Language

People who are offended so easily about words really shoudn't be communists. They simply wouldn't survive.

Most of those words are fine, but if someone uses the word nigger i usually assume they're either edgy, under 18, or racist

just go on tinder mate. there's a shitload of girls that claim to be nihilist and then start moralizing about veganism and feminism. it's weird because i just don't know how nihilists could give a shit about stuff like that. or maybe i don't understand nihilism, idk. that's why i started the thread, maybe someone can explain this phenomenon.

not Zig Forums dummy

true, i'm not saying we should just shit on people and say shit just to be edgy. i guess i'm more talking about the liberal obsession with tone policing and becoming offended and pro-censorship about shit before it even happens. and of course, there's no denying that a certain sect of leftists love this kind of shit too, most of them idpozzed.

t.LARPingfrommymomsbasement

Behind closed doors, tone policing usually doesn't really matter much as long as it's understood that the offensive vocabulary is limited to jest and hyperbole. I mean, there isn't any point of whining about people on anonymous imageboards using the word "nigger" or "faggot", it's just ingrained in chan culture.

That being said, any self-respecting leftist using these words in public discourse is an absolute moron. Why would they deliberately antagonize and dehumanize people for their race or sexuality? It's not just uncalled for, it's blatantly hurtful to out cause — because yes, many proles so happen to be black or gay.

This is actually larping

using the words "nigger" and "faggot" does not "dehumanize" niggers and faggots for being niggers and faggotts unless the speaker is actually insulting or otherwise demeaning a nigger or a faggot for being one.

Fuck boons

How many layers of mental gymnastics are you on? There words are slurs designed to belittle specific groups of people, using them is an insult in itself. Is it really that hard to act like a fucking civilized human being?

Fuck baboon. You're going back to the zoos.

>These words are
no.
meaning of words has nothing to do with their history or orgins.
>using them is an insult
>in itself
wrong again, faggot

I can believe they're nihilists. They're all this kind of nihilist:

They're probably just using the term inappropriately, yet it ends up being ironically, yet truly, appropriate.

…what a fucking waste of quads

With the word nigger as an insult, i somewhat agree, but in most cases faggot is used in speech as a generalized insult, not specifically to mean gay.

What? What Reddit forum did you slither from.

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Imageboards are a special place, where it's generally assumed you can say just about anything so long as it doesn't violate a board's topic and basic tenets therein. These aren't places where almost no conversations are taken seriously, and one's public identity is not linked to one's comments. Thus it's understandable that slurs and insults lose much of their weight in conversation, what little they truly have in the first place.

IRL it's a somewhat different matter. It's true that saying nigger doesn't actually do anything, and that in an ideal situation, all "offensive" words would be seen as impotent and meaningless as they are. But socialism is an internationalist emancipatory movement, and as such, casually saying "Oh shit nigger, what're you doing" is not something that will endear socialism to most people. Also, hard memeing offline is shameful and embarrassing.

Go back to reddit you niggerfaggot

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It's probably better to say that whether something is insulting depends on its context and audience. This is trivially true (as will be admitted in most contexts), but some people find it difficult to admit it when they wish to be sanctimonious about someone using naughty words. Pretending to righteousness and moral purity, even letting alone political purity, is a common pastime on certain parts of the left. Or what's called the left currently.

That's pretty obvious I'd think. I mean, I have a friend who could screech the most heinous shit into my ear for an hour straight, but I'd not take it to mean anything. But if some rando on the street just muttered "nigger" under his breath, I'd suspect him to be legitimately racist to one degree or another. I just think that a successful socialist movement should not partake in social customs that alienate so many people, regardless that in the end it's literally just dumb spooks.

Stellar contributions.

If you walk up to a gay man and call him a faggot, that's an insult. You're deliberately antagonizing him on the basis on his sexuality. You might think it's "ironic" but that's not how the guy you're conversing with is going to interpret it. It doesn't take much effort no to use slurs outside anonymous imageboards around people who might be rightfully offended by them.

I bet most of those who insist belligerently calling black people "nigger" is somehow warranted are the same people who cry like little bitches when some irrelevant SJW makes a joke about white people.

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because, just as trivially true but seemingly ignored, words dont mean anything at all but whatever the person who hears them happen to think they do. assigningg some transcendant absolute meaning to them based on etymology is pure magical idealist retardation, and assigning such an absolute meaning based on what the vast majority of people think them to mean is still just as bad. if "nigger" can mean "grape juice" in another language it can be something other than an insult to a black for being black in even a very slightly different social and cultural context. There no point at which the differences magically and all of a sudden are big enough that the context is "different enough".
Belligerantly screeching "faggot" or "nigger" at faggots and niggers is not insulting because of using the word in and of iteslf.
Using the word faggot is not deliberately antagonizing anyone on the basis of their sexuality unless you actually intended to antagonize them. Otherwise its just accidentially antagonizing them.
nice spooks faggot.

There's a difference in my mind between a tactical reason within a socialist organization or movement, and a moral reason to avoid saying certain things, whether words, phrases, or a certain subject. The latter is what I'm criticizing. The tactical reason for the left, however, is being turned into a moral reason, indirectly buying into the same false consciousness embedded in current social relations (that the word "nigger" itself is mystically evil, rather than the social system that both oppresses and gives that word its power).

