the eventual ethno-state it would tie up the militaries hands attempting to wrangle that state back into the union, which could allow other such movements to pop up and take advantage of the situation. Alternatively if a coalition of mostly White states could form a coalition for secession the idea of a peaceful dissolution to the union covers the same basis. Get in people’s heads that the country is breaking up one way or another.

Why is representational power granted to the masses over the makers? Is a certain type of citizen more valuable than another?

This last one is more a of a question for people to chew on, but it’s important as well.
Remember lads, Rhodesia isn’t a place, it’s an idea.

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"midterm. Voting. Saviors. Just wait for Jesus. Just turn the other cheek. Everything is under control. Left. Right team left team right. Just make more money. Defeat the system by joining the system. Youl get power! Let me control you! Whats in this for me I mean, justice is only important when I benefit? Fear me! Just get pieces of paper. Don't talk about the trillions of problems here , talk about how you can get power! You need more religion! White women! Yes! Feel fear! Immigration! You need us! A celebrity just talked down on a celebrity, feel better about yourself because somebody else fights your battles for you! Don't save the innocent, we need to save Milo and other honey pot controlled opposition! Just consent to this! Stick to the same wording so we can control you easier! Use buzzwords that lead to a chain reaction where npc 2 goes MUST ATTACK NPC 1. "

- DEMORALIZATION FAGGOT

Thanks for shilling my post. At least someone saw it

Pretty good OP in a time when we're all wondering, "what now?" Your post doesn't need to have all of the answers it just needed to formally ask the question so we can dive in and discuss. This thread has potential.

This board has never been about "movements" or coordinating efforts in the real world outside of raids, shitposting, and salt mining but we've come to an end-pass where really nothing we do here can have as much of an impact as what we can do out there in every day life. An explicitly subversive national socialist, perfectly normal in appearance and personable in mannerisms, completely unassuming, who is interested in the subtle hacking of minds, the implanting of correct information, and encouraging whites to freely talk about issues they feel like they can't talk about is a massive weapon. Whites feel isolated right now, hell everyone does, because of social media. What you have the capacity to do is alleviate that feeling of isolation by engaging in actual conversations with them about topics that nobody else allows them to explore. Whites are adventurous in ways other races are not, and this applies to thought primarily - which gives way to adventurism of the physical exploratory sort.


The social media lock down, in combination with the subversion of this board, have really neutralized a key white nationalist / national socialist stronghold for spreading vital information. It isn't just the censorship. Normies have been calloused by exposure to controversial ideas on the internet and they mostly don't care consciously, or even become immediately bored and fatigued, when confronted with a challenging thought. The rules change in real life though, because exposure to these ideas in real life is NEW and refreshing to them. It's something to explore. In other words its going to take more than exposure to the right meme to impact someone now. As quickly and sharply as the memetic battlefield rises, so it quickly and sharply collapses (just like the rise and immediate fall of Tay AI!). Normies can only be steered and guided subconsciously now online (same with advertising) which requires exposure to our information. Since our ability to deliver that information is become increasingly squelched online, this medium is of less and less use.

The strength of Zig Forums when it was at it's strongest came from it's concentration of unrelenting truth, but… as subversion works that concentration is severely diluted now by various means. By diluting the source of power, with shitposting and over-moderation (to name a few mechanisms), it creates a barrier to the spread and consolidation of vital information. Only a concentration of power can be regenerative like a fountain of truth for people to come and drink, and then go forth into the world and become influencers. Bottom line is if you're the kind of person to engage in long term planning (5+ years) and you really understand how dire our situation is, in a serious-minded manner, then you need to drop all of the spurdo, pepe, brainlet in-group humor we've ironically enjoyed here for so long and focus on "normalizing" the information for people in the real world because fundamentally we don't want this to be "in-group" shit, we want what we believe to become the status quo. What I mean by "normalize" is taking controversial information and delivering it to average whites in actual conversation, with a calm tone, steady facts, a smirk (probably) that begs them to engage and question where others shout them down or silence them. You have to become the ally you wish you had.

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Bump for /bmw/ thread. We need you lads now more than ever.

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His name was Gary J. Willis. He was murdered by the police for standing up for his second amendment rights. This happened because America complacently allowed it's federal government to slaughter the Branch Davidians over at Ruby Ridge in Waco, Texas several decades earlier.

