France thread

Thinking that "immigration" makes a difference in the status of a prole is liberalism you class cuck.

Because there's no such thing as nationality.
We should be more worried about class cuck reactionaries like you tbqh.

Yeah it's not like countries have differents material and working conditions.

National sentiment might be a spook but nationality is a juridical reality.

It's you who want to deteriorate working conditions with immigration, you're the real class cuck.

A prole is a prole whatever side of an arbitrary line on a map says you dumb faggot.

It's still nonexistent you incredible dumbass.
You're a nationalist. You are a class cuck by default.

Immigration is a result of deteriorating working conditions, which is a constant under capitalism. Your fanciful bullshit pretends that these evil niggers are coming to "do the work Westerners won't do," when the reality is that wages in whatever country have become so depressed–another everpresent feature of capitalism as the rate of profit inevitably falls–as to be unable to sustain a worker at a reasonable standard of living.

The result is that Western workers "won't do the work" because doing so makes no economic sense. So these other proles are incentivized to come instead, and through the magic of your "juridicial reality" are turned into an underclass of super-exploited people that whether its because of custom or legal definition or whatever it is considered okay to viciously exploit, and subject to material conditions no worker would or should willingly subject themselves to were there a better alternative. You get several Mexican families living in a single unpowered unairconditioned trailer to earn dollars a day because their alternative back home is to live in an unpowered unairconditioned hovel where they earn nothing, because the same capitalists exploiting them in the US super-exploit them there, too, once more thanks to your faggot "juridicial reality."

Ironically it's this process that maintains your working conditions, you fucking dipshit idiot asshole. If these people weren't here and exploited in this way, it would be you, or some other marginal population within your country. In the US, it was (and still is) black people that historically formed this underclass of super-exploited people. For the English it was the Irish. For Germany, it was the Polish. I'm not exceedingly familiar with the labor history of France, but I wouldn't doubt it was some marginal group or non-elite ethnicity, Bretons or the Mediterranean French or this or that or whatever.

Even if your moronic, veiled Hitlerite ideology was true, there are always distinctions and categories that can and will be made to enable the hyper-exploitation of some marginal group. In the US, this is a major feature of the "justice" system. Incarcerated labor is a major source of revenue for companies like Whole Foods, who sell the produce grown by inmates for humongous markups while paying these people pennies for their work, if they get paid at all. Through systems of kickbacks and legal imperatives such as mandates to keep these prisons full by whatever percentage, not to mention policies and laws designed specifically to set convicts up for failure and reincarceration after they serve their sentence, millions of Americans are reduced to what is effectively slavery. This is being expanded in other ways, first tested in places like Detroit and Flint after 08, and now expanded to the entire island of Puerto Rico, which has been turned into an island of slaves basically into perpetuity.

This super-exploitation is created at this or that minority group's expense in order to keep working conditions relatively higher for the rest of the working population, to keep them from under the delusion that working conditions aren't already bad or worsening and from realizing that it is all the fault of the ownership class, their system of wealth extraction and accumulation, and their thoughtless stooges: you, who like emaciated vermin scrabble for crumbs and viciously attack any other creature scrawnier than yourself, all in the defense of what little you're allowed to have, to the benefit of those who have everything, and in their relentless desire for more will increasingly give you less and less. These immigrants are your exploiters, they're your fucking future, you imbecile.

Your position is nothing but reactionary, Hitlerite dogma dressed up in grotesque garb of a concern for labor. You're disgusting, even more disgusting than the bourgeois, who at least acts to their own interest. You're a wretched class cuck serving the system responsible for enslaving you, attacking your fellows in bondage for the crime of being worse off than yourself.

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Whatever happened to French Syndicalism? Is Sorel still relevant to the French left or has Mussolini permanently discredited his name?

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As a Puerto Rican i can tell you that my island is being turned into Hawai'i 2.0

I did not say otherwise, I just said that material and working conditions vary depending of the country because countries have different laws.

I never mention race but whatever.

So, if I well understood, immigration is a good thing because it protects Western workers to be even more exploited?

So why do you care about immigration if in any case there will always be a super-exploited class?

Yeah but all the ML factions that weren’t part of the PCF (such as the Maoists) generally liked it. Most MLS hold that the PCF is a revisionist party and that was a growing consensus even in 1968

They can go fuck themselves.

Who do you think pay for their easy working conditions, for their short weeks, for their early and generous retirement, for their advantages ? The rich pigs? Fuck you, the working class does. You boss is the state and the money of the state is the money of the workers. The richs avoid taxes and even when they are forced to pay they pay with money they took to the workers.

Your cost are so high that it is cheaper to take your car than the train even if you are alone. Who do you think pay this price when our only other choice is trafic for hours?
Due to that, in the campaing no one take the train anymore, the state have to eat the cost to keep the lines open. Your retirement fund is fucked and take billions off the state every year. Even then, you ask for billions to create new lines.
And what about the quality of the work? The trains are dirty, not on time and often cancelled. Who do you think take it in the face? The rich or the working class?
You cost billions to the state, billions the working class have to pay.

And you dare asking us to stand by your side? Fuck you. Fuck all of you with a cactus, I hope this puppet of the banks anally rape your ass and that this stupid status.

And since when does the far left fight to have more than one classe? Since when does it stand with workers who own the mean of production and stop working to hire other workers who have to do the job for cheap?

i think this is a good point on how strikes will only go so far in a system still controlled by free markets/markets