Is Maoist third worldism idpol and therefore reactionary? It's literally saying that the revolution can only happen with minorities and that anyone and everyone who lives in a first world nation is bourgeois.
Is Maoist third worldism idpol and therefore reactionary...
Luis Roberts
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Jordan Baker
No. It's class collaborationist, therefore reactionary. Spiritualist spooks don't help matters.
Don't act dumb
Cooper Hall
third worldism is the most logically consistent flavor of leftism imo
t. reactionary
Jason King
If the first world proletariat is so revolutionary why have there been literally 0 worker revolutions in there? checkmate atheists
Zachary Harris
Most intelligent third worldists, or rather maoists that have that sort of thinking, include US internal colonies among the third world. Like third worldists really like Settlers by J. Sakai, and that definitely argues for revolution in the united states. He just makes the very reasonable point that that revolution will not be led by whites and people should be wary of white workers who align themselves with the bourgeoisie as settlers.
Camden Cruz
Get the fuck out.
Elijah Harris
we're witnessing the apex of tankïe arguing skills
Adrian Turner
Third woldism has yet to be proven incorrect (at least empirically) by western marxist theorists though. The only reason it seems to be breaking down is because large swathes of the 1st world are regressing to third world status courtesy of international capital.
Evan Jones
Class collaboration is advancing socialism indirectly through anti-imperialist struggle, the bouj at home is always easier to overthroe than the bouj a continent away. Productive forces need to be developed under profit capitalism before a true socialism can be established.
Hunter Gray
I'd say yes and no, or rather there are pro and non idpol interpretations of third worldism. As most of you know there is a growing schism between Jason Unruhe/his fans and Maoists who would be sympathetic to J. Sakai. Jason's tweets on the Austin bomber and the reaction to said tweets proved that much. Generally Jason's interpretation of it sticks mostly to economic arguments while some other third worldist variants are more based in post colonial theory.
Liam Morris
Third worldism groups people by ther economic being and does not invoke identities, therefore it has nothing to do with Idpol.
What is even Maoist third worldism at all? Mao had a certain concept of three worlds, but it was a geopolitical, rather that revolutionary theory. Meme? Mistake due to similar-sounding ideas?
Adam Wright
There is no logical way to brand Maoism as reactionary. Class collaboration is fully in line with historic materialism.
Elijah Long
Leo Gonzalez
In the anti-imperialist context yes, capitalism is not developed evenly and profit capital is progressive conpared to land rent capital or feudalism, which a lot of thr world is currently stuck in (and bwing kept in due to imperialism).
Levi Watson
Maoists don’t want to restore feudalism, aristocracy and absolute monarchy. Therefore, they are nor reactionaries. The word “reactionary” doesn’t mean “anyone I disagree with”.
Jack White
so basically maoists are social democrats (with chinese characteristics)
Matthew Morales
Social democracy has created the most prosperous countries in the world, Maoism has created a famine that killed tens of millions of people.
Hunter Powell
Can't claim to speak for every Maoist, but the general principle is demand nothing less than full communism in the first world and let the third world, especially the feudal world, have its developmentalist nationalists like the OG KMT, Ba'athists, Chavismo etc.
Cooper Torres
Maoism has created the biggest poverty alleviation the world has ever seen, including ending constant starvation their nation has endured.
Communists are social democrats who chose a tactical approach of violent seizing of power and establishing revolutionary dictatorship.
There wasn't much of a distincion to begin with, and now it's mostly flavour. (as far as orthodox social democrats are concerned)
Joseph Ross
Famines happened in China every five minutes before Mao
Ryan Anderson
Communism is when the workers own the means of production, retard.
Dominic Powell
Sure, if by Maoism you mean Dengism
Nathaniel Reyes
Socialism is when the workers own the means of production, communism is when the means of production are not owned by anyone.
Brody Rogers
This is 100% wrong.
Communism has two meanings, more common of them being political ideology and system, created by Lenin
Noah Young
Nah boyo, look at the line rigjt after the GLP
James White
Deng Xiaoping was Maoist.
Benjamin Perez
If this was true there wouldn't be an entire school called Deng Xiaoping thought and it wouldn't be in the constitution by name
Christopher Perry
Oh yes, maoism turd worldism. Yes, thats very nice.
But i think you forgot about one thing jason.