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The Willis story needs to spread.

Solid post, but the pressure needs to be maintained online at all times. Never relent online, but also bring it to the outside world. It can be done.

Cussing in real life (selectively), psychologically, serves the purpose of giving the person you're talking to permission to "get away" with naughty thoughts. The goal being to encourage the normie to explore the thoughts that other people don't allow them to explore. To give an example... today I was having lunch with one of the white assistants I hired (corporate information technology manager) and we were talking about sports. It happened to be on the television. He programmatically made the comment about how great blacks were at sports, pointing out how over represented they are as evidence and then virtual signalling and gushing over how wonderful it was that they were able to seize superiority in that realm "no matter the sport" (his words). Now, my friend / assistant is an anti-christian (no big deal to me) parent of an only white child and has convinced himself that he'll have no more.

Seeing the opportunity with whittle away at his racial misconceptions, I went in without hesitation explaining that the only reason he believes in black superiority is because he watches basketball and football primarily, as if these sports were in some way all encompassing or "better" than other sports. After subverting his contention about the "clear superiority in strength" of blacks by pointing out that basically all of the top body builders and power lifters are white, and that most gold medals are won by whites in the Olympics year after year, and that sports like Golf / Baseball / Soccer have far fewering blacks in them.... I went on to explain how the only thing that enables black dominance in football and basketball is centuries of selective breeding, and a civilization created by white Europeans that feeds them. Take Barry Sanders, Micheal Jordon, Shaq, or LeBron and transplant these people to Africa and suddenly they're murdering South African European farmers and starving to death.

Any time you see a fellow white person feasting at the trough of BLACKED.com, you have an obligation to thoroughly and completely demolish his misconceptions.

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just keep talking to those around you. try and get close ones to change their mind

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I honestly disagree because I don't think any "pressure" is being applied here, we're just provoking more censorship which normies tolerate, and creating a bigger boogieman for censors to chase after. The people I tell that I deleted my facebook several years ago are very quick to tell me they barely even use it anymore except for sharing pictures once in a while of their family. Facebook is just an online photo album for most people. I have several actual photo albums filled with real pictures from before the internet was a thing, and this behavior is only migrated (unfortunately) to an online platform. The good news is that anti-social media sentiment is rising and you can easily stoke this discomfort to your advantage. Average everyday well-adjusted people are not on twitter or instagram or scrolling through youtube comments because they knew it was making them miserable before any of the surveys were done showing it. As it turns out, even if a lot of people are involved in social media, most of them don't enjoy it and the adoption of (((modernity))) isn't occurring as quickly as some would like. Normal well-adjusted people work and they go home to their families to participate in the piece of their lives they actually care about.

People are more and more realizing that the thing they care about are actual relationships, and the number of actual relationships online is exactly zero so there is no reason to logon. In all the years I've been online practicing argument with inflexible people entrenched in their position I honestly can't recall a single mind I've changed. In real life however I can give you half a dozen names.


This user is close to figuring it out.

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The first half of your post is good. My post concerns itself with the second half primarily. There are three ways that the left can be combated. Noviolent economic sanction, violet limited direct action against material, and direct action against leftists and their institutions.

The first is generally the easiest and least costly. It calls for the formation of underground markets to move goods and services, typically grey, but sometimes black in nature. The main goal is tax minimization and resource depravation. For example, alarming amounts of capital still flow through institutions like Paypal, which is throughly kiked. This needs to be combatted. On a personal level, call for payment methods other than Paypal for transactions. On a group/clique level, organize action against paypal up to and including its removal from sites that you frequent. Paypal is just an example. Others include Walmart, Amazon, and many banks. Fight against them whenever possible if they try to open locations in your community, or boycott them entirely. Use credit unions whenever possible instead of national banks, learn about microloans and use them.

On the issue of tax minmization, the best you can do personally is to buy used and to limit your income to whatever you feel is acceptable. Remember that 20% of your paycheck goes to uncle sam and his army of libniggers and actual niggers, so make less and sammy gets less. Outright tax evasion is better for us as a whole, but it puts you at risk, so it's up to you to determine if you want to do it.

The first direct action method can be summed up like this. You have indirect things like attacks on power lines and railways, and then things like throwing caltrops on roads in liberal areas or "guerilla gardening" (throwing invasive species with the purpose of bringing down property values in leftist areas). The goal is to hurt leftists financially/physically via low investment/low risk direct action. These are all examples of attacks on material.

