National Socialism And Its Larpers

Christopher Cooper
Christopher Cooper

National Socialism And Its Larpers

Just because of historical connotations, it isn't viable. No one wants to be associated with that, even racially aware white people. It's a dead end because a large portion of already racially aware white people will reject it and because the vast majority of white people will reject it.

Trying to appropriate imagery from the Third Reich is a losing strategy, it already has too many historical connotations. Even using the same tactics that worked in the 1930's are not viable today because social media and technology add a whole new dynamic onto everything. There is no political strategy in which a party labeled as a National Socialist party would gain traction among white people, these are the failings of the National Socialist branding.

However, I think a parties focused on traditionalism and nationalism are viable, as you can see in Europe today. Nationalist parties and governments are forming in Europe, one example would be Orban's Hungary and Denmark in which the ruling Danish People's Party advocates for socialism and ethnic nationalism.

The purpose is to advocate for white people, look like normal white people, not being a neo-Nazi no ordinary white person can associate or sympathize with. That's why some the tactics of the controlled media and the left is to smear their opposition as neo-Nazis and terrorists because it is useful and effective. Not only is it useful in trying to delegitimatize legitimate concerns, but they also use these smears as a justification for censorship and the imprisonment of their opposition.

To gain the support of white people, we must appeal to the majority of white people or we will forever be on the fringes. We need well meaning white people to be our inspiration, not bad actors playing into their wild fantasies. We will only succeed if we first defeat the enemy within us.

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Joseph Reed
Joseph Reed

cites jew subversives

Grayson Kelly
Grayson Kelly

The one system that actually worked is historically untenable? You colossal fuckwit. Capitalism has been a total disaster, crawl back to your shelf and mcfucking kill yourself.

Dylan Young
Dylan Young

these are the failings of the National Socialist branding.

Learn to read, okay shill?

Thomas Rivera
Thomas Rivera

Oy you have to follow our structured (((european))) nationalism
See how well it works here goyim, so white
Stop scaring the invaders just be normal and it will all be fine and traditional

Lincoln Richardson
Lincoln Richardson

Wasting your time here. This place is full of nothing but LARPers, shills and reddit crossposters who only want an echo chamber.

Jeremiah Kelly
Jeremiah Kelly

OP is a faggot
Hail Hitler

Jacob Evans
Jacob Evans

It worked because it was something new that addressed the needs of its time. Hitler specifically rejected symbols of the past like the Kaiser. National socialism had none of the negative historical baggage that it now has. But they lost the war they started and that's how they will always be remembered.

Isaiah Richardson
Isaiah Richardson

Literal cuck. You love being told what to do by strong men.

Ayden Butler
Ayden Butler

<MUH OPTIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICS
<LOOK AT THESE RANDOMS
<PATRICK LITTLE IS BAD GOY
Kill yourself kike.

Colton Diaz
Colton Diaz

lost the war they started
Confirmed shill thread. Churchill started the war.

Angel Moore
Angel Moore

All Amerimutts are annoying Larpers. America is the great Satan and Hitlers greatest enemy were not England or even the USSR, but America.

Jack Ross
Jack Ross

HOW DO YOU DO, MY FELLOW GOYIM! HEY, YOU KNOW, NATIONAL SOCIALISM REALLY ISN'T THE WAY TO GO IF WE EVER WANNA GET RID OF THOSE CLEVER AND HANDSOME JEWS! THE FÜHRER WAS A BIG GOOF AND IT'S BAD OPTICS! WE SHOULD ALL JOIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND USE THE POWER OF THE VOTE! YEAH, THAT'S THE TICKET YOU DUMB G… I MEAN MY FELLOW WHITES! WE SHOULD DISAVOW HITLER AND NATIONAL SOCIALISM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, ONLY THEN CAN WE ACHIEVE VICTORY AND A FUTURE FOR WHITE CHILDREN! AND THEN WE CAN ALL TAKE A WELL DESERVED NAP… *YAWN* I SURE AM TIRED, AREN'T YOU TIRED GOYIM? WE SHOULD TAKE A NAP AND TALK ABOUT THIS LATER!

Remember, traitors get the bullet first.

HEIL HITLER!

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Lincoln Nguyen
Lincoln Nguyen

lost the war they started
You outed your self.

Jonathan Collins
Jonathan Collins

Outing your self (((1))) posting kike.

Gabriel Watson
Gabriel Watson

sage

Jack Jenkins
Jack Jenkins

You failed.

Jonathan Lewis
Jonathan Lewis

And jew walk a lonely road, I'm sure.

Gabriel Johnson
Gabriel Johnson

If Patrick little wasn't a threat they wouldn't be censoring him. You can't even watch or share any of his videos. Thats if you can even find them in Jewtubes search function.
vid not related

Dominic Torres
Dominic Torres

CHRSHILL!!
Typical American bullshit, blaming the fat Anglo lets divert any responsibilty from their own nation, turning England into a scapegoat to safe their simple minded world view; just as everything is literary black/white, there is only good/bad to the Americunt.
Accepting Hitlers dishonest offer would have been idiotic and there was no reason to give in after dismantling Czechia.
Hitler "started" the war but everybody knew that it wasnt over yet in 1918. And its a good thing he did, he saved Europe from Stalin and gave those French faggots a well deserved beating. The (((USA))) wouldnt have done shit to stop their Georgian friend.

Jeremiah Stewart
Jeremiah Stewart

Grow up kiddies, I'm talking about the perception that most people have of the war. Actually, unless you're no different from the brain-dead masses, the causes of any war are more complex than 'he started it'. But the fact is, it's history and we need to move on. Learn from Hitler but don't ape him. You need to get past your false dichotomy of national socialism or cuckservatism.

Nathan Garcia
Nathan Garcia

learn from hitler
I agree with this sentiment, but it is still false that he started the war.

Isaac Edwards
Isaac Edwards

false dichotomy between cuckservatism and national socialism
There is no dichotomy there is more like the false dichotomy cuckservatism and liberalism, not national socialism since the ideology is about truth and fighting for the people and to preserve the people.
I think you are disingenuous you are not gonna convince people by saying
s stop being national socialists larpers
Is not convincing anybody this didn't convinced anyone then and is not gonna do it now.

Sebastian Howard
Sebastian Howard

who needs white ppl when you have Q?

Josiah Smith
Josiah Smith

/qresearch/index.html

Aiden Kelly
Aiden Kelly

don't ape him
The Führer literally predicted National Socialism would rise again in his final political testament:

"That from the bottom of my heart I express my thanks to you all, is just as self-evident as my wish that you should, because of that, on no account give up the struggle but rather continue it against the enemies of the Fatherland, no matter where, true to the creed of a great Clausewitz. From the sacrifice of our soldiers and from my own unity with them unto death, will in any case spring up in the history of Germany, the seed of a radiant renaissance of the National Socialist movement and thus of the realization of a true community of nations."

We are the fruit of that seed. National Socialism is the only ideology worthy of the Aryan man. Fuck off optics cuck.

Zachary Nguyen
Zachary Nguyen

But the fact is, it's history and we need to move on.
Read "who started world war 2" and say that again you kike.

James King
James King

So what? You want to spend the rest of your life arguing about who started a war 80 years ago? The best book on the subject is AJP Taylor's 'The Origins of the Second World War' if you're interested in a bit of objectivity.

Sebastian Howard
Sebastian Howard

The one system that actually worked
It addresses the issues of the time but it wouldn't be as effective now. Capitalism is failing but it's not a total disaster. A total disaster is socialism. National Socialism worked for what it needed to do back then but the internet exists now, you can't simply just take out dissenting opinions anymore. You need to create a fair, working environment.
You won't listen of course, you'll just call me a Jew.

Isaiah Williams
Isaiah Williams

It only worked back then, because e-everything is completely different now. Even physics!
nein

Angel Parker
Angel Parker

The times right now just aren't hard enough yet. We need full economic collapse and potential civil war to wake people up. We use the term 'wake up' when we really don't quite comprehend it. The vast majority of people simply can't be bothered with such trivialities in their lives. They're too concerned with their children's college fund and mortgage and their 9 to 5 job and their day to day drudgery and bullshit. That is asleep. When all that nonsense is stripped away and the blankets are pulled from over their heads and their dilated eyes begin to throb in the harsh sunlight, that is waking up. When there is no more economy and there are no more mortgages or colleges or money and there is no more job and when people TRULY start looking around at what happened and they try to find solutions to fix it, then they will, at last, see.

Carson Evans
Carson Evans

Nah would read hitler's war and the world defeated the wrong enemy.

Ian Johnson
Ian Johnson

we need
we
need
you won't do anything, nigger

Luke Barnes
Luke Barnes

That doesnt even make sense.

Noah Jenkins
Noah Jenkins

Physics
Absolutely missing the point-tier b8, m8
Elements of it can work now but a full on authoritarian regime like in Nazi Germany is unsustainable because of the internet. The biggest revolution since the industrial one?

Austin Harris
Austin Harris

So you're still here huh?

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John Campbell
John Campbell

Nice try Moshe but I've done enough reading on the topic. It's helpful for you to keep everyone talking about 1939 instead of how to build a better future.

Elijah Peterson
Elijah Peterson

Elements of it can work now but a full on authoritarian regime like in Nazi Germany is unsustainable because of the internet.
Do you have any evidence of this?

Jaxson Ross
Jaxson Ross

Lol so much hate in here 😂>>13221334
Yeah unfortunately….crabs in à bucket

Michael Barnes
Michael Barnes

A thread died for this.

Jose Flores
Jose Flores

I'm talking about the perception that most people have of the war.
Until you reclaim the honor of the German National Socialists, you will never be anything but a "nahtzee".

The demonization of the German National Socialists is the
FOUNDATIONAL PILLAR
of the modern political opposition to White advocacy.
If you cannot topple that pillar, you will never achieve an outlet for White advocacy.

This factual statement is built upon your own argument, that people presently have a negative opinion of the German National Socialists during WW2. If you cannot change that, you will never be able to achieve openly supportive mass appeal in the vein of White advocacy.
And if you cannot achieve such, then the White race will cease to exist.

Thems the breaks kiddos.

Justin Hill
Justin Hill

Talking to yourself is bad form. We've been over this before.

Jason Green
Jason Green

Oh you mean mine I guess

Eli Sanchez
Eli Sanchez

China, which invest billions of dollars to prevent dissent and policing nation. It follows the authoritarian model and there's nothing but infighting between factions, people with different goals and motivations and the complete Orwellian censorship/spying on the internet.

Lucas Wright
Lucas Wright

THIS !
DANKE user

Thomas Fisher
Thomas Fisher

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Carter Lee
Carter Lee

China, which invest billions of dollars to prevent dissent and policing nation.
Seems they're doing a pretty good job of it.
It follows the authoritarian model and there's nothing but infighting between factions, people with different goals and motivations and the complete Orwellian censorship/spying on the internet.
Yet, their regime stands.

Sounds like you just proved yourself wrong.

Asher Cruz
Asher Cruz

National Socialism is identical to Communism.

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Luke Clark
Luke Clark

Agreed. However the jews know this, they will not repeat the same mistake from ww2.

Dominic Brooks
Dominic Brooks

white
A French isnt German and a German inst a Russian, fuck off with this snowmutt shit.

Kayden James
Kayden James

they will not repeat the same mistake from ww2.
You don't know much about the history of the jews, do you?

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Adam Gray
Adam Gray

ethnicities are all that matters, racial cohesion is irrelevant!
Oh thats cute sport.

Grayson Sullivan
Grayson Sullivan

Seems they're doing a pretty good job of it.
Considering all it needs is a good kick in the door and a massive economic recession, which is based on the unbalance trade with the US, it has no rucking way of standing long term without subverting and conquering the entire planet to do so.
Yet, their regime stands.
Their regime is killing each other on the higher up positions, how do you expect to do fucking anything when you're worried that another faction is going to usurp you?
Why do you think Chinese innovation is basically stealing US technology?
And undermining local government like in Australia?

Hudson Kelly
Hudson Kelly

There are easier ways of destroying that pillar, like pointing out Churchill supported the slogan Keep England White.

Jason Rivera
Jason Rivera

Considering all it needs is a good kick in the door and a massive economic recession
I don't know of any political system which regularly survives such threats in historical terms.

Their regime is killing each other on the higher up positions
And their regime is still standing.

Why do you think Chinese innovation is basically stealing US technology?
Because that's very Chinese in a cultural context, and has served them well historically.

And undermining local government like in Australia?
Why wouldn't you seek to undermine your regional competition?

You don't seem very smart.

There are easier ways of destroying that pillar
Oh?
like pointing out Churchill supported the slogan Keep England White.
Nigger, most people don't know who Churchill is.

Jonathan Taylor
Jonathan Taylor

Practice extreme prejudice with nazis, make sure you spoil all their women through money, drugs and sex

Mason Sanders
Mason Sanders

Practice extreme prejudice with nazis, make sure you spoil all their women through money, drugs and sex
See:

Reported.

Parker Scott
Parker Scott

See also:

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Hunter James
Hunter James

Also worth noting:
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What do the mods consider a 'spam thread', I wonder?
What constitutes as 'low effort' thread?

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Jaxon Campbell
Jaxon Campbell

I don't know of any political system which regularly survives such threats in historical terms.
Then you're retarded and have no idea how a country works. Not like we should be a slave to the economy.
And their regime is still standing.
If you wish to have an unstable regime with factional infighting, then go move there. History has shown that factional infighting causes collapse eventually, it's not even that uncommon in Chinese history.
Why wouldn't you seek to undermine your regional competition?
You don't seem very smart.
Because we're not Jews.

What a sloppy job, didn't even break a sweat replying.

Mason Ramirez
Mason Ramirez

You can't do it because we muddied the waters
Ya gotta change the system from within the system where any attempts at reform can be corrupted and also give up all tradition and symbolism so that you can become a diaspora with no culture or ties to any particular homeland
Otherwise you'll get called names by the media because that totally hasn't been backfiring on them for the past 3 years with shitstorms such as the one surrounding Pewdiepie teaching a whole generation of kids how bullshit media is
Dansk folkeparti as a rolemodel despite it being surface level as fuck

So are you a Ballwashing Bucko, or a Mr. Redditur hapa factory?

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Camden Morris
Camden Morris

Well, evidently, to Hitler ethnics were more important than "race" so eat shit.

Hudson Ortiz
Hudson Ortiz

Orban's Hungary and Denmark in which the ruling Danish People's Party advocates for socialism and ethnic nationalism.
What are their views on israel?

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Jaxson Powell
Jaxson Powell

Then you're retarded and have no idea how a country works.
You haven't made an argument to offset what I said, so I'll continue to wait for you to to do so.
Reminder, as to what I said:
Considering all it needs is a good kick in the door and a massive economic recession
<I don't know of any political system which regularly survives such threats in historical terms.

If you wish to have an unstable regime with factional infighting
This is an inevitability in any system of governance, regardless of the degree of authoritativeness in play.

History has shown that factional infighting causes collapse eventually, it's not even that uncommon in Chinese history.
History has shown that factional infighting is an inevitability in a population that does not share a common vision.

Why wouldn't you seek to undermine your regional competition?
Why didn't you answer this question?
You don't seem very smart.

<Because we're not Jews.
Jews are not, by any means, the only power which, historically, has acted to undermine their regional competition, especially if that competition was of another racial group.

What a sloppy job, didn't even break a sweat replying.
That explains the toothless response. Try harder next time. Work up a sweat.

Joshua Gray
Joshua Gray

Hey mentally ill spammer, I will remind you that Zig Forums is and was never a nazi board, gtfo fuck face.

Andrew Garcia
Andrew Garcia

Well, evidently, to Hitler ethnics were
Highly relevant, as was race. The notion that Hitler had zero racial affinity, had no desire for racial cohesion, is laughable in the utmost.
If you can't argue in good faith, don't argue.

Brody Martin
Brody Martin

Hey jewish spammer, I thank you for the accusation of mental illness from a semitic viewpoint, and I will now remind you that Zig Forums is now, has always been, and will always be, a National Socialist board.
But I like this new methodology you're testing of "I'm rubber, you're glue". Very novel.

Charles Stewart
Charles Stewart

Laughable that you apply this modern American understanding of "race" to a 20th century Bavarian. Its obvious he thought little of Slavs or the French, his understanding of race was way more sophisticated than white/black and the idea of a Pole and a German having a child would have appalled him.
There is no "white race", its just an American LARP.

Tyler Murphy
Tyler Murphy

You haven't made an argument to offset what I said, so I'll continue to wait for you to to do so.

Reminder, as to what I said:

Considering all it needs is a good kick in the door and a massive economic recession

<I don't know of any political system which regularly survives such threats in historical terms.
The Soviet Union being a big one, it didn't fall Hitler said it did but it did once the US overworked its economic struggles to the max.
It's inability to adapt and keep up with the United States is a key part of it.
This is an inevitability in any system of governance, regardless of the degree of authoritativeness in play.
No it isn't, it's a key factor in authoritarianism because factional infighting is usually relative to a political party.
History has shown that factional infighting is an inevitability in a population that does not share a common vision.
Like in Chinese history. Not everyone is going to agree on one thing.
Why didn't you answer this question?
I did, we're not Jews.
Jews are not, by any means, the only power which, historically, has acted to undermine their regional competition, especially if that competition was of another racial group.
Because Jews are the stereotypical definition of what you think of subversion. It doesn't make it right when they do it, it doesn't make right when anyone else does it.
That explains the toothless response. Try harder next time. Work up a sweat.
It doesn't take much to disprove you, nigger. Come up with an actual argument.

Alexander Roberts
Alexander Roberts

Laughable that you apply this modern American understanding of "race" to a 20th century Bavarian.
<Hitler didn't believe in race bro!
his understanding of race was way more sophisticated than white/blac
So is mine.
The European people are a racial clade composed of various ethnic categories. This is the case for every racial group on the planet.

If you can't argue in good faith, don't argue.

Blake Campbell
Blake Campbell

mah ancestor :)

Landon Perry
Landon Perry

Considering all it needs is a good kick in the door and a massive economic recession
<I don't know of any political system which regularly survives such threats in historical terms.
The Soviet Union being a big one
The Soviet union didn't survive it though. And that's just another Communist example.
I repeat:
<I don't know of any political system which regularly survives such threats in historical terms.
You haven't made an argument to offset what I said, so I'll continue to wait for you to to do so.

No it isn't
Yes, it is.
it's a key factor in authoritarianism
Yes, minimizing it and reducing its functional capacity to interfere with governance - but it continues to exist in every case.

Like in Chinese history.
Like in the vast majority of powers in human history, yes.

Not everyone is going to agree on one thing.
And in an authoritarian system, generally speaking, more effort is put into minimizing the harm this can and does cause, juxtaposed to a more 'liberal' system for example, wherein it becomes a foundational aspect of politics, thus creating an absolute mess generally leading towards cultural and national collapse.

Why didn't you answer this question?
<I did, we're not Jews.
That's not an answer to the question.
I repeat
<Jews are not, by any means, the only power which, historically, has acted to undermine their regional competition, especially if that competition was of another racial group.
Because Jews are the stereotypical definition of what you think of subversion.
There is a distinct difference between jewish subversion as a parasitic elite relative to competition with regional powers of different racial groups.
Do you deny this, yes or no?
It doesn't take much to disprove you, nigger.
I don't think you know what it means to 'disprove' something, nigger. But then, such realms have always been beyond non-Whites.

Cooper Garcia
Cooper Garcia

Do you have an argument to make? I can't tell what you're even attempting to imply with your one-sentence shitpost of no contextual relevance.

Jonathan Wilson
Jonathan Wilson

You are very mistaken if you think you can use half truths or straight out lies to further your political goals. This is what crashed leftism within really months and there is still no bottom in sight, it doesnt matter what fancy theory you come up with when a funny frog and a > are enough to unveil any fallacy.
If you think you can play Propagandaminister you are mistaken and will find yourself in the same hole as the Jews soon enough.

Adrian Stewart
Adrian Stewart

I'm a relatively neutral in regards to both positions here.
So I might as well weigh in.

First of all, OP, this is an irrelevant thread. Not only will your ideas fall on deaf ears but since the enemy will label us Gnatsees no matter what we do, nothing you say will convince them either.
As for the public, well, National Socialism is an ideology. If it doesn't appeal to people, it won't appeal to people and it will die out except for the fringes. Fascism, like communism, was once a popular brand. Not so much anymore.
I don't bother trying to convert people to wordisms. I try to change their ideas and thinking.
And you'll never accomplish that by coming here to insult us. You're acting almost as bad as the "White nationalism is stopping White nationalism" guy except you actually back up your position.
If you phrase your positions a little less aggressively, you'll find that Zig Forums is a remarkably diverse place.

Essentially, your point is; Don't act like a LARPing fool in public. Keep your power level low.

That said, there are a lot emotional non-arguments ITT as expected.

Also, this "Hitler dindu nuffin" nonsense is ridiculous. He did start the war. By definition invading another country is starting a war.
B-b-but Churchill was…
Churchill wasn't the PM in 1939 dumbass
B-b-but Britain was behaving aggressively
How? By saying "Don't invade this country?"
Wow, holy fucking shit. How dare they. I'll bet that Hitler would have been just A-OK if Yugoslavia invaded Austria. In fact, Hitler's own ally Mussolini did the exact same thing with Austria that Britain did with Poland and Hitler backed down because he was weak. Only later did Mussolini withdraw his protection of Austria.

Don't want an unwinnable war? Don't invade peoples' allies.

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Aiden Green
Aiden Green

I made an argument that your understanding of race cant be applied to the National Socialist worldview and that what you see as ethnics would be considered race in Germany.
You just made some claims that were beside the point and threw a shitty catchphrase around, so stop playing stupid.

Robert Moore
Robert Moore

since the enemy will label us Gnatsees no matter what we do

If you are called an idiot, do you then become an idiot?

Nolan Hall
Nolan Hall

The Soviet union didn't survive it though. And that's just another Communist example.

I repeat:

<I don't know of any political system which regularly survives such threats in historical terms.

You haven't made an argument to offset what I said, so I'll continue to wait for you to to do so.
Then there's probably been a lost in translation, mate. Because it was my point that they can't survive this kind of pressure. China didn't, Spain didn't, Nazi Germany wouldn't. Which is why elements of it could work but not the whole package.
Yes, it is.
An authoritarian government suffers from it far more because there's nothing in between one group and the other to prevent the struggle from being all encompassing. It's not able to function because there's never a moment of peace.
Yes, minimizing it and reducing its functional capacity to interfere with governance - but it continues to exist in every case.
That doesn't mean shit if the Government is the one fracturing. You can't repair it when the government itself is breaking.
Like in the vast majority of powers in human history, yes.
But particularly in Chinese history, human beings don't agree on everything.
That's not an answer to the question.
I did, we're not Jews.
There is a distinct difference between jewish subversion as a parasitic elite relative to competition with regional powers of different racial groups.
Do you deny this, yes or no?
No there isn't because that vying for power is always going to have one group rise above the rest. It's a competition of wills between several different peoples.
I don't think you know what it means to 'disprove' something, nigger. But then, such realms have always been beyond non-Whites.
By disproving you, nigger.

Easton Perez
Easton Perez

Already been argued spammer.
This is a natsoc board.

Lucas Moore
Lucas Moore

I made an argument that your understanding of race cant be applied to the National Socialist worldview
No, you STATED that, you didn't make an argument of it.
And I immediately pointed out to you that such argumentation was blatantly disingenuous and false.

and that what you see as ethnics would be considered race in Germany.
And there is nothing to suggest that to be the case, rather, there is much evidence to suggest that ethnicities would have been viewed as ethnicities and the European people viewed as a racial clade composed of ethnic categories.

