"Triumph" in the sense that they won the wars and are, in European countries, by and large the predominant form of government. Not that they are correct, or that they're fit to last, or that their ideas are foundationally superior. Their triumph in spite of the fundamental impossibility of their worldview is the problem which I set out to discuss in the first set of posts.
2025 Paradigm Shift
Bentley Howard
Adam Sanders
You're welcome, but no guarantees. I wish people wouldn't spend their life wanking and drinking, but who am I to judge and blame if many of us still suffer from our own shortcomings, let alone the burdens which are forced on us all. I guess things are ordered by something higher if it has to come as a clockwork. We might have to pray it will be fast and painless when it happens. (We all know what to expect. We are talking near apocalyptic conditions here. Imagine what weapons are secret today if nuclear weapons are public knowledge. Particle beams vaporizing cities with a couple batteries? Silent aircrafts zipping out into space like a bullet? Microwave impulse weapons shutting down nervous systems of animals within miles of range? I am talking old concepts from 19-20th century) I am not sure how much I look forward to experience hell after living in a system of slow burn, even though I wish and dream every day of burning all this down, how I just want to be a soldier, like a real man should be, fighting for himself, his own reasons, goals and with disregard to all what is past.
Nolan Richardson
I agree - the point of the obfuscation that I mentioned is not to keep out potential adherents, but to keep out people who have no interest in being adherents in the first place, and who only would become involved for some superficial reason. The goal of the abstraction is to be just so so that an adherent has no problem with it. Also, this does not preclude spreading doctrine. There is a source of doctrine and doctrine flows outward from the source. The idea is to prevent anyone from entering the source itself until they are fully understanding of what it actually is.
Think of it less as alienation, and more as creating incentive to assimilate culturally, and (perhaps temporarily) pushing people away only when they are not ready.
there's a surprising degree of overlap between more "out there" traditionalists like Evola and Guenon and more down to earth types like Hitler. They're connected by people like Ernst Juenger, whose work a good Zig Forumsack should read some time.
You make a very unfocused argument by repeating unrelated things that most people already know.
Any type of government can be circumstantially bad or circumstantially good. It's true that under monarchies and more traditional forms of government, people held incorrect superstitions and had lower qualities of life, but this was because wealth was very dispersed and scientific knowledge was low at that particular period in history, not because they lived under monarchies. Rome and Greece had higher qualities of life because those were two civilizations that, at some point, had conquered foreign territories and appropriated their wealth, allowing for (occasional) luxuries like primitive plumbing. At the peak of its opulence, though, Rome was an empire, not a republic. Point being that prosperity has little to do with the form of government (except in cases like Communism where the government is specifically designed to diffuse prosperity through retarded degrees of centralization) and more to do with circumstances.
I should have stopped reading here.
Yes, but representative forms easiest of all, since those who affect and change the minds of the voting people essentially hold all the power (like what the news media does in this country). It creates the ideal breeding ground for jews because the people who hold real power are out of the spotlight and can work in relative secrecy.
This user has his finger on the pulse.
There is one thing regarding the return to pagan belief systems, though. How can they compete with highly centralized religious forms like Christianity and Islam in a practical sense? I think that few would disagree that ancestor worship is ideal for us, but religions of "one true god" have a unifying character that people seem to crave. I think returning to specific forms of pagan worship is unwise for this reason, and that we should instead focus on the idea of a "primordial tradition" that ties together the pagan aspects of all Aryan civilizations and packages it an an outwardly seeming monotheistic form.
The specifics of how this is to be done is something I couldn't quite say, though.
Gabriel Flores
There is another banch of Post Enlightenment":
Crypto pseudo-Democracy. That is Democracy on the outside but it is ruled by secret society behind teh curtains. Democracy corrupted by secret special services (CIA, KGB etc).
Secret is key word here. Everything about them is state secret and this transformation was state secret too. Its existence is state secret. This is why people don't see it/.
Blake Foster
It isn't. Religions are based on wonder. Religions of the past provided wonders (sent disasters to Egypt, dried seas for jews convenience etc). Or at least religion inventors were able to fake these wanders.
But today's world is too interconnected and fake wanders would be exposed.
Real wonders… but this is not about "creating" regions. This is about waiting when God sends his words and wonders to support his word to you. Did he?
Liam Gutierrez
in anarchy you can see the freedom promised by democracy without the ridiculous bureaucracy of fascism
Juan Wright
no. I meant it is its own color like black or white or yellow.
Lucas Thompson
I'd actually disagree on that. Those that follow for superficial reasons are going to be the vast majority of people. It's why fascist movements had such a focus on aesthetic principles. Don't give the average person so much credit. Most people are uninterested in the larger picture unless there is something that ties them to the larger movement. One of my greatest regrets on Zig Forums is that the BO allowed the "Trump train" to continue along even though we had effectively hijacked the movement. There was a point that he represented us, not the other way around. That ended. It doesn't matter if we hijack something if it leads to the same destination.
How do we do this? We actually used to understand this concept really well before cuckchan got rekt. Tie together everything we want, a legitimately good society. Not exactly what our whims dictate but something that brings together the mundane wish for financial stability with the higher goal (that many don't even realize they want), like a racially European state for them. Hitler was amazing at this:
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It's a simple path, working uphill through the hierarchy of needs.
The secret club mentality is only useful in the directional sense, ie: we keep normies out so everything that filters out is pure. Clean water from uphill washes away impurities at the lower levels. They want to pollute our platform so everything that runs downstream is either not enough to preserve cleanliness, or is already polluted.
Further, the "everything new" mentality represented by your ideal misses out on exactly why people were starting to actually listen to us. It's about putting forth what was great with fixes to make it relevant. Truth and glorification of what makes us actually matter. It might be enough for you or me to say this is what you are, look at our history. But ti isn't to the average person navigating the corrupted wreckage of our society, why should it?
On the other hand, the European man doesn't care about the preservation of ashes, only the continuation of fire. Disregarding the importance of the past is just as dangerous as the current conservative mindset of ignoring the future.
Sir Tarrant of Christchurch was such a breath of fresh air: he showed the impotence of the system. Same thing we have to do but in a different way, showing that you don't have to be a victim.
Your problem with Christianity actually touches on this a bit. A "primordial tradition" totally loses the point of mass movements. It's about putting together a large enough bloc by dragging NPCs in front of everyone else.
No desire to turn this into another shitflinging thread but I really don't think that's true. You're looking at this with some serious bias. In fact, every white society that ever had any doctrine of racial identity was Christian. The ancient world was full to the brim with mongrel states. Paganism sure didn't keep Persians pure, it didn't help Egyptians, Sumerians, northern Indians, etc.
The Norse kept themselves white due to their geography, they mixed in with other Europeans . The population of Iceland is almost a 50/50 mix of genes between Celtic and Nordic.
The issue is identity and some people will disagree with me, but a people keeping their racial character/identity just doesn't require a blunt object, it needs purpose. A morally healthy population will seek to keep its racial character without even needing any major push while a corrupt populace will inevitably succumb to the muddy tide. Pagan Rome's empire fell apart and was mixed out of existence by the greed of the empire and the same aristocratic hubris that others want to emulate. You need the people and the people need all the tangential aspects of governance and the state to function correctly. A healthy race is about much more than just focusing on race. There are a lot more aspects to keeping the race alive than just self-focus. Do you feel proud for existing or do you feel proud for doing? The doing gives credence to existence. We're holistic beings.
Dylan Fisher
this thread is like a little golden age within Zig Forums's post-2015 kali yuga, thank you anons
Angel Campbell
What do you think needs to be done in order to reignite the fire?