The second direct action method is to go full Zig Forums on the government. That's already been beaten to death, so it won't be disscussed here.

This post isn't as detailed as I wanted it to be, but I don't have the time to do a full write up. Good thread OP, today you weren't a faggot.

It is spreading to who needs to hear it.


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Thank you for a serious response. I'd argue that people in general feel so isolated due to the relentless attack on the family and the forcing of integration of race and gender into all institutions and group settings. I disagree that normalfags can only be guided online. Normalfags are still heavily reliant upon personal anecdotes in shaping worldview. The issue is that through the advent of instant communication and constant connectivity they are reminded more than ever that their experiences are just one of many, and NOT uniform across the board in any capacity. This causes them to devalue and go against their own experiences and worldview in an unhealthy manner because they hold awareness of all the possibilities life can be. This is why they are buying the fatal lies of our enemies. Most harms are however best avoided if one has the knowledge to do so, and in this day in age we have that, but not yet the means.

In terms of communication and the internet I think it's time to start looking for a medium with more refined signal to noise ration. Filtration will be the next breakthrough in communication, it's already beginning. While it's good to be able to namefag to the world about whatever I want online, the fact of the matter is that we don't need the masses, in fact we need a very small but specific portion of the them. I exhaust from having to construct artificial interaction to advance through social situation with people vastly less progenically procreated than myself and likeminds. It's too much fucking effort. The what now looks like beginning to create codes of conduct, standards to bear and other virtuous and qualitative filters to guide the flow of information from top end node top end node. Whether there is a way for that to happen online or not I don't care, if need be we will create a new way to speak to each other.

You can be serious and humorous simultaneously and not them compromise the other. I'm working hard to become the ally we all need to become, and if all works out the leader I wished was there to lead me from the beginning.


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I am, and will continue to do so. Godspeed user.

I think sanctions and boycotts need to begin more widespread of people who are after our genocide. I'm pretty irritated none of us faggots have written the Zig Forums diet book yet but if I have to I'll do it. Jews are heavily involved in the poisoning of food and water, the creation of junk food and water that is killing people through biblical levels of obesity and gluttony and the gatekeeping of who can grow their own food and manage their own livestock in most parts of the world. If you're not /fit/ by now get going, you're running behind schedule. If you already are there is no reason for you not to trash all the jewshit in the food and health industry and with your body as a standard of proof explain what's wrong with what we're eating. I want people to know who is growing the food they eat, whether their local farmer or themselves. This is a way to take a lot of money off the books from the big supermarket chains. The PayPal, Walmart and Amazon suggestions are all important as well. In terms of taxes, the best way to pay the least is to leave cucked to death states and go to low tax states. If you're in America and you're still living in the original 13 colonies you're helping to kill the country and genocide your people very actively. There are several no income tax states and other low tax states. Don't knowing fork over a good piece of your wageslave earnings back to the government by living where they collect it.

"Violent limited direct action against material"
I'll remember that.

Agreed, there are so many factors driving this. The utility in pointing at social media is that it subverts one of the main methods they use for distributing disinformation. Again, with censorship increasing, we are becoming less and less capable of hijacking their propaganda mechanisms online.

I feel like this too sometimes, but then I remind myself that the alternatives in this struggle are existence vs. non-existence. We don't have to agree on which method might yield the ripest fruit because efforts are needed in all directions radiantly. I will exert every ounce of effort I can muster in this, there is no such a thing as "too much effort" because we are out gunned on this. No matter the effort you exert, more will be demanded and required for success.

Agreed, and this is in fact the most effective way to weaponize yourself. My commentary was meant to point out that in-group humor from this place isn't accessible (regardless of whether that is intentional or not) and creates a barrier to entry around the information.


Hello Turner Diaries. :) Anyone who believes Dr. Pierce was just writing fiction didn't quite understand what is about to happen to us in this country. He grasped it with little effort.

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Fucking great post. Republicucks spent all election season pandering to blacks - 90% voted Dem. pathetic.

I wanted to dedicate a separate post to this because I would have a lot to offer such a book.