You just made some claims that were beside the point and threw a shitty catchphrase around
That's literally what you did.

Brayden Diaz
Brayden Diaz

I don't have to do anything you dumb fucking monkey, it's all already happening.

With the technology of our times, the jess now have the ability to prop up economies, based on nothing, on literal thin air. It is becoming much harder for economic collapse and reset because of this type of instant electronic manipulation. Artificial inflation and market manipulation have kept the US economy afloat for the last 30 years, where it should have reset to zero, already. It will happen soon, though. Artificial scaffolding can only hold for so long until the tonnage of the inflated system finally tumbles. When it does, it will be glorious.

Kevin Cruz
Kevin Cruz

stop playing stupid
ad hominems and argue like a jew
be a hypocrite and playing stupid.
You do know anons can see through your bs schlomo?

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Juan Thompson
Juan Thompson

No.
You point out the fallacies of their position.
Personally, based on the vague definition of National Socialism that most people accept here, I am indeed a staunch National Socialist except for my annoying ability to question our Lord and Savior, Adolf Hitler.
However, if some leftist faggot calls me a Gnat-see, the way I'd usually retort is In your opinion I'm a Nat-sea. You're only saying that because I'm White. "Nazi" is just a racial slur you spew at White people who question White Genocide. You say you are anti-Nazi. What you are is anti-White.
That generally shuts them up by overloading their NPC-brains with positive information.

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Dominic Powell
Dominic Powell

Hitler had a more specific view of race than you
<Hitler didnt believe in race
Thats your logic.
Open a 30s schoolbook and you will see that white/black doesnt apply. Mirko Wiriskowski tattooing the swastika on his chest is just silly.

Thats and ad hominem you idiot.

Nathan Myers
Nathan Myers

Then there's probably been a lost in translation, mate. Because it was my point that they can't survive this kind of pressure.
Yes, my point was that NO POLITICAL SYSTEM can survive that kind of pressure into perpetuity, AND that ANY AND ALL SYSTEMS will espouse what you've described as contributing to downfall as the consequence of people not being equivalents in vision.

China didn't
China is still extant though. Probably as a direct consequence of their authoritarian policy positions inhibiting the capacity of this 'factional infighting' to cause too much havoc, unlike whats being seen in the US and other Western countries wherein such infighting has become foundational within the political system, leading inexorably towards demise.

Which is why elements of it could work but not the whole package.
I argue that, in fact, the authoritarian policy positions of many authoritarian states that still exist are primarily what is keeping them in extancy; however, acknowledging that no system of governance could stand up to a military assault of significant power (a strong kick on the door) combined with economic recession.

It's not able to function because there's never a moment of peace.
That's actually the opposite of the case of what I've observed, with authoritarian systems keeping such conditions from exploding out of control as is currently transpiring in the West.

That doesn't mean shit if the Government is the one fracturing. You can't repair it when the government itself is breaking.
This is an inevitability, merely representing a spectrum of propensity towards such outcomes.

But particularly in Chinese history, human beings don't agree on everything.
Exactly.

That's not an answer to the question.
<I did, we're not Jews.
That is still not an answer to the question.
<Jews are not, by any means, the only power which, historically, has acted to undermine their regional competition, especially if that competition was of another racial group.
<There is a distinct difference between jewish subversion as a parasitic elite relative to competition with regional powers of different racial groups.
<Do you deny this, yes or no?
No there isn't
Then you're stupid and I have no reason to waste any further time conversing with you.
Utopianism is faggotry writ large. Life is struggle.
The idea that Jews are the only factors who engage in inter-racial competition with regional interests is the claim of a fool who believes the lion and hyena were friends before the arrival of the Jew.
because that vying for power is always going to have one group rise above the rest.
As it should.
It's a competition of wills between several different peoples.
Yes. Jews were by no means the source of this reality. If anything, Jews are the source of the claim that this reality is anything but requisite and intrinsic to existence.

By disproving you, nigger.
I don't think you know what it means to 'disprove' something to an even greater degree now, nigger.

Jaxon White
Jaxon White

churchill
Churchill and the people before were still in on it.
And no he didnt start a war and if were going to come to that logic, poland technically did by having replacing polduski's with a (((puppet))) and loading it up with propaganda and than provoking germany to war despite told many times not to harm the germans.

Carter Carter
Carter Carter

Hitler had a more specific view of race than you
He didn't though, and you've failed to demonstrate otherwise in any capacity whatsoever.
Open a 30s schoolbook and you will see that white/black doesnt apply.
I never said it did, I said that the European aka 'White' race was viewed as a racial category with ethnicities composing it.
Which was the view of the National Socialists.

The idea that National Socialist Germany claimed or believed that each European ethnicity was its own 'race' is simply faulty, let alone that these ethnicities should demonstrate no solidarity or cohesion in optimal conditions, and I request you demonstrate otherwise with evidence as opposed to mere claim.

I remember seeing, quite recently, a wonderful graphic demonstrating the National Socialist view with regards to ethnicity in Europe. If someone happens to have it available, please post it.

Nathan Jones
Nathan Jones

poland technically did by having replacing polduski's with a (((puppet))) and loading it up with propaganda and than provoking germany to war despite told many times not to harm the germans.
Technically, the UK and France did, by giving the poles the belief they could do it and have support against any incursion against them.
I don't blame the poles nearly as much as the Allies, on the same basis I don't blame the Russians as much as the Jewish Bolsheviks for what transpired in that instance.

Charles Williams
Charles Williams

Pilsudski died in office.
He was succeeded by some military guy. If that's being a "puppet" then Hitler was a puppet for taking over after Hindenburg died.

Poland started the war by having a peaceful power transfer.
Stop talking out of your ass. That makes no sense at all. By that logic, Hitler started the war by taking power in Germany.
Less emotional retorts. More logic please.

Hudson Sullivan
Hudson Sullivan

I'm so lonely..

Carter Williams
Carter Williams

except for my annoying ability to question our Lord and Savior, Adolf Hitler.
Depends on how you go about it I suppose.
Lots of people question certain aspects of what Hitler said or did - its how you go about doing it that dictates the response you'll receive.

That generally shuts them up by overloading their NPC-brains with positive information.
I've never seen that route ACTUALLY shut someone up, though I've seen it attempted many times.

Nathan Young
Nathan Young

Then go out and talk to some pretty girls, pussy.

I advise you take up running. Get in shape. Go running in the park without a shirt on.
That's what I started doing and I have to swat these cunts off with a fucking stick.

Juan Campbell
Juan Campbell

I dont have such a thing prepared, so I just have to trust people reading this are educated enough on this subject so they see that you are full of shit.

Angel Parker
Angel Parker

It generally works for me. They get disoriented. I doubted it would work until I tried it in person. Obviously it doesn't work on the internet but IRL it does if you retort with confidence and laugh at them while doing it. It either sends them into a daze or breaks their PC-fuse and they go nuts.
Both are productive responses as far as I'm concerned.

Kayden Gomez
Kayden Gomez

No, the purpose has always been advocating for National Socialism. Zig Forums has always promoted being fit, articulate, ubermensch representatives of the race and mocked being the stereotypical skinhead shown on tv though reaction to optics-cucking probably makes some feel like it's a good thing so as not to be associated, but first and foremost advocating National Socialism and truth no matter what the normalfags think. Our mutual enemies are still visualizing that we're all dumb rednecks somewhere, and that's the detriment to them, not us, as it gives us an element of surprise and power. To the average person if you are this way and conduct yourself well and advocate NatSoc positions passionately, it makes them think, "Hey maybe those Nazis weren't so bad"

You cannot hope to have white identity without first rehabilitating NatSoc Germany

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Nolan Perez
Nolan Perez

No shit pilduski died in office, I am pretty sure somewhere that the uk were using poland as a tool to get the war they wanted.
The moment hitler privatized the central banks (((they))) were not going to let him get away with it.

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Hudson Lewis
Hudson Lewis

I dont have such a thing prepared, so I just have to trust people reading this are educated enough on this subject so they see that you are full of shit.
Hate to break it to ya bud, but I think they're going to come to a different conclusion.

It generally works for me.
Perhaps, but I've never witnessed such a thing.

I doubted it would work until I tried it in person.
I've seen it tried in person, but all it drew was laughter and immediate dismissal ala "You really ARE a NAZI!". Granted, those I was it applied to were not an optimal stock for such efforts.

Cooper Roberts
Cooper Roberts

Hah, I made that.

John Davis
John Davis

based and objective-pilled.

Ayden Bennett
Ayden Bennett

but also gay for dismissing your brothers as having a less nuanced understanding of National Socialism as you do.

Lucas Roberts
Lucas Roberts

Of course I dont blame the poles nor russians for blame taking advantage of, I still don't blame them for what they think of world war 2 and germany nowadays.

Gabriel Cook
Gabriel Cook

Props to you for a well organized infograph.

Samuel Collins
Samuel Collins

I try. Sometimes I do better than others.

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Julian Sanchez
Julian Sanchez

I am pretty sure somewhere that the uk were using poland as a tool to get the war they wanted.
Well, okay but that just brings me back to my original post. Hitler took the bait.
He didn't need to. He could have not done what the jews wanted him to do and then Germany would have kept growing stronger. Maybe we'd live in a National Socialist world right now.
But nope. He thought he could win somehow despite not having a plan and took the bait. Starting a war against a naval superpower without even a plan to defeat them. A few years later, Berlin looked like the moon and Germany was goingthrough de-Nazification.
This is why I'm not as enamoured with Hitler as I once was.

True.
idk, people think National Socialism is everything. It's like with Christianity; everyone has their own interpretation of what True National Socialism is. Even I do.

Jace Torres
Jace Torres

I'm a divorced father with a kid.
I eat healthy and go to gym regularly.
Every women in Australia is a hyper-leftist.
Relationships do not last longer than 6 months if you are a National Socialist, even if you hide your power level, nuggets of truth slip past the goalie.

Jacob Evans
Jacob Evans

This poster, ladies and gentlemen, is a Jew.

Juan Price
Juan Price

Hitler took the bait.
And? I probably would too.
It was the right thing to do at the time.
That it didn't work out doesn't change that.

He didn't need to.
Yeah, he could have left those Germans to die. That was an option - but that doesn't mean it was the right thing to do.
He could have not done what the jews wanted him to do and then Germany would have kept growing stronger.
Yeah, I'm sure those Jews and their shabbos allies would have just let it go, right?
I mean, after what they did in WW1 with the Balfour thing… And what they were doing in Russia with the Bolshevik thing… I'm SURE that the Jews would have just let it all go, if not for the invasion of Poland.
Maybe we'd live in a National Socialist world right now.
There's nothing to suggest that'd be anymore likely than if they did what they did.
You're arguing about 'what ifs' in a void, bereft of any contextual acknowledgement of what was happening and why.
That's very underhanded, or simply short sighted.

But nope. He thought he could win somehow despite not having a plan and took the bait.
He had a plan though. And he COULD have won. That's a fact.

Starting a war against a naval superpower without even a plan to defeat them.
Yet, he DID defeat them, effectively. Britain was defeated bro. Hitler won.
It was just a matter of making the British leadership acknowledge it, which they didn't because the US got involved.

A few years later, Berlin looked like the moon and Germany was goingthrough de-Nazification.
Yep. That's what happens when you lose.
If only those filthy Franks and Anglos hadn't Allied with the Jews.

This is why I'm not as enamoured with Hitler as I once was.
That doesn't follow at all, given the circumstances.
It is entirely reliant, as an argumentative position, on the notion that if Hitler had NOT taken this bait, that no further bait would have arisen, that no further efforts would have been made, that the Jews would have just let the whole fucking thing go and everything would have turned out better than it did - and there is ZERO FUCKING JUSTIFICATION for that belief.
Thus, as an argumentative position, it falls apart.

Luke Hughes
Luke Hughes

I'm a divorced father with a kid.
Rough.
I eat healthy and go to gym regularly.
Good.
Every women in Australia is a hyper-leftist.
Who cares? You shouldn't be going after women for their political views.
Relationships do not last longer than 6 months if you are a National Socialist, even if you hide your power level, nuggets of truth slip past the goalie.
So don't hide it. What you're looking for isn't a woman whose going to be a NatSoc waifu at the start - you're looking for one that you can fuck well enough and cause to love you deeply enough that she either doesn't care or joins your cause.
And yeah, given you're working with a big pile of rotten wood, you're going to have to delve awhile before you find a decent piece to carve a masterpiece from - just don't go in thinking you're going to find top-quality lumber in the pile, because its mighty rare these days.

Chase Murphy
Chase Murphy

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Benjamin Torres
Benjamin Torres

Stalin would have steam rolled Europe in 41 if it wasnt for Hitler.

Thats what a Jew would say, you are delusional if you think Hitler thought like some mutt and nothing backs you up, so naturally when people look up school books or policies on racial hygiene they will see through your little sherade, nothing Jewish about that Kowalczyk.

Andrew Rogers
Andrew Rogers

Relationships do not last longer than 6 months if you are a National Socialist
One of my standard intro lines when meeting new people is "I'm a massive Racist"
Filter them out at the start.
Why waste time on NPCs.

Oliver Johnson
Oliver Johnson

Chicken Bugmen cannot in any way be compared to the Aryan race and it's need of National Socialism. It is the only political ideology worthy of the most superior race on our planet.

James Walker
James Walker

chicken should be 'Chicom'. Fucking autocorrect on my phone. Also double post sage

Logan Gutierrez
Logan Gutierrez

Meanwhile, 9/10 penguins in that concert hall are rich jews. Good luck, you hopeless cocksucker.

Caleb Roberts
Caleb Roberts

And you love to be shamed by hordes of weak victims

Benjamin Campbell
Benjamin Campbell

he took the bait
I do not know about you, but I wouldn't let my people die.
Also they were plans on defeating international jewery when pilduski was still around, but died.
Also I disagree germany was close to winning, but the moment america forced their way into war it was already over.

Parker Green
Parker Green

people think National Socialism is everything
Well it is a worldview, rather than an ideology, so nearly all situations can be navigated and conclusions drawn that will align with the worldview. I guess people need to do their reading before they take on the title, so that they may fully understand the worldview, in a traditional and contemporary way.
That said, once you understand the laws of nature, it does seem to crystallize quite clearly, debate among natsocs is the best way to distill the trurh of a matter.

I'd also like to give props to this post… OP is a strawman, none of us are actually like the sterotypical neo-nazi that the Jew feeds the NPC's. We are normal men and women, who work normal jobs and partake in wholesome but normal extracurricular activities. The difference is we live by the National Socialist worldview… when I personally argue with people or promote my ideas, I do not bring up natsoc or Hitler and if they are intellectually honesty, they agree with most everything I say.

Liam Long
Liam Long

This thread is personally endorsed by the moderation team, Codemonkey, and Jared Kushner.

Angel Jackson
Angel Jackson

This.
It doesn't take very long for people to see how I swing, I don't hide my power level very much at all.
What I've found is that basically everyone I know is racist, even the ones who think they aren't.

Grayson Allen
Grayson Allen

Yeah, pretty much. Its still here, and its been reported, and the mods are taking no actions on it.

Nolan Garcia
Nolan Garcia

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Parker Clark
Parker Clark

<You know who else likes strong leaders? Cuckolds! HAH! Gotcha!
Mkay kiddo.

Jaxon Robinson
Jaxon Robinson

I suppose I should clarify…
If only those filthy Frank and Anglo leaders hadn't Allied with the Jews.

Ryan Scott
Ryan Scott

It will get anchored mods take a fucking long time to do their jobs.
Their playing vidya or jacking off.
Anyway despite op being a big fucking faggot a nice discussion spawned out of it at the very least.

Juan Jackson
Juan Jackson

A long time ago, I was once in a public-ish discussion with some associates and their friends and I made a pretty tame statement (compared to what I said later on) about race and the glaze-eyed liberal gave the usual "D-dats Raysist!"
I was in an unorthodox mode and I had been listening to the Untrained Eye recently so I let off the Mantra.
I'm a good speaker so I can project my voice effectively and say almost anything with absolute confidence. But I was actually shocked at how well it worked. He just looked at me and I went right back to what I was talking about before and he never called me a ray-sist again. Ever.

I'd take obvious bait too.
Then you're a fool.

he could have left those Germans to die
Of course the massacres only started after he invaded. So don't invade.

The war would have begun later on if Hitler didn't take obvious bait in 1939 when he was weaker.
Yeah. And by then Germany would be stronger. Maybe Hitler could have actually, ya'know, won the war instead of losing.
That's a superior outcome to acting on short term impulses. This is why the jews are in power and we are not. We can't seem to stop taking obvious bait and being destroyed.
Hitler thought like a corporal, not a general.

bereft of any contextual acknowledgement of what was happening and why.
False.
The reason why Hitler lost the war when he did was because Germany was not ready for war. Study the German military in 1939 and you will likely come to the same conclusion.
The reason why Stalin was able to replace his destroyed armies while Hitler was unable to do so was because Germany had been forbidden the ability to have a large military reserve in 1919. Hitler only reinstituted that in 1935. That's not anywhere near enough time to build up a proper reserve.
He actually could have won if he had waited.

He had a plan though.
What was his plan? Don't say Operation Sea Lion. That was a suicide plan. Even Hitler knew that.

Britain was defeated bro. Hitler won.
Lol.
Pic related.

just a matter of making the British leadership acknowledge it, which they didn't because the US got involved.
Another great example of Hitler's dumb decisions. Declaring war on America did not help Hitler to defeat Britain.
B-but America might have declared war on Germany in like 1942 or something.
Cool. One more year. Think ahead.

That's what happens when you lose.

Britain was defeated bro. Hitler won.
?

Your argument relies on the idea that if Hitler had NOT taken this bait, that no further bait would have arisen
Yeah. Hitler was perfectly capable of not being an idiot.

You already admitted that you can't really think ahead very well
I probably would too.
(not trying to be rude, just stating a fact.)
But Hitler's own idol was Otto von Bismark.
A master political animal who baited his enemies into attacking Germany at a diplomatic disadvantage to accomplish greater tasks. Otto Von Bismark would have won WW2 by not allowing Germany to be drawn into a war when she was weak. Or forcing the British to declare an unpopular, unprovoked war and crushing them on the international scene.
Bismark thought ten steps ahead.
Be more like Bismark. Or Ceasar or any of the great men in history who actually though ahead.

Easton Campbell
Easton Campbell

Good advice thanks lads, my ex-wife was one of those fine pieces of timber, she believed everything I said… it wasn't until she started to perceive my views in regards to the current system as instability coupled with the fact her family disavowed us as they were race-mixers. Unfortunately her loyalty ultimately lied with her family, she has secured herself an NPC husband who I admit is a good bloke and that's what she wanted (and that's what I was originally when we met in high-school), not a National Socialist. She's a fantastic mother to our kid so I'm not phased.
However, women these days are for the most part rotting wood, but I am genuinely considering saying up front that I am a racist. The only issue is that I am a business owner operator and have a local reputation to uphold. Sorry about the effort post.

I have seen this narrative pushed lately by the Jew shills on this board. Hitler would never disavow a mixed-ethnicity Aryan. Also its a strawman you are pushing, being for white/European advocacy in no way advocates ethnicity-mixing. Kill yourself you purity spiraling faggot.

Mason Bailey
Mason Bailey

the German holocaust meme
See Or do some actual research on that meme of yours. Trust me, you'll be dissappointed when you try to search for actual examples of Germans being amssacred BEFORE Hitler invaded.
Also
Hitler had to declare war to save his people.
Um… okay. Britain had to declare war to save her ally.

defeating international jewery when pilduski was still around, but died.
I know.

I disagree germany was close to winning
When?

America forced their way into war
Because Hitler declared war on them.
Brilliant.

Henry Carter
Henry Carter

Do everything opposite of what Jew OP says

Connor Flores
Connor Flores

It will get anchored mods take a fucking long time to do their jobs.
No it won't.
They've been active since it was reported multiple times and did nothing.

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Logan Morgan
Logan Morgan

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Hunter Rivera
Hunter Rivera

I agree. This is why I am not ashamed to admit that I am a National Socialist. However, I'm also not adverse to mentally updating it and nationalizing it to my country. Hitler would understand that.

I flat out disagree.
What is more easy to defeat;
Germany fighting a three front war suffering from a massive blockade and being bombed from two sides and wasting resources occupying Europe?
or
A united Europe against the Soviet invasion?

The latter. Obviously.

Jaxon Ortiz
Jaxon Ortiz

The mods are servants of Codemonkey, and Codemonkey is anti-White. All topics that are anti-White are allowed.

Luke Nelson
Luke Nelson

Checked. OP is a conservative reactionary democrat faggot.

Colton Thomas
Colton Thomas

I'm a good speaker so I can project my voice effectively and say almost anything with absolute confidence. But I was actually shocked at how well it worked. He just looked at me and I went right back to what I was talking about before and he never called me a ray-sist again. Ever.
That's quite a story.

Then you're a fool.
I'm not though.
Of course the massacres only started after he invaded.
But that's not true.
The war would have begun later on if Hitler didn't take obvious bait in 1939 when he was weaker.
Whats to say he was weaker when you say he was relative to when you claim he'd be stronger?
More 'what ifs' in a void of context denial.

And by then Germany would be stronger.
You don't know that.

Maybe Hitler could have actually, ya'know, won the war instead of losing.
Or maybe he would have lost even worse.

That's a superior outcome to acting on short term impulses.
Not if the alternative potentiality I described came to pass.
What if this theoretical 'stronger' Germany got nuked instead of Japan?

We can't seem to stop taking obvious bait and being destroyed.
You keep pretending as though there would not have been more bait my man, and that's just disingenuous (I no longer believe you are merely short-sighted).

Hitler thought like a corporal, not a general.
You don't seem very general-like to me my man. Except maybe an arm chair general.

False.
True.
The reason why Hitler lost the war when he did was because Germany was not ready for war.
You have presented no evidence to that effect.
Study the German military in 1939 and you will likely come to the same conclusion.
I already did, and I have not.

The reason why Stalin was able to replace his destroyed armies while Hitler was unable to do so was because Germany had been forbidden the ability to have a large military reserve in 1919. Hitler only reinstituted that in 1935. That's not anywhere near enough time to build up a proper reserve.
Yet the German military utterly curb-stomped all European powers, and only against the massive Red Army - with Allied support and the introduction of American forces - did the war effort falter.

He actually could have won if he had waited.
You haven't provided evidence to support that.

What was his plan?
In which capacity? To defeat Britain?
Are you claiming the Germans had NO PLAN as to how to approach the British?

Lol. Pic related.
You didn't post a pic.

Benjamin Powell
Benjamin Powell

Another great example of Hitler's dumb decisions.
Do you believe America would not have entered the European theater if Hitler had not declared war on them?
Yes or no?

Declaring war on America did not help Hitler to defeat Britain.
It helped by demonstrating that the Germans would not throw their wartime allies to the wolves when doing something that was requisite. And the attack on Pearl Harbor was, for the Japanese at the time, requisite.

B-but America might have declared war on Germany in like 1942 or something.
They definitely would have.
Cool. One more year. Think ahead.
Context denial, assumption that America wouldn't have declared war on Germany in like 1941, or that the year would have mattered given America didn't get involved in the European theater in large number until D-Day in 1944.

That's what happens when you lose.
<…
That's not an argument.
Britain was defeated bro. Hitler won.
<?
More context denial.
The British WERE defeated… And THEN the Americans got involved.
Think ahead.

Anthony White
Anthony White

Natures iron laws are unchanging, the times are ever changing, therefore the worldview is fluid in its application. We should never be affraid of updating it. I agree.

