"I'm not a liberal"
It has to be here
Levi Johnson
Wyatt Jones
There’s shit tier antideutsche level discussion going on here. And it’s between “america is purely shit” and “the entire first world is purely shit”
This is a screaming match, and basically two sides shitposting atm over whose Idpol is justified. I’m shitposting for the reason that this thread is now basically a giant shitpost (also I can’t delete post so I’m kinda hoping mods don’t ban)
Adrian Jones
I'm literally saying the world is so economically interconnected at this point, and still making fortune off past empire, that implying this all goes away more easily than it would have in the past is grossly naive; and hoping to just "wish" nations away is grossly naive and incompetent
The world is not the way it was in 1917, this will not start if Europe just magically snaps its fingers and stops working with America, and its voters stop working with America
We all need to realize just how naive we're being at the moment by wishing Europe as the patron saint of all Socialism anywhere. The opposite is very much true
Josiah Mitchell
Start explaining what praxis your theory leads to at any time.
Carter Thomas
As it stands all you've said is "Man Dad, I wish America wasn't here, if we just make sure America isn't here, everything will go swimingly"
That's naive. You don't know how naive you sound. Previously you said Fascism is better than Neoliberalism (at least impled it), as if they aren't linked at the bloody fucking hip.
You aren't taking into account how far Europeans will go to support Nationalism, support Neoliberalism, and support empty solutions that get us nowhere at their usual most radical usually (failing to see the structural problems that keep them from becoming independent). Usually they think Nationalism or Reactionary bullshit will free them from the grasp of Neoliberalism, and not just strengthen it
Europe is dangerously far right, and its left is dangerously naive. Its past, a Neoliberal POZ pit. It's future? The same.
There is much work to be done. And wishing things would be different, wishing nations went away, wishing this or that happened; I'm sorry but wishes get you fucking nowhere
Nathan Watson
Uh-huh, like what?
Isaiah Moore
marxists.org
Take a day off to read pal. You got a lot to learn
Jason Kelly
Also, I am not "wishing" for anything. I am literally, unironically arguing for obliteration of USA by any means. It is the primary target.
Sasuga, twitter """leftist"""
Zachary Price
No I'm not suggesting you read theory, perhaps you have
I'm demanding you reread it
Something went wrong down the line that made you think wishing was praxis
Ian Morris
And user is rightfully saying that's naive and liberal, ignoring the giant amounts of wealth Europe collectively has from its long colonial history, and people who believe NATO and nationalism and austerity are the future. At your most radical, people in Europe aren't willing to become as class conscious as needed, and only willing to champion anti immigration. Europe is still a very liberal place. I don't even understand how you would disagree with anyone who says as much