Every time I try to write something about this it doesn't seem like it's worthy though. The disinformation in the health sector is over 9000% and I don't have any way to "override" or subvert the disinfo. I've been posting on /fit/ now and then, attempting in various ways to preach the truth, but health guru's are like sects of Christianity… every other day there is a new sect and a new gospel. Similar to the 88 precepts, maybe the best way to approach this is to come up with a "X number of precepts" style document that cuts through the shit. Fact, after fact, after fact… without making ultimate conclusions such that it corners the reader into a predestined conclusion. I would need some like-minded peer review badly but I could contribute some starting points in no particular order. (ideally the order would be cumulative and build toward the conclusion) I would have no fucking idea where to start or how to order this though.


This is probably too far off topic but I could honestly go on and on. Even the shit above people are going to ask for 10x peer reviewed studies each before believing it.

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Are you people just too low IQ to figure out both sides only represent jews, or what? Trump even did a stint on WWE which is entertainment with fake rivalries that the stupider whites actually believe are real. All of burger politics has been the same thing for our entire lifetimes. How have you not made this connection after two years of this jew commuting, Natzee deporting, Red Flag law endorsing, nigger freeing faggot? Seriously, help me out here. It's a serious blackpill to see anons this fucking slow and dumb.

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Excellent post. This is definitely something worth doing. I think many other anons could expound upon such a thing as well and honestly the topic deserves it's own thread. I'm slightly versed in exercise science so I concur with your baseline and am familiar with what you're describing. I know "health" or whatever they call marketed dieting schemes these days is filled with garbage. Peer reviewed studies are worthless if your peers are non-whites. One of the biggest challenges to getting started with becoming what we must and filling the voids that continue to grow is to let go of the fear of credibility. Go with what works, not what is signed off on. For health and fitness one's own body is the seal of credibility, if that's right then whatever you are selling is too for most people.


I'm probably a little younger than you oldfag. I haven't been invested in the political machine of the country for as long as you, and there are many like me. I had my suspicions about Trump going into this but I wanted to see it unfold to be certain. I have certain been for some time now though. Where were oldfags like you when Waco and Ruby Ridge happened? Where were oldfags like you when Bush signed the Patriot Act? If you're really on the side you claim to be on then you should have made yourself a model for success and be ready for what's to come.

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This. Even considering doing anything as systemic opposition shows the total ignorance of the inner workings of the enemy. They could be excused as stupid the first time, second time it can only be intentional.

We are faced by an opponent much, much, "bigger" than ourselves, and the only way to win is to use his own weight against him (in a sort of a Judo/Karate move). But you don't want it falling over you, so you need to know to simultaneously step back. That means equal application of accelerationism and segregation of what's worth preserving. We need to cause the collapse on a global scale, massive disasters, wars, death, destruction, followed by merger of cells of the best people that white race has to offer, which could then build their civilization again from the ashes while the biological waste is killing each other. If we go by the numbers, chances of winning in any other scenario are close to zero and any such effort is truly futile.

- No matter how many children you breed, they will still be slaves to the kikes and potentially replaced, as long as they control the society. By doing so, you are wasting precious energy literally feeding them with their favorite food. You are giving them more white children to corrupt and destroy.

- No matter how many white people you convince, more niggers are born and imported in the meantime.

- They control technology, and this is not bronze age where body count matters. Actionable intelligence does.

Demographics, (((democracy))) , etc. , even violent opposition are not the battles that we can win at this point. I'm in a pretty dark mood lately, but I think that embracing all-encompassing destruction might be the only way out. Out of pure spite if anything. Bring their "utopia" to it's logical conclusion, give them the hell that they deserve. Even if it means going after our own. Because that's not something that they have planned for.

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"efforts are needed in all directions radiantly". Cosigned. There's a lot of work ahead of us user. I hope I'll see you out there someday. polite sage for double post

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I think Americans should embrace the imminent reality of a one-party state, because at that point it will be clear to all that democracy has failed and nobody can possibly admonish citizens for starting an uprising. The point at which Democrats will soundly win every election is only several years away. Republicans have shown themselves to be utterly incapable of helping themselves or any of the other white Americans they represent so having them out of the picture makes a negligible difference.

Hitting your head against the wall repeatedly and expecting any positive results is an effort too. What matters are the results. And you failed to deliver.

Even now sending hard facts about demographics to even my most red pilled friends they brush it under the rug. Don't be surprised when the magatards future equivalent sit back and do nothing hoping for baste niggers and spics to save them.