Leo Watson
Leo Watson

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Jose Lee
Jose Lee

Yeah. Hitler was perfectly capable of not being an idiot.
And you've not demonstrated that he WAS an idiot. At all.
You already admitted that you can't really think ahead very well
No, you did that, and now you're putting words in my mouth like a Jew. Very disingenuous.
(not trying to be rude, just stating a fact.)
<I said you were stupid, therefore you admitted you were stupid because you said the thing that I said was stupid!
Typical tricks.

But Hitler's own idol was Otto von Bismark. A master political animal who baited his enemies into attacking Germany at a diplomatic disadvantage to accomplish greater tasks.
That's exactly what Hitler did on several occasions leading up to the invasion of Poland. It didn't work.
Because the people he was trying to bait didn't really give a shit about the people involved, unlike the Germans, who actually gave a shit about their people.
Otto Von Bismark would have won WW2 by not allowing Germany to be drawn into a war when she was weak.
You've not demonstrated that she was weak.
Or forcing the British to declare an unpopular, unprovoked war and crushing them on the international scene.
That's exactly what he did though, forced the British to declare an unpopular, unprovoked war, and then crushed them on the international scene… EXCEPT the papers throughout Europe and abroad were controlled by Jews, and so 'crushing them on the international scene' was a bit difficult, certainly moreso than you imply via your context denial-rife kvetchfest.

Bismark thought ten steps ahead.
By your own admission, so did Hitler.
It just didn't work out. And, after the fact, you, the arm chair general, declare you could have done it better, wouldn't have made so many 'stupid' mistakes - yet you can't even format a fucking post without it being full of inconsistencies and bad argumentation.

Sebastian Stewart
Sebastian Stewart

Yes, my point was that NO POLITICAL SYSTEM can survive that kind of pressure into perpetuity, AND that ANY AND ALL SYSTEMS will espouse what you've described as contributing to downfall as the consequence of people not being equivalents in vision.
That's what I've been trying to say nigger!
China is still extant though. Probably as a direct consequence of their authoritarian policy positions inhibiting the capacity of this 'factional infighting' to cause too much havoc, unlike whats being seen in the US and other Western countries wherein such infighting has become foundational within the political system, leading inexorably towards demise.
Nope, it has everything to do with them switching from a Socialist economic policies to more capitalist one.
How the country actually functions doesn't matter, Spain collapses for the same reason.
I argue that, in fact, the authoritarian policy positions of many authoritarian states that still exist are primarily what is keeping them in extancy; however, acknowledging that no system of governance could stand up to a military assault of significant power (a strong kick on the door) combined with economic recession.
Yes but my point is the entirely of authoritarianism cannot work. Not without basically being tyrannical, which is going to be hard and impossible to put down dissent. So why deal with it? Create a new system of government that takes the best elements of authoritarianism, a republic, monarchy, whatever you think can work. Create something new, nigger. Don't live entirely in the past, it's how Feudal systems collapse.
This is an inevitability, merely representing a spectrum of propensity towards such outcomes.
It's only an inevitability when there are political parties, abolish them and there would be no instability or factionalism, infact create laws banning and punishing the formation of factions.
That is still not an answer to the question.
Because we're not Jews. Understand what it means. To be Jewish is to act in a vicious, subversive way that is parasitic, yes. But it's not attached purely to race, it's form of action. Why do you think the Chinese are referred to as the Jews of Asia? They do the same shit.
Then you're stupid and I have no reason to waste any further time conversing with you.
Giving on a conversation only shows insufferably and contempt to actually proving someone wrong. If I'm wrong it would show and knowing you, this isn't going to be your last response.
Utopianism is faggotry writ large. Life is struggle.
Never advocated Utopianism, I'm not a Commie. Life is a struggle.
The idea that Jews are the only factors who engage in inter-racial competition with regional interests is the claim of a fool who believes the lion and hyena were friends before the arrival of the Jew.
Jews are a factor of the internal struggle against people who undermine others for their own well being. Nationalist don't do that. Hitler never subverted countries the same way say the Communists did. He invaded land for the German people but he never played cruel, malicious tricks on the population.
As it should.
It should be that we leave other to our own devices, the competition of will is merely the reality. It's not always good. Even in Germany, the Germans saw themselves above most other European groups. Zig Forums is pan-Europeanist however.
Yes. Jews were by no means the source of this reality. If anything, Jews are the source of the claim that this reality is anything but requisite and intrinsic to existence.
Jews are symptom of animistic control over a population, that "reality" is isn't control over it, it's living with it. To live in peace and to die to defend your nation.
I don't think you know what it means to 'disprove' something to an even greater degree now, nigger.
I just disproved you, nigger.

Josiah Lewis
Josiah Lewis

One has to wonder how many IPs you are in this thread.

Adrian Campbell
Adrian Campbell

only post is best post. these things don't make themselves

Carson Taylor
Carson Taylor

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Kevin Lewis
Kevin Lewis

Um… okay. Britain had to declare war to save her ally.
What ally? Poland? The "ally" who was invaded by TWO countries in September 1939, only ONE of which did Britain or France declare war on? Why didn't they also declare war on the Sov Union? Why did they leave their 'ally' in Soviet hands for the next half century -without a peep? Why did they force Polish volunteers who fought the Battle of Britain to return to the oppression of their Soviet occupied homeland? Why did nobody on Earth defend Finland from Soviet invasion, except the 'ebil nazis'?

Carter Foster
Carter Foster

Whether you like it or not, this post is 100% legit and OP is absolutely right. There will never be a National Socialist revival because it was slandered to death and there's nothing anyone can do about it, anyone who says otherwise is either a delusional larper or a fed.

On the other hand: Paleolibertarianism, Radical Monarchism, Paternalistic Conservative and Christian Nationalist movements have a much higher chance of going mainstream and a much wider target audience.

Dump your swastikas and start carrying your flags with crosses

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Cooper King
Cooper King

t. Christcuck if not an actualy Kike that didn't read the thread.

Tyler Rodriguez
Tyler Rodriguez

That's what I've been trying to say nigger!
No you haven't. That's what I'VE been saying, you nigger, and you've been arguing against it the entire time.
Nope, it has everything to do with them switching from a Socialist economic policies to more capitalist one.
Seems improbable.

Yes but my point is the entirely of authoritarianism cannot work.
Yet you've failed to prove that in any conceivable manner.

Not without basically being tyrannical
Depends on how you define 'tyrannical'.

Create a new system of government that takes the best elements of authoritarianism, a republic, monarchy, whatever you think can work.
We did. Its called National Socialism.

Create something new, nigger. Don't live entirely in the past
<Create something new… Don't live entirely in the past… But take pieces from past things and meld them together…
But that's what National Socialism is.

It's only an inevitability when there are political parties
No, it isn't. Because even bereft of parties, factions - those involved in 'factional infighting' - still exist.
infact create laws banning and punishing the formation of factions.
Sounds pretty tyrannical from here bro, and extremely utopian.
You don't even seem to understand why these factions form, despite my having explained it to you point blank.

That is still not an answer to the question.
<Because we're not Jews.
That is still not an answer to the question, and it won't be, no matter how many times you say it.
Understand what it means. To be Jewish is to act in a vicious, subversive way that is parasitic, yes.
Yes.
But it's not attached purely to race, it's form of action. Why do you think the Chinese are referred to as the Jews of Asia? They do the same shit.
Bro, EVERYONE does what you're claiming is merely jewish. That's the point.
Which makes this next bit even more retarded…
Utopianism is faggotry writ large. Life is struggle.
<Never advocated Utopianism, I'm not a Commie. Life is a struggle.
If life is struggle, then how can you sit there and claim that its 'jewish' to be oppositional and attempt to undermine your regional competition of another racial clade? You can't. Its retarded utopianism, expressing the sentiment ala
The idea that Jews are the only factors who engage in inter-racial competition with regional interests is the claim of a fool who believes the lion and hyena were friends before the arrival of the Jew.

Giving on a conversation only shows
That I disdain your viewpoints as the product of conversing with you, yes.

Jews are a factor of the internal struggle against people who undermine others for their own well being.
So does everyone else. Its the MANNER in which the jews do so that is the issue, not the conflict itself.
Nationalist don't do that.
Yes, they do.
Hitler never subverted countries the same way say the Communists did.
We aren't talking about subversion of countries necessarily, we are talking about undermining of countries.
And you continue to avoid acknowledging that, if life is a struggle, then undermining your regional extra-racial competition is anything but merely 'jewish'.

It should be that we leave other to our own devices
<The lion should just leave hyena to its own devices
Utopian in the utmost. The world is interconnected, by requisite, invalidating this lolberg-tier stance.

Jews are symptom of animistic control over a population, that "reality" is isn't control over it, it's living with it.
I have no idea what the fuck you're trying to say here.

To live in peace and to die to defend your nation.
Puts every nation on Earth into competition with one another. To expect they would not seek to undermine one another, especially bereft of shared ideological or racial ties, is laughably naive and utopian.

I just disproved you, nigger.
You really DON'T know what it means to 'disprove' something at all, do you?

John Hughes
John Hughes

EVERYTHING WHITE NATIONALIST HAS ALWAYS BEEN CRINGE

And vigorously promoted by Jews for political points and their endless victim hood. Stormfags are the reason White nations are dying. Their mentally ill larping has made it impossible for Whites to be tribal and network.

Dylan Hall
Dylan Hall

My guess is at least 5.

Christian Price
Christian Price

I'm not though
Fools take obvious bait. Don't do that.
If you were a general and you acted upon your emotions, you'd get thousands of men killed.

that's not true.
Got any actual evidence? Because a lot of (((people))) claim that various nations were massacreing them without evidence.

More 'what ifs' in a void of context denial.
And then you say that Britain would have declared war on Germany in the future. Make up your mind.
And again, I am stating facts as context. Germany was growing stronger each year and was physically not ready for a total war in 1939. That's context, nigger. Learn what words mean before you start throwing them at people like a liberal.

maybe he would have lost even worse.
I doubt that.
I've cited actual evidence for why he would grow stronger in 1940/41. You have yet to provide any.
So please, provide just one shard of evidence that Hitler would be in a weaker position in 1941 or 42 than in 39

What if this theoretical 'stronger' Germany got nuked instead of Japan?
Kind of a dumb question. A stronger Germany would be in a better position not to get nuked.
Your question is very disingenuous because you're saying that Germany HAD to declare war from a position of weakness so that an unforeseen technology would not be invented to bomb her later.

You keep pretending as though there would not have been more bait my man
I already addressed this, my short sighted friend.
N-No. YOURE short sighted… I'd take obvious bait though.
Jesus, the irony.

You have presented no evidence to that effect.
That's a lie. I'm not going to talk with you if you keep lying.
Germany did not have the reserves in 1939 for a long war. That takes time. Nor did she possess modern tanks to pursue the kind of mechanized war that Hitler wanted.
I'm not going to tell you that again. Next time you lie, I'll stop engaging with you.

Hudson Edwards
Hudson Edwards

Six.

Gabriel Hill
Gabriel Hill

The Jews found the thread.

Adrian Hernandez
Adrian Hernandez

These insane faggot nazi larpers need to be put down.

Evan Adams
Evan Adams

Equating political realism with blatant anti-whiteness is the same
Being so butthurt that you can't accept the truth

Brody Collins
Brody Collins

the German military utterly curb-stomped all European powers
False. Britain was still in the war and Germany physically could not force Britain to surrender.
Also…
the German military utterly curb-stomped all European powers
Except the massive Red Army
Which was supported by Britain…
And America
Which Hitler declared war on.

Are you claiming the Germans had NO PLAN as to how to approach the British?
Yes. No realistic plan.
Also, I asked you to provide the plan you claim existed.
Provide it.
What was the plan?

Here's the pic
Wow. Look at all that winning!

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Jaxon Barnes
Jaxon Barnes

I'm supporting you. Fuck it, I didn't realize it was that subtle. I'll try again

Ryder Sanders
Ryder Sanders

Germany had a chance to win the war if Hitler permitted the full use of V-2 Rockets but his autistic "Muh Europa" larping caused him to lose the war

Isaiah Parker
Isaiah Parker

Fools take obvious bait. Don't do that.
Context denial, yet again. Don't do that.

If you were a general and you acted upon your emotions, you'd get thousands of men killed.
Its not about emotions, its about honor. If you would stand by and watch your own people murdered, then you have no honor. If you believe honor is worth nothing, then you're a fool.
See how easy that was?

Got any actual evidence?
Yep. But now we're going into evidence-based argumentation all of a sudden? Nah, I don't think so bro.

And then you say that Britain would have declared war on Germany in the future.
Yeah, because the jews would have just let it go, right?
Yes or no?

I am stating facts as context.
Oh?
Germany was growing stronger each year and was physically not ready for a total war in 1939.
Got any actual evidence? See how easy that was?

I doubt that.
Nobody cares what you doubt. Is it a possibility, yes or no?

I've cited actual evidence
No you haven't.

Kind of a dumb question.
Why?
A stronger Germany would be in a better position not to get nuked.
How so?

Your question is very disingenuous because you're saying that Germany HAD to declare war from a position of weakness
Your claim is very disingenuous because you're saying that Germany WAS in a position of weakness, the implication being that she would be stronger - because she was in the reality that did play out, so you claim - later on, despite the obvious fact that if conditions were different, outcomes likewise could have been different.
Butterfly effect.

I already addressed this
No you didn't.

No, you're not short-sighted, you're a disingenuous faggot.
FTFY my man.

You have presented no evidence to that effect.
<That's a lie.
Citation Needed.

Germany did not have the reserves in 1939 for a long war.
Protip: Saying a thing does not equate to proving a thing.
Nor did she possess modern tanks to pursue the kind of mechanized war that Hitler wanted.
Citation Needed.

I'm not going to tell you that again. Next time you lie, I'll stop engaging with you.
Go for it faggot. I don't give a shit if you shut the fuck up, makes it easier for me to deconstruct your disingenuous context-denial arguments without opposition.

Angel Gonzalez
Angel Gonzalez

Imagine not hating your white brothers enough that you won't rocket them. Oh wait, white isn't real and is a Jewish lie my bad.

What we can take from this is that the enemy deserves NO MERCY in the future.

Nicholas Richardson
Nicholas Richardson

Good thread op

Luke Collins
Luke Collins

Read the thread nigger is already been explained.

Grayson Perry
Grayson Perry

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Levi Powell
Levi Powell

That's why some the tactics of the controlled media and the left is to smear their opposition as neo-Nazis and terrorists because it is useful and effective.
Fucking amen. I made a similar thread, but I think there's something larger at work here: I want to re-iterate that I don't mind people agreeing with National Socialism, but I do mind people forcing National Socialism onto everyone.

Liam Stewart
Liam Stewart

That doesn't matter we get called neo nazis no matter what any of us do.

Ryan Hughes
Ryan Hughes

False. Britain was still in the war and Germany physically could not force Britain to surrender.
They could, but then the US intervened.

the German military utterly curb-stomped all European powers
Except the massive Red Army
Which was supported by Britain…
And America
Which Hitler declared war on.
Yep. Had to show solidarity with your allies when they do something they have to do, otherwise who would want to ally with you?
Yes or no, was the attack on Pearl Harbor requisite for Japan at the time?

Are you claiming the Germans had NO PLAN as to how to approach the British?
<Yes. No realistic plan.
So now you're lying.

Also, I asked you to provide the plan you claim existed. Provide it. What was the plan?
<he suddenly gets really into evidence
You really are a slippery lil fuck aren't you?
I'll say outright: I don't know what the German National Socialist plan for Britain was, because I wasn't there.
But given the circumstances, I am 100% certain they had a variety of plans in circulation. Which one was the most supported?
You seem to believe it was this Operation Sealion thing.
My guess is they also had plans in the vein of what had transpired in WW1, the issue once again being the US.
The notion that had no plan, however, is laughable in the utmost.

Here's the pic. Wow. Look at all that winning!
Yeah, that's what it looks like when you lsoe. That picture was from 1945.

You don't think that's a little disingenuous of you? A bit of context denial perhaps?

Tyler Johnson
Tyler Johnson

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Aiden Taylor
Aiden Taylor

Seven.

Wyatt Martinez
Wyatt Martinez

Let's not worry what the Jewish left will think of us, but what our own people will think.

Ethan Diaz
Ethan Diaz

Excellent work.

Carter Sullivan
Carter Sullivan

So wait… Hitler DID have racial solidarity in mind?
racial solidarity is stupid goy!
Hmm.

I'm starting to see a pattern in the posting in this thread.
Its starting to remind me of something…

Caleb Young
Caleb Young

Wrong, normal pro Whites are not called neo nazis because normal Whites tell the lying Jews to STFU.

Blake Smith
Blake Smith

I want my people to think I'm a National Socialist, none of this 'neo' or 'nazi' shit.
And its working over time.

Again: You will never be anything but a 'neon nahtzee' until you can reclaim the honor of the German National Socialists, whose demonization serves as the foundational pillar of the structure you are trying to oppose.
If you can't rip that fucker down, the structure will never fall and you will never make headway.

No matter how you writhe or squirm, thus is the reality we face.

Thomas Jones
Thomas Jones

A powerful ideology is indifferent to inconsequential larping, it willl carry on regardless. I should have labeled the sealion

Ryan Flores
Ryan Flores

No I didn't make my post clear enough. I agree with the pattern you're seeing. Jews are pushing the idea that white isn't a thing and that mutts will get the rope. Its a D&C technique.

Jordan Cruz
Jordan Cruz

Fuck off with your semantics Schlomo.

Owen Cruz
Owen Cruz

National Socialism is as eternal as the very laws of nature it is based upon. There are no semantics, only victory to be had.

Ayden Campbell
Ayden Campbell

I want my people to think I'm a National Socialist
Why? Because you love the idea of government so much?
You hate the idea of personal liberty and think that the individual only has meaning in relation to the State?
You believe in collectivisation?
You are an imperialist?
You want the worlds empires to fight until only one supreme state exists and all people only exist to serve it?

Isaac Johnson
Isaac Johnson

This is why defining terms and seeking clarity is so important on the debate stage. The vast majority of conservatives would hate the thought of being associated with Nazis, but they are perfectly willing to use ambiguous language that could be reinterpreted as dog whistles for the alt-right. It discredits conservatism in the eyes of the political left (justifiably so), and it legitimizes neo-Nazism in the eyes of conservatives.

As effective as the progressives' war against alt-right views has been, it seems that the alt-right has been just as effective at infiltrating conservatism. It is evidenced by the number of idealistic young people have bought into the fascist narrative. It is evidenced by the fact that so many prominent conservative speakers - like Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson - have been rightly identified as gateways to the alt-right community, even though they themselves reject neo-Nazism.

I, for one, am not a fan. If you want your views to be taken seriously, debate them openly and honestly. Don't cling to the rapidly-fading political credibility of mainstream conservatism. If your views are worth being taken seriously, you should be willing to discuss them seriously.

Leo Flores
Leo Flores

normal pro Whites are not called neo nazis
They literally are though.
because normal Whites tell the lying Jews to STFU.
That only makes them double-down on their accusation.
Hence, its a toothless response.

What normal Whites SHOULD do is embrace the epithet, reclaim it and the honor inherent in that ideal. If they can't, or won't, then that ideal will never become reality.

Doesn't really matter.

Ah, fair enough.

No thanks.

Wyatt Flores
Wyatt Flores

✡️Jewish Pride Worldwide✡️

John Foster
John Foster

Bad optics guys, bad optics, the future is infiltrate the GOP, remember when we got trump elected? Yeah that was us. So let's vot GOP again, like in 2018.

Tyler Brooks
Tyler Brooks

LOL! Keep trying Schlomo. Whites are not going to be Nahzess for you.

Carson Walker
Carson Walker

the rules are ever changing. navigate that labyrinth.

Eli Russell
Eli Russell

then the US intervened.
Pic 1

Had to show solidarity with your allies when they do something they have to do
… but Britain was evil for showing solidarity with her ally.

Also, Japan was a worthless ally. Just so you know.

As I said, Germany had no realistic plan to win the war. Operation Sealion was so stupid that it makes the American plan to win against the NVA look brilliant.

I don't know what the German National Socialist plan for Britain was
You should stop speaking out of your ass then. Look up operation Sealion. It was insane.

I am 100% certain they had a variety of plans in circulation.
I don't know what the German National Socialist plan for Britain was
Speaking right out of your ass.
Jesus.
You're a low IQ NPC parroting ideas that you've heard without even doing the least amount of research on the topic.

Why are you so uncurious about history, user? Why?
You are a prime example of one of the sumbasses that make OP kind of right about National Socialists. You don't know anything about World War 2 or diplomacy then or Hitler. Yet you rant and rave and get emotional because you think you do.

CONTEXT!!!!!
Yeah. You claimed that Germany won. Now you claim that they lost badly. Make up your mind, you dumb newfaggot.

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Joseph Smith
Joseph Smith

until you can reclaim the honor of the German National Socialists
If you can't rip that fucker down, the structure will never fall and you will never make headway.
<if you don't revise WW2 the White race must die out
You're a kike shill. I already said it in the other thread: We have thousands of years of proud history, I don't give a fuck about Nazi Germany.
Fuck off kike.

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Thomas Myers
Thomas Myers

Why?
Because its the truth.
Because you love the idea of government so much?
A National Socialist government? Yes please.
You hate the idea of personal liberty and think that the individual only has meaning in relation to the State?
I believe the individual only has meaning in relation to their people, and personal liberty must always come secondary to collective duty to ones kind.
Hyperindividualist lolberg shit is disgusting and gay, and a self-defeating meme. Pic related.
You believe in collectivisation?
Yep, to a degree.
You are an imperialist?
Maybe, but I don't find imperialism optimal.
You want the worlds empires to fight until only one supreme state exists and all people only exist to serve it?
What if I told you I want there to be only one people, in terms of race, and that there could be many governing powers thereover, and for that people to be the European people, and for those states to be National Socialist?

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Andrew Jackson
Andrew Jackson

That's nice kiddo.

Joshua Jones
Joshua Jones

kys

This thread has been overran by JDIF. Anons lurking will know the difference though.

Thomas Hernandez
Thomas Hernandez

How is he a shill?
He is not saying another world war should happen.
i dont give a fuck about nazi germany
Were talking about the ideology not nsdap germany.

Jaxon Thomas
Jaxon Thomas

"What if I told you I want there to be only one people, in terms of race, and that there could be many governing powers thereover, and for that people to be the European people, and for those states to be National Socialist?"

I would say that is utterly horrifying on many levels.

Ethan Collins
Ethan Collins

well-known kike shill agrees with the OP in order to discredit him
meanwhile other kike shills larp as Nazis and call OP a traitor
Absolute get a real job JIDF.

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Ryan Murphy
Ryan Murphy

There are no rules.

then the US intervened.
Yep.
<Pic 1
That's the only pic you posted, why number it?
And why hold up a blurry newspaper headline demonstrating that the Germans declared war on the US to show solidarity with their allies the Japanese, who had to engage the faux-neutral US in warfare?

… but Britain was evil for showing solidarity with her ally.
Britain was evil for showing solidarity with jews.

Also, Japan was a worthless ally.
Maybe, but that's not really the point.

As I said, Germany had no realistic plan to win the war.
You haven't shown that though.
Operation Sealion was
Probably not actually the plan for UK. After all, this is after-the-fact through the lens of the victor's history.
It wouldn't surprise me to learn that Operation Sealion is promoted as 'the plan' post-war to make it seem like your argument is valid, where such is not the case.

You should stop speaking out of your ass then.
I'm not, but you are.
Look up operation Sealion. It was insane.
Yeah, and hence why I doubt that was actually going to be 'the plan', so to speak.
Yes or no - did the Germans have plans other than Operation Sealion in circulation for consideration?