THE FUCKING IRISH
Henry Nelson
What this fam said
Kevin Parker
The idea of communism existed even before Marx, much less Lenin.
Jason Gutierrez
That’s just catch-up effect
Tyler Ward
No shit, catching up is the entire story of 20th century communism
Cooper Ramirez
*blocks your path
Connor Price
I don't think this was quite Mao's policy.
Brayden Powell
You're insane.
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Chase Jones
Dominic Turner
Holy shit you are a blithering moron.
Lucas Perez
delicious first world impotent tears
Lincoln Murphy
If you don't think Ireland is first world, you legitimately need to get yourself sterilised to prevent you passing on your idiocy.
Ryan Gray
epic arguments my redditor friend
Nathan White
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Nathan Stewart
Settlers is fucking garbage.
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Caleb Sanders
i think he's just making fun of england
he's joking i'm 99% sure
Jace Barnes
I thought he was trying to trigger Irish people, but at the same time there are a lot of Americans who wank off Ireland that try to pretend 1920s Ireland had the same relationship as 1776 America with Gb.
Caleb Gonzalez
These people are beyond delusional. Industry here is much more heavily mechanized while in countries like India there's a lot more manual labor involved. The rate of exploitation is roughly the same.
Isaiah Edwards
I said OG, meaning Sun Yat Sen
Daniel Brown
wow fucking debunked settlers btfo
Alexander Sullivan
yes.
Andrew Powell
Good luck trying to ask a middle class american who lives a comfy life due to imperialism to risk their life in a revolution for socialism to stop imperialism.
Jack Diaz
Uphold Red Kahina Thought against Sakai's ultraleftism
Jonathan Murphy
Not all Amerifats live in 1st world conditions anymore. The midwest will become third world in the next decade or so.
Jaxon Gonzalez
If you looked for more than half a second you would see its the leader of the marxist prison organizing New Afrikan Black Panther Party providing an argument against Sakais cryptoreactionary meme of a book
Jaxon Hill
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Eli Miller
holy idpol batman
Joseph Carter
I refer you to this:
Angel Gomez
We're reaching Steve King levels of racism here. WTF is wrong with Zig Forums?
Carson Howard
no, not everything you don't like is "reactionary". i'm becoming to hate that word. it's like Zig Forums using the "degeneratė".
Jose Richardson
They support people of color, so they are by their very definition not reactionary
Mason Murphy
Oil and resources created the most prosperous nations in the world, not ideology.
Logan Cook
wut
David Young
This
Matthew Robinson
No. You are confusing Sakaism with "Third Worldism". Sakaism is NOT "third worldism".
Sakaism - the mystical idea that "whites = evil, but all POC = Proletarians" is inherently anti-third worldist, and ultra-first worldist. It is the political ideology of the democratic party.
Colton Cox
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Robert Wood
Any objective analysis of the US would reveal that Appalachia, the Deep South, and parts of the desert Southwest are third world.
Caleb Thomas
The Democratic party is not anti-capitalist. That is the whole point. Sakaism, as a movement, serves capitalism-imperialism. It is liberal imperialism wrapped up in radical language.
Lucas Morales
The ideology you are ranting about has no actual influence in the real world past literal memes.
Nathaniel Williams
And did an actual revolution happen? It was simply nationalism, thats it
Evan Gray
To an economistic Marxist, ALL politics outside of worker struggles are "idpol" de facto.
William Robinson
Socialism sucks! It is the biggest killer in human history, killing 100 million people. And yes, North Korea is socialist. Jabzy didn't mention the co-ordination of labor and the land reforms that North Korea has done. They nationalized farm land to ensure equality. All would work the land and equally share the fruits of it. Juche is the ideological center of the socialist regime of North Korea. It states that all North Koreans are equal, rich and poor (which no longer exist). And Juche is embodied by the Kim family. The Kim ruler is the arbiter of Juche. All socialist philosophy, making all North Koreans equa,l is passed through him. It is also atheist, and meant to replace all former "dogmatic" religions like Christianity and paganism. Like all good socialist atheist regimes, it is a "rational" calculation of class and social theory of equality, and the state was supposed to be the new replacement for religion. Thats is Juche. An atheistic, "rational" belief in the state, embodied by the Kim dynasty, who WAS the state. And yes, it has killed millions, due to the fact that socialism, like that in Venezuela, creates shortages.