Veganism???

I admire veganism for morality angle, but it doesnt hold up to examination. Factory industrialized agriculture and ranching is the problem. Animal foods are healthy from well raised farms. There are fats and vitamins and cofactors in meats that plants do not have.

Are you making the argument cats eating mice balances it's population? I thought it was about animals eating plant life. What's the point of not being able to properly follow through and ask questions about people opinions to find truth.

That's about what it says. Jews said here's what you can eat and here's what you can't, then Jesus said it's what comes out of your mouth that makes you unclean not what goes in. Unless you're talking about eating your defeated enemies in war - which could kill you with disease - you're probably breaking a large number of biblical rules by butchering human meat.

The idea of a human butcher's shop makes no sense when you consider the the economics involved. Vegan-fed meat would be total crap and normal human meat is far more difficult to raise than purpose-bred farm herbivore meat.

Got any good resources? I've heard this before and was wondering what you thought about supplementation then?

Mice eat your vegan chow. They'll get into your home and eat it all if you're not doing anything to stop them. Even in the modern era, human-operated traps are far less effective than a hunting cat or a terrier.

If you didn't know about vermin eating your grain then you absolutely positively 100% need to start going outside soon. They have no intention of sharing with you, and premodern peoples had shit all to fight back with besides cats and dogs (terrier in particular.) Rodents also spread disease, which fucked the medieval world's butt pretty hard.

OP wants peace with furrykind. Ain't gonna fucking happen, simple as that.

Okay. More onto the bible and God's authority. Doesn't the bible contain many contradictions? And don't holy books from all religions have stories about child marriage that dosent condem the practice. I would like to make clear I'm not well versed at all about the bible or any religion and it's holy books. I do not however claim to be an atheist.

If you think taking supplements to round out an inherently deficient plant only diet is good enough for you, go for it. I know animal foods provide nutrition and vitality you will not get from popping a (((pill))).

Honestly, if you are a vegan willing to sacrifice your own wellbeing for a moral stand, I respect that. The problem is vegans refuse to admit a plant only diet is inferior for disease prevention and overall well being.

Do not bullshit me with studies, cholesterol values etc. If you actually have a wide grasp of human health and can interpret and evaluate studies correctly (when they are not poorly designed or biased), and you felt the healing and nutritive potential of quality animal foods you would just know. I am not going to engage in a debate where we toss studies and shit at eachother because that is inane. I judge based on how the foods make me feel.

I agree industrial animal breeding and slaughter is hellish and dystopic. But veganism addresses a problem in a short handed way. There is no way you can be optimally healthy eating only plants. Just try it. 2 years is nothing, the 2 year vegan still has about a year or more of fats left in their brain to starve on, the degeneration will happen soon after that runs out. Endogenous synthesis of fats and cofactors is for survival. Not to rely on for only source lf sustenance.

Coq10, dha, k2 mk4. Carnitine, b12 etc you cant get in any bioavailable quantitiy from plants.

Your body rarely adequately synthesises any of these and more. Bioavailability of nutrients in plants are bound up with oxalates, phytates etc. 100% rda from plants is not same as 100% rda from animal food.

And btw i believe plant foods can be healthy, but to rely on them for sole source of calories is suicidal

I take your point, couldn't this reasoning be applied to anyone that isn't yourself however? Like you want to take my resources for yourself, but instead of killing you I opt to work with you to enrich us both. I'm not using this argument to argue to work with animals or anything but more that, anyone that poses any kind of threat to you even just by existing because you compete with them for resources. This kind of though could result in the destruction of everything but yourself. Or do we feed into working together for the sake of efficiency to fees my selfish desires.but this still feeds the idea that slaughter could be avoided