I am 100% certain they had a variety of plans in circulation.
I don't know what the German National Socialist plan for Britain was
Yeah. I wasn't there - nor were you - but I am 100% certain that the National Socialists had plans in play.

Why are you so uncurious about history, user? Why?
Why would I believe that the Germans sole plan for dealing with the UK was an invasion that even at the time the German military recognized was probably infeasible?
Doesn't make much sense.

You don't know anything about World War 2 or diplomacy then or Hitler.
You haven't proven a single claim thus far.

CONTEXT!!!!!
<Yeah. You claimed that Germany won.
They did. Before America got involved.
Now you claim that they lost badly.
They did. After America got involved.
Make up your mind, you dumb newfaggot.
That's some nice context denial my man.

Eli Thomas
Eli Thomas

Have a good night, just try to keep in mind that there aren't jews under every bed

Robert Stewart
Robert Stewart

starting a war
Shill confirmed.

Ian Myers
Ian Myers

I am paid to post here
Never come back, shill.

Samuel Richardson
Samuel Richardson

<if you don't revise WW2 the White race must die out
Yeah, that's whats going to happen.
You can't engage in White advocacy because of that foundational pillar standing in your way.
If you can't remove it, you can't engage in White advocacy effectively.
If you can't engage in White advocacy effectively, you can't save the White race.
Thems the breaks kiddo.

We have thousands of years of proud history, I don't give a fuck about Nazi Germany.
Which suggests to me you're probably a subversive newfaggot or shill LARPing hard in a LARP thread made by a subversive newfaggot shill.

Kevin Perry
Kevin Perry

That's not much of an argument sport.
Remember to dilate.

Connor Rogers
Connor Rogers

I would say that is utterly horrifying on many levels.
That would make me believe all the more that this commentary
This thread has been overran by JDIF
Is extremely accurate.

I wager this is another thread from our pal who argues aggressively against Germany while suggesting the Poles dindu nuffin.

Aiden Thompson
Aiden Thompson

I believe the individual only has meaning in relation to their people
National Socialism is about the person's relationship with the State. The State is beyond a single people.
and for those states to be National Socialist?
Dude sorry to break it to you, but you can't have more than one National Soclaist government in the endgame. The whole point is that the State should grow to become all encompassing.
The National Socialist State cannot abide the existence of another State.
Perhaps you have mistaken national socialism for enthno-nationalism?

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Carter Gomez
Carter Gomez

Germany had a chance to win the war if Hitler permitted the full use of V-2 Rockets
Again, I disagree. At least sort of. This whole "Miracle weapons would have won Hitler the war" has always seemed fishy to me. Particularly since it didn't work IRL.
First of all, he did implement rocket technology and instead of using it against the British fleet, he used it as a terror weapon against London.
What a fucking waste.
But you're not entirely wrong either.
Had Hitler not sperged out and declared war on half the world, he could have implemented better technology and yes, this probably would have helped win a potential war in the future, if he still needed to fight one.

So it's a mixed bag. idk. Maybe.

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Dylan Morales
Dylan Morales

What is up spamming kike.

Elijah Nguyen
Elijah Nguyen

National Socialism is about the person's relationship with the State. The State is beyond a single people.
Nah bud, you fucked up.

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Ryder Edwards
Ryder Edwards

How is he a shill?
Because he preconditions the future of our race to WW2 revisionism. What White nationalist in his right mind would do that.
Europe has a right to exist regardless of whether the Nazis were the good guys or not.

Logan Garcia
Logan Garcia

He's the same loser from

Robert Hughes
Robert Hughes

Nope.

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Benjamin Cooper
Benjamin Cooper

You can't engage in White advocacy because of that foundational pillar standing in your way.
kek, fuck off kike

Andrew Watson
Andrew Watson

Because he preconditions the future of our race to WW2 revisionism.
Because that is the case.
What White nationalist in his right mind would do that.
Its not a matter of consent.
Europe has a right to exist regardless of whether the Nazis were the good guys or not.
And that's an argument you cannot effectively make because of the foundational pillar standing in your path.

See:
You can't engage in White advocacy because of that foundational pillar standing in your way.

If you can't remove it, you can't engage in White advocacy effectively.

If you can't engage in White advocacy effectively, you can't save the White race.

Thems the breaks kiddo.

Daniel Richardson
Daniel Richardson

That's the truth user. Its what keeps you from being able to argue for White interests effectively.
Present an argument that such is not the case and I'll consider it.

Lincoln Brown
Lincoln Brown

We seriously need to get rid of anti-semitism on the right. It is doing our cause huge damage.

Right-wing ideology has nothing to do with schizos and incels (although yes, women need to lose the vote et cet)

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Brody Sanders
Brody Sanders

ayo you dumb kike, make another 58 posts because I couldn't care less
Fucking JIDF full-time shill

Parker Wilson
Parker Wilson

That's not an argument, loser.

Eight.

Samuel Bennett
Samuel Bennett

Germans declared war on the US to show solidarity with their allies the Japanese
…b-but Britain was being evil for showing solidarity with their allies
The hypocrisy is astounding

Probably not actually the plan for UK.
I don't know what the German National Socialist plan for Britain was
So fucking stupid. Not even going to respond to that again.

did the Germans have plans other than Operation Sealion in circulation for consideration?
Yes and they were even worse. They revolved around hoping that Britain would get tired of fighting the war.
Hope =/= a plan.
They also tried the "Let's do that U-boat thing that failed in WW1 again" idea.
That was a bust.
Hitler even tried sending his best ship the Bismark on a fucking suicide mission and guess what; They fucking died. And with it irreplaceable men and materials.

Cooper Cruz
Cooper Cruz

muh NS vs Fascism
NS, like Falangism and Legionarism, is the national (german) manifestation of Fascism.

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Matthew Baker
Matthew Baker

Global report.

Sebastian Lewis
Sebastian Lewis

It doesn't matter if jidf is running this thread or not, in fact I encourage them to use arguments instead of the half ass shilling this board gets nearly everyday, because I am confident it will prove them wrong time and time again just like the beginning years of Zig Forums when they were lolbergs and others around and the best argument has to win it out and it will happen again because it is the truth they can't change anyone's minds here no matter how hard they try I mean compare board then when they were still a lot of trumpniggers around they were convinced or left and it took almost 2 fucking years to let them see the light or most of them fucked off.

Colton Brooks
Colton Brooks

13222222
GET

John Thomas
John Thomas

Nice try, user.
Better luck next time.

Jeremiah Hall
Jeremiah Hall

Nice try
Zig Forums is a natsoc board.

Bentley Parker
Bentley Parker

Let me try again lads.
Ahem.
Europa will rise again!

Ryder Flores
Ryder Flores

Read this article: archive.is/5XiYS
It gives context to such quotes.

Joseph Nelson
Joseph Nelson

…b-but Britain was being evil for showing solidarity with the jews
FTFY. Still true.

Probably not actually the plan for UK.
I don't know what the German National Socialist plan for Britain was
<So fucking stupid. Not even going to respond to that again.
Because you can't. You know I'm right.

Yes and they were even worse. They revolved around hoping that Britain would get tired of fighting the war.
Sounds like a plan.
How did the Germans basically bring the British to a standstill in WW1? Cut them off with u-boats. I wager the British people would get real tired of starving to death, especially if you started dropping leaflets all over London presenting the Geramn peace plan.

They also tried the "Let's do that U-boat thing that failed in WW1 again" idea.
Didn't fail though, worked wonders. Only 'failed' due to US getting involved… Noticing a pattern here…

Hitler even tried sending his best ship the Bismark
<best ship
Wasn't that a hulking monstrousity that ended up sucking more than it was awesome?

I love how you've abandoned any semblance of being something other than a subversive.

Grayson Sanchez
Grayson Sanchez

white men start killing kikes
thread shadow boxing a problem that isn't there
Get a real job.

Jack Rodriguez
Jack Rodriguez

NS, like Falangism and Legionarism, is the national (german) manifestation of Fascism.
Ya fucked up bud.

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Carson Jenkins
Carson Jenkins

Europa will rise again!
Not bad user, not bad.

Joshua Rodriguez
Joshua Rodriguez

noose
No thanks. I'm not into satanic civic nationalism.

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Justin Hill
Justin Hill

Checked for accurate prediction.

Carter Brown
Carter Brown

That sounds fucking beautiful and the answer to the worlds problems.

Levi Johnson
Levi Johnson

Pretty sure he's a mod

Jeremiah Gomez
Jeremiah Gomez

Also, doesn't sound like much of a suicide mission.
Sounds like things just went very badly.

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Liam Jackson
Liam Jackson

I'm certain that he is.
This thread wouldn't still be here otherwise.

Henry Hughes
Henry Hughes

atomwaffen was subverted by satanists therefore anything coming out of ironmarch is bad
NS is a branch of Fascism.

Jose Kelly
Jose Kelly

Its not though.

Christian Foster
Christian Foster

Why?

Bentley Sullivan
Bentley Sullivan

is the national (german) manifestation of Fascism.
Which objectively makes it superior.

Andrew Miller
Andrew Miller

Fine. So long as you don't believe that the indivdual should serve the state.
How do you distinguish National Socialism from Entho-Nationalism?

Connor Harris
Connor Harris

For that matter, since you're going to present that point, I have a question…

Can you name for me a fascist organization that was focused on race over the state or some other civic/ideological/cultural vector?
Every fascist organization I've investigated to date was focused on something other than the race - the state, the religion, etc.

Because a cat and a dog walking on four legs doesn't make them the same animal.

Joshua Perry
Joshua Perry

OP being called a kike in 3, 2, 1…

Samuel Wood
Samuel Wood

Is happening lads.

Levi Thompson
Levi Thompson

Perhaps you're a jew.
Sorry goy, you cannot live by the iron ways of nature and protect the existence of your race, it just cant happen, trust me on this.

Isaac Butler
Isaac Butler

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Thomas Flores
Thomas Flores

There's so many shills in this thread and on this board you could fill a whole Jewish dance hall with them.
How does it feel to know that you killed your messiah and are now forever cursed?

Gavin Nguyen
Gavin Nguyen

So long as you don't believe that the indivdual should serve the state.
The individual should serve the people, as should the state.
How do you distinguish National Socialism from Entho-Nationalism?
I view it as requiring minimal distinction.
National Socialism is a form of Ethno-Nationalism, albeit with additional concepts attached.

Luis Parker
Luis Parker

Kike.

Cameron Davis
Cameron Davis

Neo nazi groups are purposely pushed by the fbi, and these fake nationalists like amren or patrick casey are the controlled opposition offered as the alternative to a potentially fanatic racialist movement like ns.

The reason they do this is because genuine NS, not these neo nazi larpers is actually dangerous to jewish plutocrats and their feds. Paleocons in suits wont achieve anything except yell at liberal jews and their pets for decades and do nothing about white decline.

National Socialism controlled 15 million men at the height of its power with the most advanced and sophisticated military in the world. This partially has to do with germanic superiority to any anglosphere model biologically, but it was also mobilized in such a short time because of the fanatic and uplifting nature of National Socialism. There is no other ideology which can mobilize and unify Europeans like this one. You may choose to rebrand it by calling it "third positionism" or anything else. But you need the core ideology, otherwise your fanatic enemies will out fanaticize you. So we need an equally fanatic ideology except in our favor not for jews.

Anthony Scott
Anthony Scott

live by the iron ways of nature
Exactly this kind of larper

Jayden Parker
Jayden Parker

It was never about serving the state in a natsoc society it has always been about what you can do what us best for your volk.
You still have privatization and more, the things that were outlawed is what could harm the volk.
Read the 25 points.

Jace Gray
Jace Gray

This entire thread is a shill.
It was designed for the sole purpose of shilling.

We were getting a ton of these not long ago, always focused on some aspect of Hitler's actions, at one point we even had a (1) and done OP "Hitler Appreciation Thread" which IMMEDIATELY was overrun by shilling that went hundreds of posts deep.

These threads are substrate in which to attempt to plant seeds. Nothing more.

Jaxon Martin
Jaxon Martin

Too fast, Chaim. Im not the OP.

Anthony Jenkins
Anthony Jenkins

Can you name for me a fascist organization that was focused on race over the state or some other civic/ideological/cultural vector?
The italian african colonies had a racial caste system. I can quote various things about fascist racialism.

Because a cat and a dog walking on four legs doesn't make them the same animal.
What's the difference between what you call fascism and NS?

Justin Roberts
Justin Roberts

Fuck off ironmarch ingograph fag. Mussolini was a chump.

Juan Young
Juan Young

Tell me again that Germany was acting honourably by standing by her committments to the Japs. Then tell me that Britain was acting dishonorably by standing by her committments to Poland.
It's hilarious and you're proving OP right.

Sounds like a plan.
Thank god you're not in charge of anything. As a corporal, your emotional impulses would get you and your men killed. As a general, you'd be baited into every ambush on earth. And as a leader, you'd obliterate your own nation.

How did the Germans basically bring the British to a standstill in WW1?
They didn't.

I wager the British people would get real tired of starving to death, especially if you started dropping leaflets all over London presenting the Geramn peace plan.
Why didn't they then? Hitler tried that and it failed as usual.
Also,
if you started dropping leaflets all over London presenting the Geramn peace plan.
That's a better plan than what actually happened. Instead Hitler dropped bombs.
Nice idea though. It would have worked better than losing your airforce bombing civilians.

Wasn't that a hulking monstrousity that ended up sucking more than it was awesome?
That's one way of looking at it. Doubtless, you'd do the dumb thing and kill three thousand men by sending it out to chase bait.

Desperate screaming at me.
My position remains the exact same as

You're just acting like a screaming liberal. Lying, misrepresenting, and desperately shilling. Even though you admitted that you'd take obvious bait EVEN THOUGH you know it was bait in hind sight. Which is astounding.
Not only are you a fool, but you would do the exact same thing that failed again even with hindsight.
This kind of thinking is just pathetic.

Ayden Collins
Ayden Collins

Was wondering who would win the prize today

Colton Stewart
Colton Stewart

You still have privatization and more, the things that were outlawed is what could harm the volk.
This.

Its about the people, YOUR people.
Racial solidarity is important, because it keeps us from engaging in ethnically-derived infighting.
The European people are a racial clade composed of ethnic clades.
Each ethnic clade is different and has its own history and culture which ought be celebrated - and each ethnic clade is a part of the racial clade which binds us together against other hostile factions on this world.

Ryder Richardson
Ryder Richardson

I'm so glad you cleared that up. Case closed, lads.

Ayden King
Ayden King

I agree, it's good, as long as the guardians of truth (natsocs) are around, they will always get BTFO'd.

Brayden Nguyen
Brayden Nguyen

See
Is a good thing that their doing this even if their arguments may be disengious this is something I am more confident about this because arguments by the anons will be based on the truth while shills have to rely on lies and other which will be more and more difficult for them to defend.

Lincoln Wood
Lincoln Wood

The italian african colonies had a racial caste system. I can quote various things about fascist racialism.
Do so.

What's the difference between what you call fascism and NS?
See:
or the simplified version here

Chase Foster
Chase Foster

It was never about serving the state in a natsoc society
Let me ask you about your vision for tomorrow.
In your natsoc society is it permitted to found a sports club? Or does the state control all associations and clubs?
Are you permitted to independently publish a book?
Can you homeschool your children or send them to a private school?

Evan Mitchell
Evan Mitchell

He finally does some actual research
Good lad!

But to answer your question, no. Read further into that ship's story. She was essentially sent out unsupported against the most powerful navy in the world. And she failed utterly at even the kind of silly idea she was supposed to accomplish.
This happened right before operation Barbarossa so you get the idea that German planners were too focused with that operation to give much thought to this.
I'd hope that had they spent more time thinking about it, they wouldn't have wasted their best ship on such a suicidal mission.

Adrian Evans
Adrian Evans

Not being fat, ugly, and non-charismatic would help. Anyone can use the swastika as long as they are not completely subhuman. A brand can be ruined by association to the wrong kind of people and yet redeemed just as easily.

Sebastian Anderson
Sebastian Anderson

Tell me again that Germany was acting honourably by standing by her committments to the Japs.
It was.
Then tell me that Britain was acting dishonorably by standing by her committments to Poland.
And there it is.

Here's the difference:
The Germans allied with the japanese because they had similar ideologies and intents.
The British allied with the poles to use them as bait against the Germans at the behest of the jews.
Do you see, now, how one is honorable and one is not?
No, you probably don't.

They didn't.
They did. With U-boats.

Why didn't they then? Hitler tried that and it failed as usual.
Because it never got to that stage, and because of a Bear in the East.

That's a better plan than what actually happened. Instead Hitler dropped bombs.
I'd do one, then the other. Hitler likely intended the same, but never got that far.
Because of a Bear in the East.
And a Jew in the West.

That's one way of looking at it.
Thought so.

Desperate screaming at me.
What?
My position remains the exact same as
No it doesn't. That post was a cover. You're the cum dumpster that I talked about previously who goes to like 150+ posts in every thread, whose sole purpose on this board seems to be to constantly attack Germany and National Socialism, and you often try to cover yourself in the shroud of claim to support of the ideology so that you have a defense when its pointed out that you're actually just a subversive worm whose been spamming the board the last few months.
Lying, misrepresenting, and desperately shilling.
Yes, that's exactly what you've been doing, and your posts are always full of assmad kvetching about the person you're talking to, always disingenuous, always demanding evidence while presenting none.

Even though you admitted that you'd take obvious bait EVEN THOUGH you know it was bait in hind sight. Which is astounding.
Because at the time, taking the bait was the right thing to do.
And because quite frankly, there's no indication that it would stop there - if they went that far to bait you, why wouldn't they go further? Why would you sit back and watch your people abused, even knowing its an attempt to bait you into an action, when the outcome of NOT taking the bait is just…. More bait, and more aggressively presented.
Not only are you a fool, but you would do the exact same thing that failed again even with hindsight.
<your posts are always full of assmad kvetching about the person you're talking to
We've been over this before. I know, because I have never seen anybody but you try to argue that the British were 'honorable' in trying to turn Poland into German-bait.

Bentley Scott
Bentley Scott

Me so pretty now. I come to party? I allow swatikker?

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Luis Phillips
Luis Phillips

checked for europe and whites

and sage shit thread.

Asher Brooks
Asher Brooks

If you're like me and can do one arm push-ups, pistol squats, and one-arm pull ups and you're ripped as fuck and even got women oozing over you pretty much anywhere you go… and yet still lonely because you can't find a woman that will continue to hold an interest in you when you lay down the redpills. Well, then you know the feel really hard.

If you aren't fit as fuck though, get fit. For the race war, for god, for the ladies, for your health. GET FIT.

Matthew Evans
Matthew Evans

Good lad!
Done plenty of research before lad, you don't have to kvetch assmadly like that.
I merely wanted to verify that I was correct in remembering that your claim of it being a 'suicide mission' was faulty - and it was.

She was essentially sent out unsupported against the most powerful navy in the world.
And she kicked ass and was on her way home when she got blasted and lost the ability to steer.
And she failed utterly at even the kind of silly idea she was supposed to accomplish.
Except when she sunk the Hood and was enroute for repairs when getting jumped by a bunch of planes that happened to disable steering, probably as the result of her being a monstrous fucking hulk

I'd hope that had they spent more time thinking about it, they wouldn't have wasted their best ship on such a suicidal mission.
Here's another way I can tell its you: You always function under the assumption that whatever you claim to have been the truth, was. When someone asks you for evidence, you ignore. When someone else makes a claim, you IMMEDIATELY request evidence, and deny even if that evidence is provided.

Now, please provide evidence that the ship in question was on a suicide mission. Describe why you label it such. I'm interested to hear your reasoning.

Kevin Rivera
Kevin Rivera

Read the 25 points.
No it didn't control sport clubs or any of that sort and the books that were outlawed are obviously degenerate books like promoting transexuals during that time.
You also have to realize the natsoc only outlawed that can harm the people.
In a national socialist ideology their is a balance of both collectivism and individualism.

Jonathan Gomez
Jonathan Gomez

JDIF ETERNALLY BTFO.
/THREAD

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Dylan Powell
Dylan Powell

Remember the context as well. They were in a cold war with the plutocracies and communists, who had a lot of money and power. Precautions for subversion to be blocked had to be taken.

Colton Flores
Colton Flores

Do so.
Well, you have the quote I posted here There's also (iirc) Mussolini commissioning Evola to develop a racial doctrine that went further than racialism.
Mussolini declares: “I love Italians, people of one blood as me, of same habits, who speak my language, belong to the same history. Then, while hating parasites of all kinds in all countries, I love the workers… It is not at all necessary for one to accept the international chimera in order to improve life. One does not need to reject their Fatherland and nation, for it is first of all absurd, and then criminal, to reject one’s own mother…”
In his famous Udine speech from September 20th of 1922 he declares “Rome or Death!” He speaks of a “Nation’s struggle against an antinational government”
Mussolini’s speech had once again contained an ultimatum to the state, the final ultimatum: “If the government does not give in to the wishes of those, who represent the nation, the blackshirts will march on Rome.“
Please read the article I posted as it adresses such archive.is/5XiYS

Jaxon Nelson
Jaxon Nelson

I'm not THAT fit, but I am a chad more or less. I can't keep a girl because they are hyper leftists in Australia.
see

Charles Gonzalez
Charles Gonzalez

All these 1930s football clubs were tranny clubs were they?

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Ian Brooks
Ian Brooks

This entire thread is a shill.
You're the kike shill, lmao.

Ian Howard
Ian Howard

2017 time travelling sodomite OP, trump is a kike. Go back and get the mods to stop banning us, thanks.

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Owen Turner
Owen Turner

In your natsoc society is it permitted to found a sports club?
Depends on the context.
Or does the state control all associations and clubs?
Might.
Are you permitted to independently publish a book?
See above.
Can you homeschool your children or send them to a private school?
See above.

The primary concern of the state is to avoid that which is harmful to the people.
If you want to independently publish a book? What its about? Who are you? Etc.
You want to start an organization or club? What kind? Who are you? Etc.
You want ot homeschool your children, or send them to private school? What do you intend to teach them? What sort of private school do you want to send them to? Who are you? Etc.

Ayden Walker
Ayden Walker

shit thread
technically speaking and the autistic rebuttals to kikes does improve it. cheers, lads.

Connor Harris
Connor Harris

No, but you are.

Luke Rodriguez
Luke Rodriguez

Its not just a shit thread, its a shill thread.

It exists for shilling to transpire therein.
The mods know this, and they allow it.

Dozens of threads prune for 'spam' or 'low effort', but this one remains.
Tells you all you need to know about who is behind it.

Unfortunately, nobody reads the meta, and any attempt to discuss this outside the meta results in the mods attacking anyone suggesting this shit ought be dealt with.

Grayson Hall
Grayson Hall

Reasons as to why their banned?
This better not be on tiers like
hitler is a gay nigger
Shit from (((wiki))) since I mostly take those things with a grain of salt.

Noah Barnes
Noah Barnes

ctrl+f "Fascism, Race and Worldview" for the specific sections addressing state and race in the article.

Brandon Barnes
Brandon Barnes

Why were they banned?

Jacob Cox
Jacob Cox

Good discussion has come out of this thread regardless of the shilling. An user lurking will learn much and will also learn the ways of the shill and what to look for. His falsehoods have been btfo.

Jaxon Walker
Jaxon Walker

/pol is not a natsoc board. Go to /sudo and find out for yourself adolf.

Samuel Myers
Samuel Myers

This was due to security. The plutoracies were looking for any organization to infiltrate. Again take into consideration the extreme context of every single western jewish controlled state+ communists trying to undermine and infiltrate the govt to prevent Hitler from getting out of their control.