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Bump for the immortal spirit of hyperborea and the conquest of the stars against all conceivable odds..

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You can't seriously think there's enough currency in mass delusion to put anything on this site back into real memetic circulation. The only way shit from here spreads is when leftists decry it spreading and bitch about the people who spread it (themselves). This place is like 98.8% Shit Everybody Knows is Incorrect. The memetic warfare period was years ago, the creativity left with the moralfags, just let it go.

Meme the dissolution of the United States of America into a reality. Even normalfags understand there is a great schism in the USA, they perceive it through wool in their eyes seeing only the right vs left, red vs blue, democrats vs republicans etc but that doesn't matter. Just drive home the point that compromise is no longer possible, meme it hard.
Make the brainwashed left believe that it's impossible to convert the horrible racist whites and since genocide is bad nd shiet the right thing to do is to cut all ties with the racist hicks and live in separate nation states. For the right meme easy to swallow red pills making them understand that the USA government is corrupt beyond hope and all republican representatives are just traitors and cucks that always give in to the crazy commie left.
For those inclined towards natsoc ideology it should be obvious that the kiked states would collapse completely into 3rd world shitholes and become easy to cleanse and reclaim by force afterwards. Obviously federal kikes would do everything they can to keep the USA whole but with memes it is possible to make their own shitskin golem rebel and go along with the dissolution.

This is how America dies.

Where are the goddamn militia? Where is the goddamn army?

This thread is great. Have a bump.

That's the game plan captain.


When it reaches that point it may also be too late to fight back


We are inevitable

The US always becomes a two party system, even if the other party collapses.
The Dem coalition of techno-urban bugmen, nigs, spics and various brown and yellow neoamericans isn't stable either, you see that when pretty openly when older jews get replaced by hispanics or somalis. It's actually one of the reasons why I suspect so many reasons get poured into the "Intellectual Dark Web": These are the precursors for a new "centrist" political lifeboat for those jews who fear getting eaten by their brown pets.

Don't forget that China is ready to step in the second US falls apart. We need to make the collapse global if we are to achieve anything. There needs to be a masive war, die-off of huge percent of population, and pockets of overman-tier whites ready to rebuild the world in their image. Everything else is futile.

I disagree. If China goes and takes over while all the White countries are collapsing where do you think the leeches will go? The global power leader also sets the tone culturally to a degree as well. That (((Americanization))) shit really did spread like the cancer it is. I would welcome the chinese culture of burning mulsims and faggots to spread to the world if they become the power

Don't forget about the aspects of Chinese culture that involve dumping used batteries and playing cards into lakes and building skyscrapers out of sand.

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I appreciate the belated bump on my old thread so I'll give you a reply. In the time since I made this post I have begun planning a new direction for the future. The time is coming, there will be a great White migration in the states. If you are somewhere that supports White Survivalism and White Values then now is the time to stop holding back your tongue and to be vocal. Protect the 2nd amendment and self defense laws, protect the right to be left alone and attack the faggotry of today's world. Talk to your friends, your family and your community about the attack on your way of life and that it must be defended. The time to hold back in those areas has ceases, on everything. Name the kikes, name the deep state, name everyone who is doing evil. For those of you who are deep in enemy territory the time to begin planning your leave is now, if you had not already begun planning. Californian anons should go solidify the Butler Plan. Texas and Florida anons should stay and fight despite what seems like the demographic bubble bursting around them, with those anons lies a great opportunity in our struggle. The original colonies are to be left to the hordes for now, we will reclaim them, but we need to consolidate our forces where we can stand our ground. Remember, so much of this country is abundant with opportunity and lebensraum but for decades their sons and daughters have fled their hometowns for the prospects of something (((better))) in the big cities. It's time to give a blood infusion to those areas and when you start to see less and less White families where you grew up it means it's going to be immensely difficult, and nearly impossible, to properly raise your children and maintain your family among the diseased, the flesh bags, the phone watchers. Reconnect with nature, find your climate, and find your people. Every high quality White worker or White family that leaves will help accelerate the collapse of the system there, and provide aid to wherever they may go. Tell everyone you know. The time is coming, you are not alone and you don't have to be, find your platoon anons

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It is until the player 3 stops watching and joins the game

Obviously Ruby Ridge and Waco were two different but related state murder operations.