When they realize they could not control the National Socialists to be their puppets, they attacked under pretense and engaged in covert and economic warfare before the war.

Despite all of this the SS managed to keep several organizations secret, so much so that post war National Socialism exists and possibly, although it is hard to confirm, thrives extra territorially.

Brayden Collins
Brayden Collins

t. kike

Nathan Lee
Nathan Lee

That's not how you spell Zig Forums, kike.

Jace Turner
Jace Turner

Another quote
what Mussolini had said during the first Fascist congress in Milan: “We cannot remain deaf to the struggle for Fiume, we deeply feel the living nature of the ties that bind us not only with the Italians of Zara, Ragusa, Cattaro, but also with the Italians of Ticino, even with those Italians that do not wish to be Italian – with the Italians of Corsica, Italians living across the ocean, with that huge family that we wish to unite under the aegis of common racial pride.”

Cooper Nguyen
Cooper Nguyen

/pol
Outed your self by the first word god damn you kikes are losing your edge.
I find this hilarious.
i is not natsoc
As explained before, its bren argued and defended to the point anons will eventually become national socialists just because you say it isn't does not mean it is not necessarily not that thing dont back out now you fucking pussy are you going to continue with arguments or with half ass shilling?

Lincoln Sanchez
Lincoln Sanchez

Once again you demonstrate your inability to think beyond short term emotional reaction.
Firstly, you claimed that the Bismark was "a hulking monstrousity that ended up sucking more than it was awesome"
Now you claim "she kicked ass and was on her way home!"
But that wasn't even what she was supposed to accomplish. The plan, dumb as it was, was to send out a FUCKING HUGE ship (alone and unsupported) to start scuttling British cargo ships.
And instead, she got entangled with the Royal navy and sunk.

Yes, she destroyed one enemy ship. Cool I guess. But that's not going to win the war. Maybe she should have been used more effectively so that her kill ratio wouldn't just be 1-1.
You think it's some sort of victory that she sunk one ship and then was sunk. A real victory is thinking ten steps ahead or sinking ten ships and NOT being sunk.
This is the difference between you, an emotional thinker and a strategic thinker. You think like a woman. You are easily baited into almost anything.

When someone asks you for evidence, you ignore.
As I said, I'm not answering that lie again.
See

provide evidence that the ship in question was on a suicide mission.
???
Pay attention to the conversation, woman.
We're talking about sending a ship out into enemy territory without even enough fuel unsupported and without even a clearl plan other than "sink as much as you can"
I'd say use your head but you can;t think beyond the moment.

Ryan Rivera
Ryan Rivera

Well about Patrick Little, his main youtube account is down. I don't feel like making a thread, I'd like someone else to confirm too.

James Scott
James Scott

The problem is Americans, not National Socialism.

Gabriel Richardson
Gabriel Richardson

This is all so tiring. Today we have learnt that the Jews are VERY scared of National Socialism, indicated by the level of shilling in this thread and The Jew is scared of a united Europe under National Socialism.
/thread

Ayden Gray
Ayden Gray

T-T-The Germanz had to defend their ally!
b-but the British should NOT defend their ally!
Also, no. Your ignorance of the 2nd world war is astounding. Japan's goals were not aligned with Germany's. They wouldn't even declare war on the USSR. Japan just used Germany to buy time.
Poland, France, and Britain actually had FAR more similar goals than Japan & Germany. The goal was to contain German aggression.
You can scream and cry over the terminology if you like, but that's how they saw it.
No amount of emotional screeching will change that. And yeah, Germany fucking took that bait and demonstrated to the world that they were the aggressors.

Jeremiah Cruz
Jeremiah Cruz

Cowardly faggot bending over to the masses. Thinking you can win by dressing up waving some generic flag in street.

I’m sick of these know-it-alls who talk like some Hollywood Jew’s PR agent. You have nothing appealing to offer to anyone. The only thing you know how to advertise is limp-websites you are.

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Nolan Phillips
Nolan Phillips

You cited my post there bro.
Well, you have the quote I posted here
Was that post before or after Hitler got involved?
Treaty between Germany-Italy signed 1936
I've said it before and I'll say it again: The best part of italian fascism was what was fed to it by German National Socialism.
There's also (iirc) Mussolini commissioning Evola to develop a racial doctrine that went further than racialism.
Before or after German National Socialism got involved?
Mussolini declares: “I love Italians, people of one blood as me, of same habits, who speak my language, belong to the same history. Then, while hating parasites of all kinds in all countries, I love the workers… It is not at all necessary for one to accept the international chimera in order to improve life. One does not need to reject their Fatherland and nation, for it is first of all absurd, and then criminal, to reject one’s own mother…”
This was is interesting but kind of falls impotent due to what is coming…
In his famous Udine speech from September 20th of 1922 he declares “Rome or Death!” He speaks of a “Nation’s struggle against an antinational government”
Mussolini’s speech had once again contained an ultimatum to the state, the final ultimatum: “If the government does not give in to the wishes of those, who represent the nation, the blackshirts will march on Rome.“
Bereft of context. That comes off as pre-German Intervention civic nationalism that was common the italian fascists. You can find boomer cuckservatives making similar statements today in the US.

please read my article
You haven't given my any reasoning to do so at present, beyond to check your citations.

Please read my article:
Now juxtapose those quotes with these realities:
From 1914 through 1935, Mussolini’s mistress, confidant and political advisor was Margherita Sarfatti, a wealthy Italian Jewish intellectual. She undoubtedly influenced Fascist doctrine and policies during this period, and was probably responsible for the Duce’s initial hostility to National-Socialism and the Hitler movement.

A more public example of Fascist policy is the 1935 invasion and subsequent conquest of Ethiopia by the Italians. This action is absolutely unjustifiable from National-Socialist standpoint. Apart from all other criticisms, the end result of bringing tens of millions of Ethiopians into Mussolini’s neo-Roman empire would have been a disastrous racial contamination of the Italian bloodline. Even with the most stringent laws against miscegenation, Negro genes would have inevitably drifted into the Italian gene pool over time, and thence to all of Aryan Europe.

My sentiment would be thusly:
I am aware that the attitudes and policies towards Race and the Jews were markedly better during the second incarnation of Fascism, that of the Italian Social Republic of 1944-45.
Under pressure from the Germans, either direct or indirect, the Fascists made an attempt to bring themelves into line with the Hitlerian New Order. But it was too little, too late.

On the fringes of the Fascist movement, Baron Julius Evola (1898-1974) made an effort to provide Fascism with an ideological racial underpinning, but his effort fell way short of what was needed.
Evola’s theories are based on a “spiritual” racialism that is at odds with National-Socialist scientific, biological racialism.
At the instruction of Heinrich Himmler, Evola’s theories were investigated by the SS and formally rejected as non-NS.

And I would further support this commentary.
I know that there are some in the Movement who want to define Fascism more broadly, and include as “small-f” fascists, including all sorts of parallel movements from the 1930s and 1940s, such as the Falangists in Spain, the Arrow Cross movement in Hungary, the Legion of the Archangel Michael in Romania and Vidkun Quisling’s Nasjonal Sammling in Norway.
Despite some superficial similarities, each of these movements was ideologically distinct from the others — and miles apart from the Hitler movement.
Each country produced its own form of national regeneration, based on its own unique historical experience and immediate political needs. Whatever justification for existence these movements may have had in the pre-1945 world, in the post-War era they have none, for only an international, pan-Aryanist Hitler movement provides the way foward for our Race in the 21st century.

nationalvanguard.org/2015/06/dr-william-pierce-on-the-difference-between-national-socialism-and-fascism/

Samuel Wood
Samuel Wood

This

Jack Powell
Jack Powell

Btw, I'm still waiting the actual evidence of millions of dead Germans before 1939
Weird. You'd think that such massacres would be easier to demonstrate. Did the Poles do the whole "holocaust" thing and vanish the bodies like magic?

Adam Parker
Adam Parker

I just don't want the government deciding where I can go, what I can read, who I can associate with etc. etc.
I already live in an ethnostate. I want the government to protect the borders and police crime.
I still haven't got a convincing answer on how national socialism is different to ethno-nationalism, and how those differences add anything.

Michael Anderson
Michael Anderson

Good discussion has come out of this thread regardless of the shilling.
That's always the argument in favor of these shilling threads, and my response is that these are arguments we've had literally thousands of times before.
They don't need to be had as often as they are being had as the consequence of the moderation of this board having become incredibly hostile towards National Socialism following the November 2018 moderation purge which saw the board log moderator accounts hidden (to inhibit our ability to see which mods were doing what activity) and the moderation staff altered (exactly how it was altered is unclear, but in the immediate aftermath there were several instances - and no, I have no evidence presently at hand to prove this - of images posted directly from 4chan /int/ in a manner suggestive of being moderator derived).

An user lurking will learn much and will also learn the ways of the shill and what to look for. His falsehoods have been btfo.
Perhaps, but there is no benefit to having a constant state of attack on this board.
I understand that some believe this board to be a 'politically incorrect' board, and that is true enough - but there is nothing more politically incorrect in the modern era than National Socialism, and the chan Zig Forumss have long been associated with a degree of willful support of National Socialism, meaning opposition to poorly crafted and tiresomely repeated weak arguments there against; thus, this change in moderator approach has, effectively, ceded ground to the enemy, by granting them yet another place wherein they can attack National Socialism without any inhibition, and removing perhaps one of the few reamining platforms demonstrating a friendly stance towards that ideology.

Its a zero sum game out here - if you take a step back, the enemy takes a step forward, and the moderators on nu/pol/ have chosen to take a step back.

Charles Bell
Charles Bell

I disagree with National Socialism on several points, but I don't think it's an unsalvageable ideology so I respect your opinion, even though I disagree. However, I do think that forcing National Socialism and WW2 revisionism on everyone is absolutely counter-productive and plays directly into the hands of our enemies, so I made a thread here: What do you think? You don't seem to be a shill.

Ian Collins
Ian Collins

Hello fellow Whites. I believe National Socialism is the answer for all White people. We must for real life rallies with swastikas and informational signs about niggers and kikes

Parker Mitchell
Parker Mitchell

In a way you are correct.
Which is why people consider empathy a double sided sword, but germans were not the aggressors they seem that way because of the (((media))) i mean they manage to pass on the katyn massacre on to the germans despite it being the (((soviets)))
You still tend to forget jews have long term grudges.
Even if hitler waited out britain would eventually find an excuse or create a false flag, now you got the soviets france and britain all preparing to gang rape germany. I mean do you know where france are cowards came from?
It came from (((them))) for even collaborating nsdap germany this is how kikes wont let shit go and look at how many assassination attempts they made against hitler.

Parker Rogers
Parker Rogers

forced on to the people will be counter productive.
Oh I agree but national socialism does not need to be an ideology to be forced on to others because it simply doesn't need to, the ideology is a variation of the truth it doesn't need censorship or a controlled environment for it to be promoted while ideologies like communism foes.

Landon Phillips
Landon Phillips

Even if they manage to take over the board (they wont) we can easily have a migration/exodus to another Zig Forums board on this site in large numbers.

Anthony Clark
Anthony Clark

Just because of historical connotations, it isn't viable. No one wants to be associated with that, even racially aware white people. It's a dead end because a large portion of already racially aware white people will reject it and because the vast majority of white people will reject it.

No shit dummy. I'm sure this was a great revelation to you though. So much so that your intensive thinking ended there.

There is no political strategy in which a party labeled as a National Socialist party would gain traction among white people

He thinks we're going to sell it like a jew to people hahahaha…. fucking hell boy… you have a box of rocks in your head. They will come to us or they will die at the hands of savages. Just being White, makes them a target and enemy to the Soros funded lunatics. This country is becoming like a prison and if you want to stay alive in prison as a White person, guess who you join?

However, I think a parties focused on traditionalism and nationalism are viable, as you can see in Europe today. Nationalist parties and governments are forming in Europe, one example would be Orban's Hungary and Denmark in which the ruling Danish People's Party advocates for socialism and ethnic nationalism.

Oh you have, have you? Cool story. Guess what? ANYTHING White to the left IS National Socialism.

To gain the support of white people, we must appeal to the majority of white people or we will forever be on the fringes. We need well meaning white people to be our inspiration, not bad actors playing into their wild fantasies. We will only succeed if we first defeat the enemy within us.

How the fuck would you know you dumb motherfucker? You haven't done shit in your life. The majority of White people!!! are now a minority in most places. Half of Whites are filthy degenerate Commies now and drug addicted pieces of shit.

Sebastian Fisher
Sebastian Fisher

You haven't given my any reasoning to do so at present, beyond to check your citations.
It explains the reasoning and arguments in a collected manner. Just read the "Fascism, Race and Worldview" section of it. Also, you want me to read yours.

Bereft of context. That comes off as pre-German Intervention civic nationalism that was common the italian fascists
what Mussolini had said during the first Fascist congress in Milan: “We cannot remain deaf to the struggle for Fiume, we deeply feel the living nature of the ties that bind us not only with the Italians of Zara, Ragusa, Cattaro, but also with the Italians of Ticino, even with those Italians that do not wish to be Italian – with the Italians of Corsica, Italians living across the ocean, with that huge family that we wish to unite under the aegis of common racial pride.”

Was that post before or after Hitler got involved?
I have given quotes from before german involvement. Maybe you overestimate how much it affected italiab doctrine.

>A more public example of Fascist policy is the 1935 invasion and subsequent conquest of Ethiopia by the Italians. This action is absolutely unjustifiable from National-Socialist standpoint. Apart from all other criticisms, the end result of bringing tens of millions of Ethiopians into Mussolini’s neo-Roman empire would have been a disastrous racial contamination of the Italian bloodline. Even with the most stringent laws against miscegenation, Negro genes would have inevitably drifted into the Italian gene pool over time, and thence to all of Aryan Europe.
Racial ethiopians only had citizenship inside the ethiopian territory, a sort of "small citizenship", or vassality.

>Evola’s theories are based on a “spiritual” racialism that is at odds with National-Socialist scientific, biological racialism.
It is true that it went beyond biological races but it never discarded them or deemed them unimportant.

Despite some superficial similarities, each of these movements was ideologically distinct from the others — and miles apart from the Hitler movement.
Well I disagree.

only an international, pan-Aryanist Hitler movement provides the way foward for our Race in the 21st century.
I agree with this.

I disagree with such use of Aryan, as that was only an ethnonym used by the Indo-Europeans which conquered and inhabited the lands between Persia and the indian peninsula, and not the whole race. Still, it conveys much better what we mean than "white" or "european", so I see why it must be used.

William Foster
William Foster

JIDF is going out full force ITT, look how many of those "well thought and (((reasonable)))" posts have appeared in such a short time, absolutely organic. I am totally convinced by these well spoken gentlemen to abandon National Socialism and embrace their kosher contingency planning movements which were mostly funded by Israel.

We can expect some sort of Jewish caricature of "traditional European" to emerge as a candidate of some mainstream party just like Zognald was a Jewish caricature of "traditional American"

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Samuel Torres
Samuel Torres

People actually post and read in these obvious JIDF threads?

saged

Benjamin Myers
Benjamin Myers

In a way you're correct.
I agree with you that the jew holds a long grudge. Or rather, the jew just hates for the sake of hating. They're like a geological factor that you take into account in politics; The jew will always seek to destroy things.
But the idea that Britain and France were just mindless slaves to the jew at that time is simply untrue. Their political elites were playing their own game and at the time, they held parity with the jews.
For instance, if Britain and Stalin only sought to destroy Hitler, Stalin wouldn't have allied with him or supplied him grain and oil. Stalin was playing his own game and it conflicted with the British elites.
France too was playing their own game.
And btw, the British had their own goals as well and I'm talking about the actual British political class. If the jews had had their way, France, the UK, and the USSR would have invaded Germany in 1935 when Hitler occupied the Rhineland. Hitler was as weak as a kitten then. But they didn't because that was not threatening the interests of the men who still held onto the levers of power at the time. Also, even if they had wanted to, it's tough to justify a war against someone doing something completely normal even if it is in violation of a dumb treaty.
And most Brits didn't see anything wrong with Germany taking back German land.
But the British did oppose Germany usurping their own power. Hitler should have foreseen that.

As for
Even if hitler waited out britain would eventually find an excuse or create a false flag
Sure. Maybe. But by then Germany wouldn't have been so weak. Wait until you're strong before you start declaring big wars.

Jaxon Moore
Jaxon Moore

Once again you demonstrate your inability to think beyond short term emotional reaction.
There's that toothless assmad kvetching I've come to know and hate from you.

Firstly, you claimed that the Bismark was "a hulking monstrousity that ended up sucking more than it was awesome"
I asked if that was the case. You appeared to verify that suggestion.
Now you claim "she kicked ass and was on her way home!"
She kicked ass and on her way home got kicked in the dick in a way that harmed her due to her monstrous size, yes.

The plan, dumb as it was, was to send out a FUCKING HUGE ship (alone and unsupported)
If it was alone and unsupported, why was it supported by the heavy cruiser Prinz Eugen?
Are you lying again?
to start scuttling British cargo ships.
Sounds like a good plan, excusing your manipulative presentation of course.
And instead, she got entangled with the Royal navy
And sank a major vessel.
and sunk.
Enroute following that battle.

Yes, she destroyed one enemy ship. Cool I guess. But that's not going to win the war. Maybe she should have been used more effectively so that her kill ratio wouldn't just be 1-1.
You haven't suggested any manner in which that would be achieved, nor have you demonstrated that such WOULD be achieved if undertaken.

As I said, I'm not answering that lie again.
You still haven't provided any evidence to that effect.

provide evidence that the ship in question was on a suicide mission.
<???
You still haven't done so.

Pay attention to the conversation, woman.
There's that assmad kvetching again.

We're talking about sending a ship out into enemy territory without even enough fuel unsupported and without even a clear plan other than "sink as much as you can"
Sounds like a pretty clear plan.
<The two ships were escorted by three destroyers—Z10 Hans Lody, Z16 Friedrich Eckoldt, and Z23—and a flotilla of minesweepers.[34] The Luftwaffe provided air cover during the voyage out of German waters.
<When Bismarck was in Norway, a pair of Bf 109 fighters circled overhead to protect her from British air attacks
<Bismarck did not replenish her fuel stores in Norway, as her operational orders did not require her to do so. She had left port 200 t (200 long tons) short of a full load (Full load: 7,900 metric tons), and had since expended another 1,000 t (980 long tons) on the voyage from Gotenhafen.
<Prinz Eugen took on 764 t (752 long tons) of fuel.
<At 19:30 on 21 May, Bismarck, Prinz Eugen, and the three escorting destroyers left Bergen.
<The three escorting destroyers were detached at 04:14 on 22 May, while the force steamed off Trondheim.
Later…
<Although Bismarck had been damaged in the engagement and forced to reduce speed, she was still capable of reaching 27 to 28 knots (50 to 52 km/h; 31 to 32 mph), the maximum speed of Tovey's King George V. Unless Bismarck could be slowed, the British would be unable to prevent her from reaching Saint-Nazaire.
<The Royal Navy search became frantic, as many of the British ships were low on fuel.
<At 10:30 on 26 May, a Catalina piloted by Ensign Leonard B. Smith of the US Navy located her, some 690 nmi (1,280 km; 790 mi) northwest of Brest.[e] At her current speed, she would have been close enough to reach the protection of U-boats and the Luftwaffe in less than a day. Most British forces were not close enough to stop her.
<The second torpedo struck Bismarck in her stern on the port side, near the port rudder shaft. The coupling on the port rudder assembly was badly damaged and the rudder became locked in a 12° turn to port. The explosion also caused much shock damage.[106] The crew eventually managed to repair the starboard rudder but the port rudder remained jammed.
So, basically, the mission was viable, and the ship almost carried it out successfully, but damage - which was really a matter of chance - halted its ability to escape. Sounds like you're once again trying to present something that came about as the consequence of chance as demonstrable of an inevitability born of poor planning or judgement.

John Thomas
John Thomas

Not gonna abandon national socialism faggot arguments work against (((them))) since truth is their poison.

Mason Walker
Mason Walker

Btw, I'm still waiting the actual evidence of millions of dead Germans before 1939
Who said anything about millions?
I'll provide you evidence for my claim when you provide me evidence for the like 20 fucking claims I've asked you for evidence for that you ignored.
See:
your posts are always full of assmad kvetching about the person you're talking to, always disingenuous, always demanding evidence while presenting none.
Weird. You'd think that such massacres would be easier to demonstrate. Did the Poles do the whole "holocaust" thing and vanish the bodies like magic?
No, but the victors write the history, and they rarely want to be portrayed as the bad guys, now do they?
Why don't you make a thread about it? Give you some more substrate.

Kevin Lewis
Kevin Lewis

Sup faggot.

Angel Brown
Angel Brown

Even if they manage to take over the board (they wont) we can easily have a migration/exodus to another Zig Forums board on this site in large numbers.
They can't 'take over' anything, its all IP jumps and lame shitposting.

The problem is that the mods, even if they WERE to do something about it, can't do much aside from delete the offending material.
I could sit here with a VPN and post 2 posts, change IP, 2 posts, change IP, and do that ALL FUCKING DAY.
But you can't take over a board that way, you can just shitpost a bunch and annoy others.

Zachary Fisher
Zachary Fisher

Racial ethiopians only had citizenship inside the ethiopian territory, a sort of "small citizenship", or vassality.
The african colonies are touched upon with much more depth in the article.

Kayden Powell
Kayden Powell

Also, you want me to read yours.
Yes, because it shows how ridiculous yours is.

Bereft of context. That comes off as pre-German Intervention civic nationalism that was common the italian fascists
This is true.

what Mussolini had said during the first Fascist congress in Milan
So, here he speaks of racial pride, yet elsewhere he speaks of civic nationalism.
Which is it? Can millions of Ethiopians share that pride?

I have given quotes from before german involvement.
Most of them were invalidated, either by lack of substance or presence of a jewish mistress.

A more public example of Fascist policy is the 1935 invasion and subsequent conquest of Ethiopia by the Italians. This action is absolutely unjustifiable from National-Socialist standpoint.
<Racial ethiopians only had citizenship inside the ethiopian territory, a sort of "small citizenship", or vassality.
Apart from all other criticisms, the end result of bringing tens of millions of Ethiopians into Mussolini’s neo-Roman empire would have been a disastrous racial contamination of the Italian bloodline. Even with the most stringent laws against miscegenation, Negro genes would have inevitably drifted into the Italian gene pool over time, and thence to all of Aryan Europe.

It is true that it went beyond biological races but it never discarded them or deemed them unimportant.
Which was more important?

Despite some superficial similarities, each of these movements was ideologically distinct from the others — and miles apart from the Hitler movement.
<Well I disagree.
Well, I disagree.

only an international, pan-Aryanist Hitler movement provides the way foward for our Race in the 21st century.
<I agree with this.
So do I.

Elijah Long
Elijah Long

I am totally convinced by these well spoken gentlemen to abandon National Socialism and embrace their kosher contingency planning movements which were mostly funded by Israel.
Its laughable, but they're going to keep trying - and they're being supported by the moderation, almost-certainly ARE the moderation.

Jason Jones
Jason Jones

why was it supported by the heavy cruiser Prinz Eugen?
Jesus. Why can't you even do the bare minimum of research on any topic?
The Prinz Eugen was detached from the Bismark after assisting in the Hood engagement.

Sounds like a good plan
Maybe to you it does. So many men lost for no purpose.
BUT IT DESTROYED A BIG SHIP GO BOOM!

Basically the Bismark plan was doing the same thing had had been failing with U-boats except with a huge expensive battleship.
Wow. Brilliant.

like 20 fucking claims I've asked you for evidence for that you ignored.
I keep giving examples of dumb plans and you keep insisting that they're brilliant.

I have absolutely no evidence of German massacres before 1939
Yeah. I know. Because it didn't happen
It was real in my mind.

Alexander Sullivan
Alexander Sullivan

But by then Germany wouldn't have been so weak. Wait until you're strong before you start declaring big wars.
You still haven't demonstrated any evidence that Germany was weak at the time you claim, nor that it would have gotten stronger as you portray.

Again, you can't apply changes to the timeline and then assume the same events to transpire. Its disingenuous and inaccurate.

Kayden Gomez
Kayden Gomez

The Prinz Eugen was detached from the Bismark after assisting in the Hood engagement.
Was well aware, what's your point?
You said it was unsupported… But it clearly had support… So are you lying again?

Maybe to you it does. So many men lost for no purpose.
The purpose was clear and viable, the men were lost due to chance.

BUT IT DESTROYED A BIG SHIP GO BOOM!
Yeah, it did.
Basically the Bismark plan was doing the same thing had had been failing with U-boats except with a huge expensive battleship.
Do you have any evidence that it was failing?
See what I mean, about how you make claims without evidence, then demand evidence from others?

I keep giving examples of dumb plans and you keep insisting that they're brilliant.
No, you keep giving examples of things, calling them dumb, and then failing to demonstrate HOW they were dumb.
And then, when called on it, when asked to provide evidence of this, you shy away.
Hmm.

I have absolutely no evidence of German massacres before 1939
Make a thread about my man. If you're so confident….. OOOOOOH WAIT! You already did!
I forgot! Remember that thread?
Remember how you went to like 200+ posts, getting BTFO continually?
Zig Forumspridge farm remembers, loser. Kek.

Lucas Howard
Lucas Howard

he speaks of civic nationalism.
He doesn't. At most it is removed of context and appears so.

Can millions of Ethiopians share that pride?
They never treated ethiopians as their equals.

Most of them were invalidated, either by lack of substance
You'll simply dismiss anything that doesn't fit your idea then. Well let me do so as well then, everything you've been saying relies on vacuous arguments and out of context citations.

>Apart from all other criticisms, the end result of bringing tens of millions of Ethiopians into Mussolini’s neo-Roman empire would have been a disastrous racial contamination of the Italian bloodline. Even with the most stringent laws against miscegenation, Negro genes would have inevitably drifted into the Italian gene pool over time, and thence to all of Aryan Europe.
The african conquests are delved with much more detail in the article.

Yes, because it shows how ridiculous yours is.
It doesn't. In fact, it dismantles what little yours had going.

Which was more important?
Read Evola.

Jonathan Davis
Jonathan Davis

Some of the tacrics I seen as of recently had been tried before, after this their going to go back to their lame half ass shitposting.

Jordan Wood
Jordan Wood

That's not support. That's just fucking pathetic.
They were up against the fucking royal navy.
But of course, you'd think that sending just one battleship and a cruiser is a good idea.

the men were lost due to chance.
Stupidity is what lost them.

BIG SHIP GO BOOM!
Mission accomplished.

Do you have any evidence that it was failing?
Look at the stats. See vid (go to 19:47)
Germany almost never actually reached their bare minimum quota needed to starve britain out.
And btw, that quota is complete conjecture. I highly doubt that even if they had reached their quotas EVERY MONTH, it wouldn't have starved Britain out of the war.
But again, that's still a pipe dream. The ocean is huge and the convoy system really fucked the German navy.
You keep screaming about context (without actually understanding the word). So here's some more context; The Bismark was sent out in a last desperate attempt to help the subs meet their quotas. That's why it happened.
And it failed just like the subs.

Nolan Morris
Nolan Morris

Another thread that is bluepilled on the JQ

Caleb Peterson
Caleb Peterson

You still haven't demonstrated any evidence that Germany was weak
See We've gone over this.
Also, look up the pathetic state of the German tank situation in 1939.

It's fucking embarrassing that you don't know anything about the one subject that you're defending. Learn about ww2.

Noah Nguyen
Noah Nguyen

/thread
What a garbage slide thread. Get the fuck off of your yoga ball and crawl back to leftypol.

Brody Parker
Brody Parker

Weird how threads like this pop up after media attention

Oliver Peterson
Oliver Peterson

He doesn't. At most it is removed of context and appears so.
Could be, but you haven't demonstrated such at this time.

They never treated ethiopians as their equals.
That's the not the point. Its a matter of the ol' slippery slope.
I repeat:
Apart from all other criticisms, the end result of bringing tens of millions of Ethiopians into Mussolini’s neo-Roman empire would have been a disastrous racial contamination of the Italian bloodline. Even with the most stringent laws against miscegenation, Negro genes would have inevitably drifted into the Italian gene pool over time, and thence to all of Aryan Europe.
You can't keep ignoring that.

ou'll simply dismiss anything that
No, I won't. I pointed out exactly what the issues were with the quotes you cited. Pretending otherwise is disingenuous.

The african conquests are delved with much more detail in the article.
Repeating the Roman Empire will only get you the same end as the Roman Empire.

It doesn't. In fact, it dismantles what little yours had going.
It does, in fact, and you've utterly failed to defend it in any meaningful sense, while mine rips the teeth right out of yours.

Which was more important?
<Read Evola.
Why don't you just answer the question?

Luis Murphy
Luis Murphy

Some of the tacrics I seen as of recently had been tried before, after this their going to go back to their lame half ass shitposting.
Its what they always do.
Look at this loser
for example.

Notice how he started out trying to ingratiate himself, but then very very quickly abandoned any semblance of such behaviors to go full bore.
They can't help themselves. Its what they've come to do, and if you keep poking the facade, it falls rapidly.

That's not support.
Its literally though.

They were up against the fucking royal navy.
And?

But of course, you'd think that sending just one battleship and a cruiser is a good idea.
Yeah, for a mission that was attempting to be somewhat secretive, that does seem to make sense.
You've not shown any evidence to the contrary.

Stupidity is what lost them.
<So, basically, the mission was viable, and the ship almost carried it out successfully, but damage - which was really a matter of chance - halted its ability to escape. Sounds like you're once again trying to present something that came about as the consequence of chance as demonstrable of an inevitability born of poor planning or judgement.
You're like talking to a kosher wall.

BIG SHIP GO BOOM!
<Mission accomplished.
Part of it, yes.

Do you have any evidence that it was failing?
<Look at the stats.
<your posts are always full of assmad kvetching about the person you're talking to, always disingenuous, always demanding evidence while presenting none.
See vid (go to 19:47)
Okay, I did. Where is the evidence of what you're trying to argue, namely that the
Basically the Bismark plan was doing the same thing had had been failing with U-boats except with a huge expensive battleship.
Specifically
had been failing with U-boats
Once again, I ask you for evidence, and you provide me nothing but assmad kvetching and shying away from the topic at hand.

Germany almost never actually reached their bare minimum quota needed to starve britain out.
Statement bereft of evidence, yet again. The pattern continues.

You keep screaming about context
Earlier I complained to you about context, yes, because you were engaging in blatant context denial.
You still are, to varying degrees, but now you're gotten lost in the autistic shitposting about whether or not the Bismarck's mission was viable or not; you claiming its not, while providing no evidence to the effect that it was not.
The Bismark was sent out in a last desperate attempt to help the subs meet their quotas.
Citation needed.

Kayden Ross
Kayden Ross

We've gone over this.
Yes, we have, and you've still not provided any evidence of it. Now you're referencing back to a post, which contains no evidence of it.

It's fucking embarrassing that you don't know anything about the one subject that you're defending. Learn about ww2.
There's that toothless assmad kvetching again.

Nathan Moore
Nathan Moore

Remember to thank the mods and CM.

This thread has been reported, the mods have made no movies, while deleting other threads as 'spam' and 'low effort' and banning those responsible.
Yet this thread remains.
Hmm.

Reminder: OP posted in this thread 3 times. Out of 327 posts.

Here are his posts:

Seems legit.

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Elijah Williams
Elijah Williams

Oh while I'm on the subject….

Hey modniggers.

Since you're okay with pointing out that certain IPs are engaging in (1) and dones and shitposting, how about taking a look at this thread, eh?
Somehow, call me crazy, I have a feeling you'll find lots of posts that fall into the category of "only post by IP is low quality".

Mason Walker
Mason Walker

92 posts in this thread

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Dominic Robinson
Dominic Robinson

Welcome to h8/pol/ this tends to alright 200 posts by this id is when it gets ridicolous.

David Foster
David Foster

Could be, but you haven't demonstrated such at this time.
I have.

Apart from all other criticisms, the end result of bringing tens of millions of Ethiopians
They would stay were they were. This is more of a question on colonialism.

No, I won't. I pointed out exactly what the issues were with the quotes you cited.
<no substance
That's what you said. Also you said
presence of a jewish mistress.
What? Is their racialist policy thence influenced by a random jewess? These claims hold no water. I've already shown you quotes (both before and after german alliance) where it is clearly shows their belief on a Nation, and the racial basis of that nation.

It does, in fact, and you've utterly failed to defend it in any meaningful sense, while mine rips the teeth right out of yours.
No it doesn't. In fact, my article is right and you are diminished to argue from disingenuity and pilpul.

Why don't you just answer the question?
From what I've read, the three are of utmost importance. It is something to the style of "being white is not enough, you also mustn't be a degenerate", with bashing homo economicus, spiritual bourgeoisie and hedonist types. I haven't read enough on the topic so that's why you should read Evola, as he composed the doctrine. In short, it doesn't dismiss biological race, but places great importance on it.

Gavin Nguyen
Gavin Nguyen

Also, whatever your opinion on colonialism, that they implemented a racial caste system proves that fascist held a racial worldview and a racial idea of the nation.

Cameron Barnes
Cameron Barnes

No you haven't. That's what I'VE been saying, you nigger, and you've been arguing against it the entire time.
No I fucking haven't, that was *my* point
Seems improbable.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_economic_reform
Yet you've failed to prove that in any conceivable manner.
Yes I have via the example of China, China is a backwards fucking country that is inconsistent and unable to do anything without fucking it up. It's the reason why the US could never fucking be beaten by them despite the authoritarian model. Xi Jingping has the ability to do what he wants internationally yet he can't stop his own citizens from eating sewage.
Depends on how you define 'tyrannical'.
using, showing, or relating to the unfair and cruel use of power over other people in a country, group, etc.:
dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/tyrannical
We did. Its called National Socialism.
That's not a new system and I like Nazism, the issues are its authoritarian model.
But that's what National Socialism is.
No, National Socialism is about maintain the traditions of ones' people. That's classic nationalism.
No, it isn't. Because even bereft of parties, factions - those involved in 'factional infighting' - still exist.
Yes, because politics is a main driver of factional infighting. Factional infighting can only come if people have unlimited power and can organize efficiently.
Sounds pretty tyrannical from here bro, and extremely utopian.
It's tyrannical because it's not a cruelty, it's preventing people from undermining the republic through malicious actions and subversion.
You don't even seem to understand why these factions form, despite my having explained it to you point blank.
These factions form because people with a magnitude of reasons. Sometimes it's based on power, others indifference with a regime, others simply thinking they're better, etc.
That is still not an answer to the question, and it won't be, no matter how many times you say it.
Because we're not Jews, give an explanation for why it doesn't work.
Bro, EVERYONE does what you're claiming is merely jewish. That's the point.
Which makes this next bit even more retarded…
Nope, not everyone wants to subvert and undermine its neighbors because not everyone is a Jew.
If life is struggle, then how can you sit there and claim that its 'jewish' to be oppositional and attempt to undermine your regional competition of another racial clade? You can't. Its retarded utopianism, expressing the sentiment ala
It's Jewish to undermine and subvert other nations to get a head start. That's anti-nationalism. If you went to war, it makes sense. Because there's a direct and clear hostile intention of the other.
But Chinese intervention is enacting its will and people onto the host nation. They're just more public about it than Jews. How is it not the same?
That I disdain your viewpoints as the product of conversing with you, yes.
Because you cannot actually disprove them, your argumentative method is basically: "You think x is y? pffft" or "but everyone does it." That's not an argument.
So does everyone else. Its the MANNER in which the jews do so that is the issue, not the conflict itself.
No, what the Jews do is no different from what other nations want to do, like China. China's methodology is basically trapping nations into debt and forcing them to hand over land for military bases and economic control over the nation's resources so they can import Chinese works to rule over the peasantry. How is that NOT the same?
Yes, they do.
Nationalists are concerned about the well-being of their own nation. That's why it's nationalism. What you're talking about is literally internationalism, where all issues external from the people/nation itself are the main focus or part of it.
We aren't talking about subversion of countries necessarily, we are talking about undermining of countries.
(1/2)

Jaxon Nelson
Jaxon Nelson

And you continue to avoid acknowledging that, if life is a struggle, then undermining your regional extra-racial competition is anything but merely 'jewish'.
Yes we are, that's what undermining means. Subversion and undermining do not at the expense of the people living there. Not even Hitler thought it was honorable.
Utopian in the utmost. The world is interconnected, by requisite, invalidating this lolberg-tier stance.
The lion is king of his domain, he has the power and strength to rip apart the prey that dare challenge him. Including Hyenas, that doesn't mean we don't take a stand when threaten but a good majority of the issues the US faces has been due to interventionist policies since Woodrow Wilson.
I have no idea what the fuck you're trying to say here.
That Jews are parasitic, animalistic peoples that try to control every facet of life as oppose to living among each other not as equals but in respect to our differences. Jews don't see that. They see a people underneath them and that it is their domain to rule over.
Puts every nation on Earth into competition with one another. To expect they would not seek to undermine one another, especially bereft of shared ideological or racial ties, is laughably naive and utopian.
I didn't say I don't expect it, I'm saying it's not right. We are at competition but that doesn't make the competition just. It's merely a harsh reality of the human race.
You really DON'T know what it means to 'disprove' something at all, do you?
<to prove that an idea, statement, etc. is not true
Me merely arguing back and forth with you is enough.
I await your reply.

Samuel Stewart
Samuel Stewart

Bereft of context. That comes off as pre-German Intervention civic nationalism that was common the italian fascists. You can find boomer cuckservatives making similar statements today in the US.
This is straight up dismissal of the quote. It proves that they believed in a nation different from the state.

For this, see the whole Fiume ordeal, in which they claimed the city was theirs because of blood relations with the inhabitants, which proves a racial conception of the nation.

Blake Moore
Blake Moore

Also you keep avoiding reading the article which clearly explains what I've been saying. Read the "Fascism, Race and Worldview" subsection, if you are too lazy to read it whole.

Kevin Scott
Kevin Scott

The Aryan race had created multiple ideologies and concepts throughout the years. They all have their faults and strengths. To say that one is the purest of all is foolish as society changes ever so rapidly.
National Socialism should have survived WWII, but I doubt it could till today. Not because of the lack of racial cooperation between whites, whites are exceptional at it. It just all things come to an end when the paradigm shifts to a new way of human life. It is inevitable.

Asher Scott
Asher Scott

Explain to me more on what your gif means. I am very interested.

Jonathan Taylor
Jonathan Taylor

Every poster in this thread is a kike.

Ryan Powell
Ryan Powell

Hey Zach

Ryder Allen
Ryder Allen

"The reason why Hitler lost the war when he did was because Germany was not ready for war. Study the German military in 1939 and you will likely come to the same conclusion.
The reason why Stalin was able to replace his destroyed armies while Hitler was unable to do so was because Germany had been forbidden the ability to have a large military reserve in 1919. Hitler only reinstituted that in 1935. That's not anywhere near enough time to build up a proper reserve.
He actually could have won if he had waited."
~

Learn to read, nigger

LOOKATDIS!!!!! PLEASE SOMEONE VALIDATE M!!!!!
My position remains the same as the position I openly and honestly presented in Anyone who reads my ID and yours will see how I maintain my position despite your increasingly desperate attacks.
And I back up my positions with actual historical evidence.
The "Hitler dindu nuffin" myth is insane. If Hitler dindu nuffin wrong, then he wouldn;t have been obliterated in a war he began.

You've been screaming and misrepresenting, and even outright lying but my position remains and I invite anyone to try argue otherwise with logic in place of your emotional screaming.

Joshua Moore
Joshua Moore

Also, I'm stiiiiiiiiiiill waiting for that evidence of the holocaust.
Anytime would be cool. Unlike you, I'm actually open to new information and am genuinely curious about history.
Mature adults are very interested in history.

Nathan Flores
Nathan Flores

How are you, Ibrahim?

Jose Russell
Jose Russell

I love Nazi Germany. I wish they had won. I think there is no problem being full on Nazi when we are amongst ourselves.

But as far as political influence, it is not viable to be flying swastikas if you want to get people on your side, because of the historical connotations, yes. But I don't think we can vote our way out of this, at least in America. Europe is still pretty white, they have a much better chance of electing politicians that are hard line on immigration and that will deport rapefugees. But America in reality is probably already about 45% white, you'd be stupid to believe the government's statistics. They will keep it above 50% until we are well under that, so that nobody notices until it's "too late". That, coupled with the disgusting level of jewish tyranny, is what makes an orthodox political solution untenable.

But if/when a race war comes about, I believe whites will unite under the glorious Swastika. Either that, or they will step aside and make way for us to secure the existence of our people.

Thanks for reading my blogpost.

Chase Peterson
Chase Peterson

Pretty good, Zach.

Jordan Williams
Jordan Williams

It means that individualists lose when set in competition with collectivists over time.

Yep, called it.

What you mean to say is, our operation tends to fail miserably but we just keep trying.

I have.
You haven't.

They would stay were they were.
Just like in Rome, right?

No, I won't. I pointed out exactly what the issues were with the quotes you cited.
<no substance
Amongst other instances.
<That's what you said.
Yeah, that's ALL that I said. Totally not disingenuous of you.

Also you said
presence of a jewish mistress.
What?
Margherita Sarfatti
Is their racialist policy thence influenced by a random jewess?
Their leader was, and when you make claims about being a racialist while having a jewish mistress…. Kinda falls falt my man.

I've already shown you quotes (both before and after german alliance) where it is clearly shows
No, it doesn't.

No it doesn't.
Yes, it does.
In fact, my article is right and you are diminished to argue from disingenuity and pilpul.
If I'm talking to a human projector, I guess its fair to be a human mirror.

From what I've read, the three are of utmost importance.
It is something to the style of "being white is not enough, you also mustn't be a degenerate"
Yeah, nah.
In short, it doesn't dismiss biological race, but places great importance on it.
But user, that's not what I asked you.
I never suggested Evola placed NO importance on biologic race, did I?
I suggested it was an issue - as with all 'fascists' - of PRIORITY.
This is why I don't like fascism, as, from what i've seen, in what instances biologic race IS mentioned, its always secondary to some sort of civic or cultural or religious function deemed of GREATER import. And I dismiss that outright.

I haven't read enough on the topic so that's why you should read Evola
From what I've read of him, he's just another civic nationalist in a fancy uniform-style faux-nationalist, and I'm not inclined to devoting large amounts of my time to reading such.
If you disagree, that's fine. But I am not going to become a fascist, nor am I going to promote fascism, nor am I going to buy into the faulty notion that fascism and National Socialism are equivalent.
Between Goebbels and Pierce both stating outright that fascism and National Socialism were not only not equivalents, I am confident in my position being appropriate.

Now that you mention it, what limited contact I've had with this "Zach" person on /tv/ is extremely reminiscent of what I've been seeing as of late on this board.

Justin Cox
Justin Cox

Also, whatever your opinion on colonialism, that they implemented a racial caste system proves that fascist held a racial worldview and a racial idea of the nation.
However, as demonstrated by their stance on colonialism from what I've seen, caste system and all, they did not prioritize it as would be appropriate, IMHO.

Ethan Gray
Ethan Gray

I'm glad you've seen the way to Hapa cuckoldry.

Jacob Jenkins
Jacob Jenkins

Did you just put "european" in echoes, you massive fucking retard?

OP has a point. Optics are important. Patrick Little, regardless of his views, is cringey as fuck and doesn't have a shot in hell because of how horribly unmarketable he is. Like it or not, spreading your political views is a question of marketability. If it doesn't look good, no one is gonna buy it. We think NS is sexy because we can see it for what it truly was. Normal people can only see it through a jewish lens, as a blemish on the annals of history. The effort it would take to change that would be monumental - better to start fresh with something normies can (and want to) swallow.

OP is still a faggot for posting Richard Spencer as a role model, so sage for that.

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Lincoln Barnes
Lincoln Barnes

No I fucking haven't, that was *my* point
Nah.

Seems improbable.
<en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_economic_reform
Wow, great argument bro.

Yes I have via the example of China
You haven't though.
China is a backwards fucking country that is inconsistent and unable to do anything without fucking it up.
That's not an argument and the rest of this entry was just toothless warbling.
The point that we've been discussing is not addressed in any meaningful sense via your commentary here.

using, showing, or relating to
<a fucking dictionary definition
Good lord you are pedantic as fuck.

That's not a new system
It was when it was created, and meets the criterion you set forth.

the issues are its authoritarian model.
Wow, someone who doesn't like authoritarianism… Oh, but you say you like "Nazism". Seems legit bro.

No, National Socialism is about maintain the traditions of ones' people.
No, National Socialism is about maintain the traditions AND BIOLOGIC NATURE of one's people.

Yes, because politics is a main driver of factional infighting.
No, difference in perspective is a main driver thereof, as well as being a main driver of politics.
Factional infighting can only come if people have unlimited power and can organize efficiently.
That's retarded.

it's preventing people from undermining the republic through malicious actions and subversion.
Still sounds pretty tyrannical from here bud.

These factions form because people with a magnitude of reasons. Sometimes it's based on power, others indifference with a regime, others simply thinking they're better, etc.
In all cases, the core point is that they have differences in perspective. And every ideological regime espouses this. Thus, there is only a spectrum of this transpiring, and in an authoritarian model, the capacity for this to expand is generally limited in scope.

Because we're not Jews, give an explanation for why it doesn't work.
That is still not an answer to the question, and it won't be, no matter how many times you say it, and I've already explained this to you in-depth. Like a jew, you ignore it and repeat yourself as though nothing has been said.

Nope, not everyone wants to subvert and undermine its neighbors
That's explicitly false, specifically and especially wherein it comes to regional competitors of a different race.
To deny this is to lie outright.

It's Jewish to undermine and subvert other nations to get a head start.
Its not Jewish because everyone does it and has done it since before the Jews existed.
That's anti-nationalism.
No, its recognition that within a nationalistic bent, there are going to be conflicts amongst competitors.
If you went to war, it makes sense. Because there's a direct and clear hostile intention of the other.
And throughout history people who were not jews, and who didn't seek to engage in open warfare with their regional competitors, have done what you claim is explicitly and intrinsically jewish.

But Chinese intervention is enacting its will and people onto the host nation. They're just more public about it than Jews. How is it not the same?
I never said the Chinese were not like the jews in many ways, I said that everyone does what you are attempting to ascribe to the jews alone.

Because you cannot actually disprove them
No, rather, because you don't conceptually grasp what the meaning of words like 'prove' is, but behave as though you do, and thats frustrating.

No, what the Jews do is no different from what other nations want to do
Yes, it is.
like China.
China behaves very much like the jews in some regards, so thats a poor comparison; but most nations on earth now and throughout history have engaged in attempts to undermine their regional competition - especially of different racial clades - without resorting to open military force.
That's just a fact. The manner in which the Jews do so is intrinsically and specifically jewish - and the Chinese have, in some cases, undertaken similar methodologies, though usually less subversive in character than the jews themselves.

Nationalists are concerned about the well-being of their
People.
That's why it's nationalism.
Exactly.

We aren't talking about subversion of countries necessarily, we are talking about undermining of countries.
Perfect, then my stance is even more appropriate.
Subversion is really the nasty thing about jews - but undermining of regional competitors, especially outside racial clade, via non-military means? People have been doing that as long as there have been people.

Isaiah Evans
Isaiah Evans

in a war he began
anyone can tell I am holding the same position.
You havent done anything that convinced others and much less when it comes to your consistency.

Ayden Peterson
Ayden Peterson

And you continue to avoid acknowledging that, if life is a struggle, then undermining your regional extra-racial competition is anything but merely 'jewish'.
<Yes we are, that's what undermining means.
Again, I am confused at what you are trying to say here.

Subversion and undermining do not at the expense of the people living there. Not even Hitler thought it was honorable.
The key point here is 'at the expense of the people living there'.
Explain to me how you view regional competition playing out between nation state of different race absent the initiation of open warfare, and how that does not, would not, and has not historically been demonstrable of attempts to undermine the political power in those nations being targetted.

The nasty thing about the jews is that they subvert and undermine to the harm of the native people without concern.
The Chinese likely do this too… But then, so do many clades who've adopted this standard.
Open warfare is no longer viable in many cases due to the development of weapons technology, so other methodologies have come into play.
The jews have been using that same methodology for an extended period, because, bereft of technologic might, they were poorly at wielding the sword.

The lion is king of his domain, he has the power and strength to rip apart the prey that dare challenge him. Including Hyenas
Okay.
that doesn't mean we don't take a stand when threaten but a good majority of the issues the US faces has been due to interventionist policies since Woodrow Wilson.
Who is talking about the US specifically?
And you didn't address the point raised:
You said:
It should be that we leave other to our own devices
I replied:
The lion should just leave hyena to its own devices
<Utopian in the utmost. The world is interconnected, by requisite, invalidating this lolberg-tier stance.
You have offered no response to this statement, except to wander into some shit about US international interventions, and that's not the point.
The point is that, the very notion that a power will not, should not, act to serve its interests is ridiculous, and that, due to the interconnected nature of our world - much like the ecologic and spatial interconnection of the environment of the lion and hyena - this tends to promote actions being taken to serve the aims of those we're focusing on.
There are many methodologies at the lion's disposal with regards to dealing with the hyena, besides simply running up and killing it, and the same is true of nation states.

That Jews are parasitic
Yes.
animalistic
No.
peoples
Hell no.
that try to control every facet of life as oppose to living among each other not as equals but in respect to our differences.
Jews don't see that.
Nobody sees that my man.
They see a people underneath them and that it is their domain to rule over.
So do most others, especially those that are successful.
Now, the difference arises in the perspectives in play.

The jews are a parasitic invasive subversive presence, a minority which seeks to aid itself by driving others into conflict with their surroundings and with themselves. We don't like this because… Why would we? The European man prefers to face an enemy directly if able - but often, that ability is not present, for a variety of reasons.
The tactic itself however, while most-greatly espoused and in the most virulent manner by the jews, is by no means restricted to them alone.
Undermining your neighbors to serve your interests at the expense of theirs is called conflict, whether you're doing it with weapons or doing it with words. The point is, to not let it happen to YOU, and to avoid it happening to those you give a shit about.

I didn't say I don't expect it, I'm saying it's not right.
It is right though.
We are at competition but that doesn't make the competition just.
The competition is just.
It's merely a harsh reality of the human race.
Its a harsh reality of reality bro.

You really DON'T know what it means to 'disprove' something at all, do you?
<pedantry
Yeah, you still don't.

Evan White
Evan White

let the fatbodys, needle nazis and feds have german imagery

no theyll get rope for being untermensh

Oliver Baker
Oliver Baker

For anyone wanting to know he is full of shit.
Look up the polish-britain alliance and find the newspaper of judea declares war on germany.
That's it.

Nolan Johnson
Nolan Johnson

You haven't.
Yes I did. You dismissed it all, as it proved you wrong.

If I'm talking to a human projector, I guess its fair to be a human mirror.
<no u
Ok.

Yeah, nah.
So being a degenerate is right as long as you are white? I disagree.
Racial purity is as important as not being a degenerate. Hence, between a white faggot or a based trad creatura amerimutt 56%er, I chose neither.
In a hipothetical scenario, though, a racially pure but deathly degenerate society is preferable as it's almost impossible to come back from a muttening.

civic or cultural or religious function
Racial soul has nothing to do with that. Also, Fascism isn't that either, as they had a racial conception of the nation.

<Evola is just another civic nationalist in a fancy uniform-style faux-nationalist
lol. If you believe this you don't know anything about Evola. FYI Evola was a racialist.

I am not going to become a fascist,
If you are NS you are fascist.
nor am I going to promote fascism
If you promote NS you are promoting Fascism.
nor am I going to buy into the faulty notion that fascism and National Socialism are equivalent.
They are. The "differences" you "pointed out", being mainly "fascism is just statism" and "fascism isn't racial", are false and based on out of context things, as fascists had a racial conception of the Nation, and independant of the state.

This discussion will clearly not go anywhere. I recomend you one last time to read the article.

Asher Green
Asher Green

This is straight up dismissal of the quote.
Yep.
It proves that they believed in a nation different from the state.
Does it?
<Mussolini’s speech had once again contained an ultimatum to the state, the final ultimatum: “If the government does not give in to the wishes of those, who represent the nation, the blackshirts will march on Rome.“
It makes a distinction between the government and the nation, not necessarily the nation and the state.

Fact remains, from what I've seen of italian fascism, they hop back and forth between prioritization of biologic race, and half the time I can't even be sure if they're referring to the race in biologic context.
I have no real interest in what appears to have been a substandard ideology focused too heavily, IMHO, upon civic, cultural and religious factors over biologic factors.

With all the quotes you're throwing out without an effective reference frame for the argument being levied, I can't honestly be bothered at this point to go back an sift through it all and try to discern where and when the fascists were espousing what you claim. That alone, not to mention the perspectives of the men in question who've levied disagreement to your position, leads me to continue to view your position as faulty.

Its not even a matter of laziness, its a lack of trust in your source because I know of them and have no respect for them whatsoever, nor do I trust their interpretations of the material on offer.

Jace Foster
Jace Foster

<It makes a distinction between the government and the nation, not necessarily the nation and the state.
what Mussolini had said during the first Fascist congress in Milan: “We cannot remain deaf to the struggle for Fiume, we deeply feel the living nature of the ties that bind us not only with the Italians of Zara, Ragusa, Cattaro, but also with the Italians of Ticino, even with those Italians that do not wish to be Italian – with the Italians of Corsica, Italians living across the ocean, with that huge family that we wish to unite under the aegis of common racial pride.”
This proves it beyond doubt.

Fact remains, from what I've seen of italian fascism, they hop back and forth between prioritization of biologic race, and half the time I can't even be sure if they're referring to the race in biologic context.
It appears so when you take the comments out of context yes.

Its not even a matter of laziness, its a lack of trust in your source because I know of them and have no respect for them whatsoever, nor do I trust their interpretations of the material on offer.
As I said before
<atomwaffen was subverted by satanists, therefore anything faintly related to them is bad

This conversation is clearly futile as you have already made up your mind about the topic. Just a heads up, you are wrong.

Lincoln Ward
Lincoln Ward

The reason why Hitler lost the war when he did was because Germany was not ready for war. Study the German military in 1939 and you will likely come to the same conclusion.
Still no evidence of this.

The reason why Stalin was
We already had this conversation.

He actually could have won if he had waited.
He could have won as-was. It was a distinct possibility.
You still haven't presented any evidence to the contrary, you just keep shying away whenever requested, making claims without backing, and saying 'lookit the stats'.

Learn to read, nigger
[*toothless assmad kvetching intensifies*]

LOOKATDIS!!!!! PLEASE SOMEONE VALIDATE M!!!!!
What the fuck are you talking about? You're like an emotional woman. All you can do is bleat insults, provide no evidence of anything, and cry for evidence when someone presents a claim that acts contrary to your own.

My position remains
We did this already.
No it doesn't. That post was a cover. You're the cum dumpster that I talked about previously who goes to like 150+ posts in every thread, whose sole purpose on this board seems to be to constantly attack Germany and National Socialism, and you often try to cover yourself in the shroud of claim to support of the ideology so that you have a defense when its pointed out that you're actually just a subversive worm whose been spamming the board the last few months.

Anyone who reads my ID and yours will see how I maintain my position
No they won't.
They'll see this
I'm a relatively neutral in regards to both positions here.
leading into a few criticisms, leading after that into more and more disingenous positioning.

And I back up my positions with actual historical evidence.
Except you haven't provided evidence for ANYTHING requested thus far.

The "Hitler dindu nuffin" myth is insane.
Hitler didn't do anything bro.
If Hitler dindu nuffin wrong, then he wouldn;t have been obliterated in a war he began.
And there's there lies again.
We've been over this too. Hitler didn't start the war.
No matter how many times you claim otherwise, it will remain historical fact, backed by heaps of evidence, that the British and French declared war on Germany, on the basis of a treaty defined as originating out of intent to protect polish sovereignty, while failing to declare war on any other threat to polish sovereignty, and in fact leading to the casting-off of polish sovereignty in the face of the Soviet Union at Yalta.
Thus, its clear: The Anglo-Franco-Polish military alliance had NOTHING TO DO with polish sovereignty - it had only to do with giving the British and French an excuse to declare war on Germany.
Their actions being thusly, they started the war.

You've been screaming
I haven't been screaming about anything, you are the one constantly engaging in misrepresentative and false commentary, without any evidentiary backing, coupled with constant ad homs and obviously-bitter utterly-toothless assmad kvetching.
You lost, jew. And you're gonna keep losing. ;D

Brandon Carter
Brandon Carter

Also, I'm stiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiill waiting for you to make a th- excuse me - for you to make ANOTHER thread about the topic in question.

Why don't you?
Are you scared you'll get BTFO, like last time?

Colton Hernandez
Colton Hernandez

I'll pass, thanks.
I've seen what these mongoloids end up looking like.

But sometimes you just want to shitpost about bad jewish media.

Julian Torres
Julian Torres

Mind making why fascism and natsoc are the same thread I am actually interested in this topic migjt come there and make a few good posts.

William Nelson
William Nelson

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Jackson Wright
Jackson Wright

Fine by me.

Julian Jackson
Julian Jackson

what Mussolini had said during the first Fascist congress in Milan
<The first Fascist Congress, Rome, 1919.
“We cannot remain deaf to the struggle for Fiume, we deeply feel the living nature of the ties that bind us not only with the Italians of Zara, Ragusa, Cattaro, but also with the Italians of Ticino, even with those Italians that do not wish to be Italian – with the Italians of Corsica, Italians living across the ocean, with that huge family that we wish to unite under the aegis of common racial pride.”
We've been over this already.
I then posited the question of whether or not the Ethiopians would share that pride.
You suggested not, because they were not viewed as equals, only given limited citizenship.
My response was to agree with the conclusion of another writer in suggesting this would not suffice, and would result in admixture transpiring at unacceptable levels, regardless of laws inhibiting miscegenation.

This proves it beyond doubt.
Proves what, exactly?
That Mussolini viewed the nation and state as separate factors? I don't see any proof of that in the comment provided. I see recognition of his commentary of there being an ethnic connection between the Italian people the world over, but no distinction between nation and state.
And then what about this?
The Political and Social Doctrine of Fascism (1932)
"The Fascist conception of the State is all embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value."

Its weird how, between 1919, and 1932, suddenly, the state and the nation went from being the same, to being different.
Perhaps Mussolini viewed the previous state as seperate, but not the state as espousing the fascist conception of the state?
Do you perhaps see why those who prioritize biologic factors are less inclined to viewing italian fascism as on-par with National Socialism?

It appears so when you take the comments out of context yes.
I haven't, you've just failed to demonstrate what you claim. You've failed to prove it, as it were.

<atomwaffen was subverted by satanists, therefore anything faintly related to them is bad
It certainly makes their commentary suspect, yes. And I know about Noose, I've read their shit before, back when Nat used to post there… I think it was Nat? That scandifag that used to be on TRS? Whatever his name was.
I don't trust them, because they promote fascism and National Socialism as on-par with one another, and I have seen nothing to suggest that is the case, and heard strong argumentation against such perspective from those whom I do trust.

This conversation is clearly futile as you have already made up your mind about the topic.
The fact that you have failed to convince me of your position does not equate to my being close-mindedly decided about the topic at hand.

Just a heads up, you are wrong.
I ask you to prove it, but such seems to be a point of difficulty for many on this thread.

Nolan Sanchez
Nolan Sanchez

anyone who says otherwise is either a delusional larper
Radical Monarchism
Tell me again that Germany was acting honourably by standing by her committments to the Japs. Then tell me that Britain was acting dishonorably by standing by her committments to Poland.
Probably late to the party here, but would honorably standing by their ally also mean Britain declaring war on the Soviet Union as well as Germany?

Adam Morris
Adam Morris

Nah
Not an argument
Wow, great argument bro.
<didn't even read it
lmao
You haven't though.
Ignoring it and my points isn't a case of my not using examples, it's merely you denying it.
That's not an argument and the rest of this entry was just toothless warbling.
Yep it is, not it isn't.
The point that we've been discussing is not addressed in any meaningful sense via your commentary here.
Because not every authoritarian model is competent is my point, they grow incompetent in time.
Good lord you are pedantic as fuck.
Would you have liked me to just google it? Maybe make up my own definition?
It was when it was created, and meets the criterion you set forth.
Every system was new at one point, the Roman Republic was new at one point. It doesn't mean it stands the test of time.
Wow, someone who doesn't like authoritarianism… Oh, but you say you like "Nazism". Seems legit bro.
You can admire something while disagreeing with it. Hitler fucking disagreed a fuckton with Mussolini but still admired his policies. Zig Forums used to be a great place where people right of center interacted and discuss ideas regardless of if we were right or wrong. What matter was the conversation, with a little bit of banter on the side.
No, National Socialism is about maintain the traditions AND BIOLOGIC NATURE of one's people.
Yeah, adding another word doesn't make me wrong, mate. Learn to argue.
No, difference in perspective is a main driver thereof, as well as being a main driver of politics.
It's about who wields more power and can convince more people to join them on that basis.
That's retarded.
Because it's true, saying it's retarded doesn't disprove it.
Still sounds pretty tyrannical from here bud.
How so? We have laws in place in everday life and laws in place to prevent the government from doing certain things, "Hey, don't kill people that's bad and you'll be sent to prison." Is that tyrannical? Is the mere act of creating law and order tyrannical?
In all cases, the core point is that they have differences in perspective. And every ideological regime espouses this. Thus, there is only a spectrum of this transpiring, and in an authoritarian model, the capacity for this to expand is generally limited in scope.
I don't disagree but the authoritarian model is the exact opposite. It is entirely based on power and differences in perspective. They issue is it's vying for a kingdom of sorts, killing one another to achieve the top position. My point is, and always was, that's not a health nation nor is it ideal. Your rebuttals are basically "who cares everyone does it lol"
That is still not an answer to the question, and it won't be, no matter how many times you say it, and I've already explained this to you in-depth. Like a jew, you ignore it and repeat yourself as though nothing has been said.
What is a Jew?
Can you answer it?
I can, it's a cultural thing associated with the ethno-nationalistic nature of Judaism. That nature is unique and ancient and is a symbol of foreign intervention and subversion, from the Egyptians to now, the Jews had worked to divide nations.
That's explicitly false, specifically and especially wherein it comes to regional competitors of a different race.
To deny this is to lie outright.
Never denied it, I'm just saying not every single race or people want to each other over.
Which is true, if we were able to live separately and peacefully, there would be no need for any of this. I know that's improbable but again, it doesn't make it right either. People can kill other people, is that a nature of human savagery? Of course it is, that doesn't mean it's right.
Its not Jewish because everyone does it and has done it since before the Jews existed.
The point isn't who did it first, it's who are well-known for doing and the precedent it sets.

Ryder Parker
Ryder Parker

No, its recognition that within a nationalistic bent, there are going to be conflicts amongst competitors.
No, that's a blatantly lie. Nationalism is loyalty to your nation above all other interest because your nation is your people. And ultimately your race.
And throughout history people who were not jews, and who didn't seek to engage in open warfare with their regional competitors, have done what you claim is explicitly and intrinsically jewish.
I am aware of this, but that's also my point. My point is a precedent and commonality of Jews are their subversive nature, it's like if I say "Wow, you're obsessed with collecting money and controlling banks? That's pretty Jew-like."
I never said the Chinese were not like the jews in many ways, I said that everyone does what you are attempting to ascribe to the jews alone.
We wouldn't be nearly 10 conversations in with blocks of text if you didn't and thank you, anyways, for admitting my point: That the Chinese are Jew-like and had subverted nations and that it is a sickening thing to do.
That's why their authoritarian model is piss-poor, the Chinese are incompetent morons despite their high IQs. It's proof to me that an authoritarian model, even under a heavily collectivized and intelligent group of people, can be a backwards, filthy nation of infighting and instability, but oh, "because everyone does it it's okay."
No, rather, because you don't conceptually grasp what the meaning of words like 'prove' is, but behave as though you do, and thats frustrating.
<You don't agree with me and that's frustrating
How about reading a book, nigger.
Yes, it is.
If group A of people subverted group B and took control of group B's economic and political system and started filling the higher ranks with group A's people and group B's useful idiots, does that mean group A aren't essentially doing what Jews do?
China behaves very much like the jews in some regards, so thats a poor comparison; but most nations on earth now and throughout history have engaged in attempts to undermine their regional competition - especially of different racial clades - without resorting to open military force.
That's just a fact. The manner in which the Jews do so is intrinsically and specifically jewish - and the Chinese have, in some cases, undertaken similar methodologies, though usually less subversive in character than the jews themselves.
Not only did I never deny this, it's also my point. People do this and it's shitty. Is that just fact? Yes, but it's also fact that some people rape children, does that mean I should accept it as fact and go "well, it's just human nature that's happened throughout history"
Of course not, I'd give the guy the fucking death penalty.
Nationalists are concerned about the well-being of their

<People.

That's why it's nationalism.

<Exactly.
Glad you agree.
Perfect, then my stance is even more appropriate.
What are you talking about? That's your own point.

Cooper Jones
Cooper Jones

Subversion is really the nasty thing about jews - but undermining of regional competitors, especially outside racial clade, via non-military means? People have been doing that as long as there have been people.
Never denied this and I agree that Jews are nasty people. But let me ask you this. Say you have a successful nation that does nothing to other countries but is also neutral and doesn't take sides. I think they're a threat and decide to subvert them to my side. They get angry and now a once neutral nation is anti-my nation.
Who was in the wrong? Who started it?
Of course it's human nature but the nature of humans is to debate and have morality about things. That's why we feel guilt and remorse. We can comprehend it.
Again, I am confused at what you are trying to say here.
How could you be confused by basically "people act like Jews sometimes."
The key point here is 'at the expense of the people living there'.
Explain to me how you view regional competition playing out between nation state of different race absent the initiation of open warfare, and how that does not, would not, and has not historically been demonstrable of attempts to undermine the political power in those nations being targetted.
By not being so concerned about other nations politics and trying not to Jew each other for whatever reason. Again, I am aware it's happened before. I never denied it. But unless a nation is intentionally hostile to you, there's no need to Jew it. The Chinese and a lot of nations do it for malicious intent. The Jews do it for malicious intent. You can defend yourself by it by what interests do you have to subvert and undermine nations is not malicious? The only way I can think of is to protect your own people who live across the borders but even then that was easily solved with war.
The nasty thing about the jews is that they subvert and undermine to the harm of the native people without concern.
Yep.
The Chinese likely do this too… But then, so do many clades who've adopted this standard.
So what you're saying is people act like Jews.
Open warfare is no longer viable in many cases due to the development of weapons technology, so other methodologies have come into play.
Yep, but it still doesn't stop it. The Iran-Iraq war, the Yugoslav wars, civil wars, they still happen it's just large scale wars are rarer. But subversion, as I've said, is because of malicious intent and therefore it is wrong and in many ways, should be seen as an act of war.
The jews have been using that same methodology for an extended period, because, bereft of technologic might, they were poorly at wielding the sword.
Yep.
Who is talking about the US specifically?
Do you know what an example is?
And you didn't address the point raised:
You said:
It should be that we leave other to our own devices
I replied:
The lion should just leave hyena to its own devices
<Utopian in the utmost. The world is interconnected, by requisite, invalidating this lolberg-tier stance.

You have offered no response to this statement, except to wander into some shit about US international interventions, and that's not the point.
The point is that, the very notion that a power will not, should not, act to serve its interests is ridiculous, and that, due to the interconnected nature of our world - much like the ecologic and spatial interconnection of the environment of the lion and hyena - this tends to promote actions being taken to serve the aims of those we're focusing on.
I didn't wonder into "US international interventions" I used it as an example of a nation subverting and undermining other nations to achieve a goal. Of course a nations acts on its own self-interests. It doesn't make it right and it doesn't make it justified. There's a difference between a threat and perceived threat. Primarily one hurts you, the other doesn't.
There are many methodologies at the lion's disposal with regards to dealing with the hyena, besides simply running up and killing it, and the same is true of nation states.
I don't recall Lions funding a Democratic uprising in Hyenistan to oust their dictator, or a Tiger buying up lands, ports and politicians of a rival tribe of tigers for economic influence.
No
Is it not an animalistic desire to assert your dominance? What a soyboy lol
Hell no.
The only part I agree with, Jews aren't people.

Nicholas Edwards
Nicholas Edwards

Nobody sees that my man.
Because no one wants to admit it.
So do most others, especially those that are successful.
Now, the difference arises in the perspectives in play.
<Everyone else does it!
The jews are a parasitic invasive subversive presence, a minority which seeks to aid itself by driving others into conflict with their surroundings and with themselves. We don't like this because… Why would we? The European man prefers to face an enemy directly if able - but often, that ability is not present, for a variety of reasons.
The tactic itself however, while most-greatly espoused and in the most virulent manner by the jews, is by no means restricted to them alone.
Undermining your neighbors to serve your interests at the expense of theirs is called conflict, whether you're doing it with weapons or doing it with words. The point is, to not let it happen to YOU, and to avoid it happening to those you give a shit about.
Yes, yes, yes, so I'm right that it's fucked up and we should avoid it. That doesn't mean take it like a bitch, you can stop a hostile nation by fucking with their economics like the US does often, but you don't need to buy out a politician to lie to their people and serve their interests.
It is right though.
How many people died in Communist subversion and undermining of nations?
How many people died in Islamist subversion and undermining of nations?
How many people died in Democratic subversion and undermining of nations?
Is it right that I kill a man because I dislike his politics when he means no harm to me?
Is it right for us to invade Iran because they don't like Israel or to invade Venezuela, because its people were dumb enough to elect socialist or for China to threaten and bully its neighbors for influence and control other sovereign nations land or to make the quality of living for other people worse because Israel or oil or economic wealth?
The competition is just.
Oh sure it is, that means I can invade other nations as an showcase of my will.
Its a harsh reality of reality bro.
Sure is
Yeah, you still don't.
Eh?
Take a break m8, this isn't reddit. No one cares about our novels.
I've written books less wordy than this, it's like a Redditor comment section.

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Oliver Robinson
Oliver Robinson

Or the fact even after the war poland still got taken by the soviets?

Charles Bennett
Charles Bennett

OP's a faggot who loves cock

Just create a non-natsoc pro-white movement
Why? Because you'll never win without mass support, gotta correct those optics!

You clearly have not lurked two years. First off, if you did, you'd realize that you can't create a mass movement when the entirety of the press, Hollywood, universities, TV, banks, big business, and established political elite stand against you. And no matter how we brand ourselves, we'll always be "evil nazis", the MSM hates us because we represent actual social change. In the end, the proposed level of optic cucking will be entirely worthless.
But even if the masses all flocked under our banner in spite of all logic, so what? You think that the political establishment won't pull every tactic in the book to delay us coming into power? Do you think that the people who have committed themselves to destroying us will give up and go home? That they won't use the same subversive attacks that they've used for years and eventually bring in millions of shitskins to rig the vote in their favor? Fat fucking chance they won't. We're up against an enemy that wants us dead. You can't vote yourself out of genocide.

What matters, instead, is the quality of the members. You see, you only need 3% of the people to pull a revolution. This three percent also doesn't care what the MSM has to say, they're able to think for themselves. This 3% doesn't care if an ideology is on the fringe, they believe what they believe in spite of others. Most importantly, this 3% has the skills to put us in a position of power.\ Once the new state is created the masses will do what they do best, that being conforming to enforced norms.

Also, the stawman of the "Neo-Nazi" skinhead you keep bringing up is indicative that you watch too much TV. Skinheads exist more in film then in the real world, a stereotype made up by Hollywood to push an agenda. On the rare occasion that they exist in reality instead of movies, skinheads are not a political group, but a subculture. Zig Forums is not pro-skinhead. Zig Forums is not pro-NeoNazi. Zig Forums is Natsoc. Zig Forums isn't nat soc for the culture like skinheads are. Zig Forums has embraced NatSoc based on a combination of empirical and rational proof. Zig Forums is the 3%.

TLDR: We don't need the support of the majority of white people. We don't need to bend over backwards to look good for the majority by sacrificing truth. We need a handful of Ubermensch, men who can look beyond optics and see the truth in our ideology.

TLDRTTLDR (Too long didn't read the too long didn't read): Lurk two more years and stop sucking cock

Thomas Butler
Thomas Butler

I don't trust them, because they promote fascism and National Socialism as on-par with one another
<I don't trust and thus dismiss the source which says NS and Fascism are the same because they say NS and Fascism are the same

I ask you to prove it
I did. I also pointed you to sources which delve deeper into the topic. You ignore both. As I said, futile.

Kayden Perry
Kayden Perry

uthoritarian model, even under a heavily collectivized and intelligent group of people, can be a backwards, filthy nation of infighting and instability, but oh, "because everyone does it it's okay."
The chinese had always been backwards where the fuck have you been?
High iq's
They cheat their tests their iq isn't really that high.

Jaxson Hernandez
Jaxson Hernandez

If you’re trying to gain the support of white people, you’ve already lost. Only primitives are racially aware, and modern information economies have no place for that. Soon technology changes such as implanted hardware and gene therapies will eliminate even the last bastions of racial awareness. The final emancipation is at hand - we will at last be free of pigment slavery.

William Bailey
William Bailey

Hey, if they do they do

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Noah Morgan
Noah Morgan

Ethnostate first, statues of Hitler later

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Nathan Mitchell
Nathan Mitchell

This place is just obsessively self-humiliating. The bastions of “concealed” bigotry are in my experience not bigoted, and even the overt bigoted environments are getting dismantled. Fundamentally, this whole racism schtick is something retards applaud themselves for being smart enough to ignore while they talk about other things, but the price is they live their lives in false power and true slavery, false laughter and true misery.

Sebastian White
Sebastian White

race is skin color!
schtick
jesus fucking christ, its a jew

Jordan Hughes
Jordan Hughes

ALso here is a thing about national socialism that you tend to forget it can be easily modified to fit the modern standard of reality today, but regardless I think you tend to underistimate the lemmings they will side with who ever for things to be normal or having a good life.
Correction you actually need 10% of the population.

Chase Smith
Chase Smith

People who profess racism do what no sane and healthy person does, obsessively working to retain the most broken sociopathic subservience of history. Racism is feudalism at its root, and feudalists of all pigments appreciate being able to tell at a glance which bitches they own.

Connor Bailey
Connor Bailey

unfamiliar words are Jewishness
whew

Adrian Ortiz
Adrian Ortiz

Nah, I have said that National Socialism can work today if modified to fit the current climate. My only grip is what model it should take and what way it could work out. If you'd like to establish an authoritarian model, go right ahead. I don't agree with it but I understand why nor would I be too up at arms about it. I just think there's a better way to do it that doesn't need to be fixated on heavy authority. I might underestimate their lemmings, it is overwhelming at times. But we are vying for a better standard of living for one and all.
Thanks, user.

Thomas Sanchez
Thomas Sanchez

Because you talk like a jew there is reasons for how we are you are not going to convince people to change their ways I mean this thread is a good example of that we stick to our positions, you spouting non arguments and relying on the stupidity of those who have facts and truth on their side side is not going to change people's minds with this you will get a huge push back.

Alexander Martinez
Alexander Martinez

jews say schtick, men say skit

Lincoln Lee
Lincoln Lee

This /leftypol/ transhumanist is greatly rustling Zig Forums jimmies for like a week. WTF happened that you are all failing for that? Are you all cuckchan refugees?

Dominic Cooper
Dominic Cooper

hetlur h8 juice fur dere constabulary anny hewem vie dere fnords

Michael Fisher
Michael Fisher

You seem like a reasonable fellow user I do agree with some of the things you say.

Jack Smith
Jack Smith

It isn't LARPing if you're physically fit and follow a code of ethics. Tubby fat lardasses are always LARPing.

Christian Stewart
Christian Stewart

Shills continuously bumping the thread.

Jackson Perez
Jackson Perez

optics cuck makes thread trying to get others to renounce National Socialism and The Führer
Thread literally crawling with JIDF, glowniggers and kike shills
True National Socialist kameraden STILL succeed in having interesting discussion on history and politics

I love you guys. This is the true National Socialist Ardor the Führer spoke so much about. Heil Hitler!

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Oliver Johnson
Oliver Johnson

Gud ol’ news tho for the un unazzied de whirled

Lincoln Rivera
Lincoln Rivera

If I'm reading your post correctly, you're proposing that we ignore them so they get starved of attention.
Not a terrible idea, but the problem is that ideas don't die if their opponents ignore them. They will still continue to grow by recruiting newfags who are still on their way to becoming National Socialists. If we don't respond, then it gives them legitmacy. It's better to argue and nip these terrible ideas like OP's in the bud. Also, when responding in these bait threads, it's important to SAGE so as to keep the catalog clean

Nicholas Hill
Nicholas Hill

Jews saying a German phrase? Men only speak Anglo? The fuck?

Daniel Lewis
Daniel Lewis

Ethnicity is a tricky thing.
Too many Europeans (like the guy you are arguing with) think their particular ethnic clade sprang out of the earth, without any mixing with other, racially similar tribes.
It just boggles the mind how so many people think like this (unless, of course, they are just shills).

Aiden Kelly
Aiden Kelly

You literally can't cheat the modern visual based IQ tests. It's literally impossible. You're either able to get through them and score well, or you're not.

The written tests are different, they can be cheated if you're semantics knowledge of the language in question is greater than average. Most written IQ tests have what's called logical indicators. Which means the inversion of the question at hand cancels out the wrong answers, and leaves the probable answers apparent.

I am not Asian myself. I just know how the tests work. The last IQ test I took was a visual based test. That's when I scored over 250 and basically caused myself a shit load of trouble.

Charles Powell
Charles Powell

Judging by that faggot ass Meyers Brigs thread a few days ago, most here are INTP/J types. You're brains, and you over esteem your brains. You overthink mundane bullshit, and you try to solve problems that you haven't come to and which you'll never touch. The fact is, the skinheads you faggots snub are more Aryan than the lot of you combined.
Yes, cocksucker. That's right. Only a yid switches to old country jibber like he walked off the fucking boat. The fuck you seek is your dry fist up your distended asshole.

Samuel Clark
Samuel Clark

You larping Nazifags are too scared to leave your house. Look at the Swedes, Germans, French, etc.

Jeremiah Adams
Jeremiah Adams

Oy vey goym , nationalism doesnt work
Op is a kike , nationalism works wherever you apply it made a power house from the post ww1 Germany and Japan was the major power in the east so if you have no brain to recognize that you are a fuckink normie ,m uch like op , also fuck off to 4fag
Communism on the other hand doesnt work , a very high chance of failure wherever it is adopted

Chase Collins
Chase Collins

Yup, I wonder how these jewish shills will report to their bosses.
Hey shekelstein did the psyop work?

W well boss
Your fired get this failure out for failing to change or disrupting people.
<Vid related is schlomo coming home after dissapointing the idf and his boss for being a massive failure while Zig Forums fucks with the rest of their minds.

Jaxson Stewart
Jaxson Stewart

You are talking about marshall Rydz-Smigly (typical pole name there, right?).
He stated, repeatedly, that east Prussia should be part of the almighty polish empire.
Despite all his big talk, he fled after the germans invaded.
took the bait
It was pretty much inevitable, dude.
Rydz-Smigly (and the polish population in general wanted what Germany had.
Don't forget that they had carte blanche from the English and French to pretty much do as they pleased.

Samuel Foster
Samuel Foster

Point taken now the fact they cannot directly beat us in arguments now their relying on their half ass shitposting god how do you people even live with your selves?

Joseph Mitchell
Joseph Mitchell

Can tell a fuckin jew posted this, they know their fuckin time is almost up and the white man is turning against them.

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Wyatt James
Wyatt James

Hey TorPedo faggot… I have seen you post this same message in multiple threads lately. In fact, I saw you in the Nordfront thread just a second ago screeching about how they aren't 'STORMFAGS OY VEY GOYIM!"

nordfront.se/hitler-och-tredje-riket.smr

Reminder: Your shilling will not work here. You will not succeed in turning any of us away from National Socialism or the words of The Führer. Tell your kike bosses you have failed and remember… Traitors get the bullet first :^)

Jace Hill
Jace Hill

He literally had a jewish mistress for most of his time in office, and wanted to bring millions of blacks into his Neo-roman empire (obviously oblivious to why the first roman empire collapsed).
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Brayden Baker
Brayden Baker

Isn't it a rule by now that all TOR fags are closet Q fags?

Luke Johnson
Luke Johnson

Sudo doesn't run Pol. Most of the sudo crowd can't even compete with older hatechaners.

Carson Kelly
Carson Kelly

torfags? yes. torniggers post from work. that work is jidf 9/10 times

Dominic Jones
Dominic Jones

If you have time time to tornigger from work, your job should be cancelled. You are useless to society.

Anthony Lee
Anthony Lee

it doesn't need to be fixated on heavy authority
I honestly don't see how the current situation in the west can be solved without some form of authoritarian state power, but you do you.

Jose Walker
Jose Walker

(checkem)
bulli torposters
#notalltorpedos :(

Leo Thompson
Leo Thompson

This user is a kike or the resident Zig Forums shitskin take note. Read his 4 other posts

David Hernandez
David Hernandez

It's not hard to undo the situation, a dictatorship could be used but it shouldn't be permanent. it should be something similar to how dictatorships worked under the Roman Republic, where the head of state takes supreme power for a limited time to fix the state of the republic.
Afterwards, it could go back to normal as it usually did in Rome. There's no real need for a permanent authoritarian state, I see it more as a temporary, transitional solution than a permanent one. That said, if it was attempted to be permanent, I wouldn't be ass blasted over it. I'd glad that we're at least free from Jewry and Democracy even if it comes to the expense of the Republic and the Constitution. I just have precautions about it and doubt on its longevity.
Hey, we may be split on how to achieve our goal but we can at least see it the same. No matter if you support a republic, a monarchy, authoritarianism or what have you, let's save the white race, user.
God speed.

Kevin Reyes
Kevin Reyes

The remote in the ass thing always gets me

Kevin Wood
Kevin Wood

pointing out the fact that the poles had their eyes on german territory, and the fact that Mussolini had a jewish mistress makes me a shill.
Come on.
It depends on the ultimate outcome of the situation.
If we are able to get back all, or most of our countries, I believe that there wouldn't need to be a permanent authoritarian apparatus.
But if the situation is something similar to the NWF books, where we only have one country of our own, it will, by necessity have to have a long term authoritarian government.

Joseph Williams
Joseph Williams

LARPERS LARPERS DEGENERATES STOP DEVIATING FROM THE WORD OF GOD YOUR RACE DOESN'T MATTER
Stay mad christcuck.

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Ryder Wright
Ryder Wright

Mirko Wiriskowski tattooing the swastika on his chest is just silly.
I think the argument is that the swastika is evolving in the same way the confederate flag became a general symbol of rebellion.

Hudson Murphy
Hudson Murphy

Everyone's a shill
Everyone's a jew
Everyone's a shill
Everyone's a jew
Everyone's a shill
Everyone's a jew…
This threads a waste of keystrokes. Where did all the smart posters move to?

Luis Scott
Luis Scott

youtube.com/channel/UCsJ86N5n7fcEC_Ds8dYJKzA

Adam Morgan
Adam Morgan

a full on authoritarian regime like in Nazi Germany is unsustainable because of the internet.
Where are the proofs?

John Lee
John Lee

Ethnostate
Ethnoglobe first, statues of Shlomo later

Brayden Lewis
Brayden Lewis

where did the smart posters move to.
No where just move to bunkers here and there but that's about it.

Kayden Brooks
Kayden Brooks

National socialism is mandatory for any sufficiently advanced Nation, its not just some trivial political system.
As for its unpopularity, that's a good thing.
This is because it deters pussies.
Pussies like you.

But as our situation deteriorates the very propaganda used to defame National Socialism becomes - paradoxically - pro National Socialist Propaganda.
This is because when your people are being raped and murdered out of existence and even the act of timidly objecting is a hate crime it makes a group of ruthless, uniformed, racist killers that will march down the street and clean fucking house for YOU really appealing.

This is the perfect storm for the rise of National Socialism and it cannot be stopped.
Its beautiful and hilarious and shills like you can only kvetch and bluster and try and make us cuck.
But we wont cuck because we have seen where that gets us, cucks like you have shown us.
Isn’t it great?

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Lincoln Scott
Lincoln Scott

Click the ID and read through the novels

Jaxon Thomas
Jaxon Thomas

What some of us seem to be forgetting:
There is no competition between fighting the system and fighting the jew. Both fights are part of each other and equal-ranking.
Our struggle against judaism is not some sort of luxury. Wherever we are attacking the jew, we are fighting for out race!

Zachary Morris
Zachary Morris

I agree op. I think the focus should be on traditionalism and bio-realism. NS iconography is too alienating for most people. The point shouldn't be summoning the 4th Reich but standing up for white identity and European heritage and breaking the media and public education lrogramming that tells whites constantly to be ashamed of who they are.

Wyatt Scott
Wyatt Scott

ip hop

Aaron Davis
Aaron Davis

I'll even go as far as saying that I even support leftists who criticize Israel, like Omar, when they criticize Israel. The Jew, as a survival strategy, is really good at getting their host culture to think deconstructively of their own society. They promote this type of self reflection openly as creating fairness, but ultimately it serves a process of demoralization to the gentile. The Jew is trained from a young age to never turn that same razor on their own culture. Many Jews are not traditionalists, and really one of our best weapons isn't just promoting pride in European heritage, but in also promoting demoralization toward the Jew through the anti-Zionist left. The anti-occupation leftists are honestly the best means of causing discord within Jewery over support for the Jewish state. People larping as scary Nazis will only unify them against their arch-enemy from recent history.

Caleb Lewis
Caleb Lewis

No

Logan Gonzalez
Logan Gonzalez

larping as nazis
You just outed your self.
You fell for the stereotype from the media and it is something you canmot contain the more people realize the truth around the reality of today they are a few steps closer to becoming national socialists you are correct that jews want people to larp as neo nazis but in no way do they want a resurgence of national socialism because once that happens they know they will get fucked which is why it's psyop told lies about suppressed (((assassination))) attempts tend to occur and while shilling against it on cuckchan and fullchan shows it to be apparent.

Kayden Perez
Kayden Perez

Using buzzfeed cherrypicked photos from 2010
Nice job ousting yourself
the failings of the National Socialist branding.
Do you know what Liberty Lobby was? how about the John Birch Society? Council of Conservative Citizens? American Freedom Party? Probably not because they all followed your blueprint decades ago and fell into absolute obscurity.
The fact that you use the term 'Neo Nachtzee' makes me think you're a 16 year old acting like he has the 'cure' to the movement. You don't.

To gain the support of white people, we must appeal to the majority of white people or we will forever be on the fringes
Also not true. The white normalfags will NEVER support a white movement until their lives and comfort are threatened. Until then they will close their eyes and ears and pretend nothing is wrong. READ THE LEMMING PRINCPLE

Even basic bitch right wingers are being deplatformed. You will never be allowed to have mainstream acceptability and they will treat you just like they treat the nazis.
Jared Taylor recieves just as much backlash as if he were a flag waving natsoc.
The best propaganda I can do is cherrypick and shit on working class white people instead of the enemy.

Jayden Hughes
Jayden Hughes

lumps IOTBW in with the rest of this trash

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Hunter Bennett
Hunter Bennett

TRS made a thread

Dylan Butler
Dylan Butler

muh optics

When it comes to our future it's better to be right and hated than to be wrong and loved

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Alexander Scott
Alexander Scott

National Socialism And The Most Cherrypicked Examples We Could Think Of
a lot of which aren't actual national socialists

Julian Murphy
Julian Murphy

The "Neo-Nazi" LARPers are either feds or fools.

Aaron Hughes
Aaron Hughes

sage

Luke Richardson
Luke Richardson

Go back to fucking 4pol you retard this is inherently a national socialist board

Owen Clark
Owen Clark

Just because of historical connotations, it isn't viable.
What isn't viable? Are you referring to the ideology itself or just its branding? Because I see no reason why National Socialism as an ideology cannot be implemented while publically eschewing all things overtly NSDAP.

Lincoln Jones
Lincoln Jones

You would have to keep your national socialism very private then or you would be quickly outed as Nazis and so public eschewing it would be irrelevant.

Zachary Wilson
Zachary Wilson

avoiding the nsdap
What?
How?
Do you mean being our own thing or not borrow some of nsdap ideas or policies and adding our own?

Ayden Peterson
Ayden Peterson

baste. it's happening.

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Isaac Davis
Isaac Davis

Take the redpill normal White people. Larping will never save Whites.

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Eli Butler
Eli Butler

Are you dumb? Both the top group in the picture (Nordic Resistance Movement) and the middle one (The Third Path) openly support Nationalsocialism.
Granted, the NSM in America is indeed a fed group and has been since it was founded, but saying 'normal white people' seems to imply that you think the top two groups aren't NS when they are, openly so.

Zachary Morales
Zachary Morales

HAPPENING, SIEG HEIL !

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Owen Lopez
Owen Lopez

wheat fields

cringe

Jaxson Rodriguez
Jaxson Rodriguez

So all national socialism is LARPing? Fascism is LARPing? Don't forget, just 75 years ago, the largest war in the history of humanity was fought between fascism and the greatest capitalist war economies in the world. Read a book faggot.

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Jace Ross
Jace Ross

I'm a white girl and this thread is literally why I will never date a guy who would ever consider himself a white nationalist. Fucking low life white trash scumbags.

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Benjamin Fisher
Benjamin Fisher

There you go larpers. You just don't have enough intellect to understand that one can be pro White and not a cringe White Nationalist.

Enjoy your smelly ugly non White girlfriend.

Alexander Foster
Alexander Foster

white girl

You mean mentally ill tranny

Thomas Harris
Thomas Harris

Tired of the D&C campaigns from the FBI. First it was Douglas Mackey with the "optics," then it was the whole Christcuck LARPer crew, now we recently just saw even NRx is compromised due to PT Carlo. Fuck off. Violence will win the day.

Dominic Carter
Dominic Carter

This faggot.
Day in, day out.
The RED TEXT FAGGOT doesn't get paid enough to embarrass itself like this.
Watch it squirm.

Carson Ramirez
Carson Ramirez

No one is falling for this ip hopping spamming kike good god you people are so obvious.

Landon Reed
Landon Reed

Every thread here is a Jew D&C faggot.
No red text faggot
A White tranny is a step up from what you're dating.

Owen James
Owen James

YEEEEESSS!!!
Keep mistaking our silence, and strategical patience as fear and weakness, you stupid, arrogant kike.
Your hubris blinds you.
You're never gonna see it coming.
I love watching you parasites kvetch.

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Alexander Johnson
Alexander Johnson

You're a kike faggot, and you fool no one.
What's with this "girlfriend" Red Herring, you faggots are pushing?
I don't know what you're talking about.
Chicks fucking dig me. Can't keep their wet spots off of me. I'm the one beating them back now that I'm awake, and only in the market for a wife and family.
Keep projecting, you ferret faced incel.
No effect shilling is amusing.

Caleb Reed
Caleb Reed

You're just salty you're a wierdo freak pic related

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Josiah Anderson
Josiah Anderson

You will never leave your house and do anything in defense of Whites. Just shit up the internet with Nazis for the Jews.

Kevin Gutierrez
Kevin Gutierrez

wahh

Dominic Hughes
Dominic Hughes

Keep telling yourself that, neanderkike.
You don't know shit about any of us.
Maybe deleting us from the internet was actually a bad idea looking back in hindsight, eh? Now you have zero information about our goings on, do you?
HAAAHAHAA!! Fucking kikes don't know when to quit!
There's a reason you're here trying your ancient, tired tactics on those who are going to eat your heart.
…tick tock.

Ayden Martin
Ayden Martin

After the hard beating you got by Zig Forumsacks on this thread you went back to spamming your shit?
I am not surprised I knew you would because you cant argue for shit. But keep shilling and getting your ass beat in every thread and called out.

Josiah Walker
Josiah Walker

Because these kikes are using an anger trolling tactic and think anons hate them due to sexual frustration when that is further from the truth even if I had girlfriend or a wife right now I still would hate them.

Joseph Jackson
Joseph Jackson

this
My how things have changed.

Dylan Bennett
Dylan Bennett

You degenerate so called "whites" who spam anti-NS and anti-Hitler shit (I suspect you are not white at all but kike shills, though retarded cucked whites are also possible) will be purged along with the Jews and shitskins on DOTR. Remember, traitors get the bullet first.

HEIL HITLER!
SIEG HEIL!

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Jonathan Lopez
Jonathan Lopez

HA! What the fuck are you even talking about?
You're projecting again, you IP hopping, RED TEXT FAGGOT!
Are you seriously trying to convince yourself that you are still invisible here, you glowing nigger?
It's just sad now. Get a hobby, kike. Enjoy it as much as you can before we come for you.

Alexander Moore
Alexander Moore

Friendly fire did not mean to respond to you.

Cooper Morris
Cooper Morris

Don't you have a Jewish building to paint a swastika on Schlomo?

Asher Hughes
Asher Hughes

muh false dichotomy
Quality argument, kike.

Jaxson Perry
Jaxson Perry

<National Socialism is about the person's relationship with the State. The State is beyond a single people.
<Dude sorry to break it to you, but you can't have more than one National Soclaist government in the endgame. The whole point is that the State should grow to become all encompassing.
<The National Socialist State cannot abide the existence of another State.
being this much of a brainlet
jej, try picking up a book, you colossal faggot.

Connor Garcia
Connor Garcia

absolute degenerates and zog bots, they do not even know about nature's eternal laws.

Brandon Martinez
Brandon Martinez

If you can't argue in good faith, don't argue.

not an argument

Henry Cruz
Henry Cruz

Or you could just fuck off to somewhere else, and leave us to stew in our own craziness, since we're so insane and all. See you again never, I guess.

Blake Moore
Blake Moore

Nice projection kike, but that isn't an argument.

Matthew Long
Matthew Long

Get the fuck out kikes. Damn fucking kikes. They're like rodents.