A group can be rendered non-functional if certain subjects are impossible to discuss without offense, but there's no reason to avoid being socially prudent up to that point.

more on "nice spooks faggot" since I know you'd love to take that in the stupidest way possible.
you're twisting common norms its pragmatic to recognize in uncertain company into spooky moralizing over language.
and rationalizing that retarded moralizing with vague assumption about the context supposedly being discussed(so you can call someone an ashole for randomly shouting nigger to a black man on the street). assumptions which are unrealistic, of situation which are useless to bother discussing.
what does "public" mean? I dont have to really know anyone or be deep in private to tell what sort of attitude they have and what culture they're used to, to decently reliably know that I can go 'o shit nigger' or something. as if anyone on this board will be on a podium speaking to the revolution in the near future or some shit.

Reminder that in the USSR using ethnic slurs was a crime
Reminder that all the "muh free speech" idiots ITT would be shitposting from the gulag

Homosexuality was as well under Stalin, ☭TANKIE☭. Most gay people would rather suffer the occasional "faggot" than be thrown into a gulag for five years.

〜smelly, dumb ☭TANKIE☭ scum〜

When you're a nihilist you can bitch about literally anything and it's all equally valid because the bitching and moralizing is itself just as devoid of intrinsic value as anything else.
doesn't make them any less annoying cunts though.

I don't care about "morality". I'm not telling you how to behave. Go ahead and antagonize people for no good reason if you get a kick out of it, I ain't stopping you. What I'm saying is that you're a liability to any socialist movement with your retarded teenage outbursts.

shut the fuck up you nigger

Yeah, how dare gay or lesbians assume that you yelling "faggots" at them isn't actually meant to demean them on the basis of their sexuality? How are words real, ah ah? In fact, it is their responsibility to inquire about your true motivation for hurling slurs at them. What a bunch of snowflakes!

What a pathetic joke.

t. butthurt faggot
words can only hurt the mentally retarded

So Zizek is now on the same level as counter-revolutionaries and bourgeoisie resistors? Ok.

You're entire post is dedicated to asserting the social context being talked about to contrive that I'm being mean to people.
Its entirely an implication that you're morally above me and I'm an "asshole" by supposing the afformentioned unrealistic and fucking useless to contemplate or discuss circumstances, and associating that with any and all use of some word.
"you shouldnt say something if you're unsure whether or not it'll upset someone you're talking to, or else you might upsest them" is fucking trivial and doesnt get couched in this passsive aggresive 'look at me im so mature ur a teenager' superiority.

when did we start talking about running up to trans black lesbians and screaming 'FUCKING QUEER DYKE NIGGER FAGGOT" in their face?
oh, right, never. get a grip.

I'm totally with you on that.

His original point is essentially correct. For an easy example, someone with Tourette's who yells "faggot" isn't necessarily trying to antagonize anyone. A word is a complex function of both the meanings of a word as we understand them from prior usage and our mutual understanding of each other and the overall social context of the remark.

If I used the word "faggot" with even a gay friend, it wouldn't generally be regarded as me trying to insult them personally, nor would it be if he called me an asshole or piece of shit. If someone else did so randomly in either case, we might take offense at it and it may be intended to be insulting, although it isn't necessarily attempting to be offensive in certain cases. The remark may not have been directed properly and it's a case of mistaken identity, the person may have misjudged the relationship's closeness, or the person may lack their normal inhibitions due to drug use or something else, as in the Tourette's example.

You pretty much proved my point. I said in generalised conversation faggot really doesn't mean gay, usually. You're example was using the word against someone that's gay, which is obviously antagonising them based on sexuality. However, most of the time the word faggot is actually used, its used as a general insult against non gay people.

and the takeaway from that is exactly what

said.
when saying offensive things, setting your laptops wallpaper to goatse, or playing death grips loudly, it depends on your company just like everything else all the rest of the time.
You dont have to be with your closest friends only in a soundproofed bunker, either. Just be able to read the air and be familiar enough with the group you're in at the moment to tell what will get taken what way.

I should add an example. If you call someone that suffers with schizophrenia crazy, that's pretty fuckin rude. But if you call a friend crazy in gest, its just a general insult. It's pretty much the same deal with the word faggot.
i would argue the word nigger is somewhat different, as in language it isn't really used as a general insult at all, unlike words like faggot and cunt

Cunt is Aussie culture though.

Re-read my post, I have no problem with cunt. I'm a Brit, we use it alot too.

On imageboards, it can be a general insult. It often isn't even an insult of any kind outside of Zig Forums. It's similar to "faggot" and "fag" here in that regard.

Not an argument

If you're just joking around with your friends I assume none of them would report you to the secret police brainlet. Regardless, a forum where this kind of speech is tolerated would definitely be censored.

You're objectively right, these faggots can't handle you. These moralizers are undoubtedly what us wrong with society. Absolutely fail to into any sort of thinking, can't even argue morality.They can't help but twist your words into their own idea of language.

yes it's Zig Forums

Your basically calling for the removal of boards like this because of feelings, you do understand that.

I love the term 'stormnigger'

they have the right to say it 100% in my view, but people also have the right to kick their ass for it

hurr hurr alt-right btfo hurr
we need to stop with the fucking memes and start reading some books.

It makes you sound like a stupid teenager.

No book that tries to take away my enjoyment of calling WN netouyou rats who shit all over discsusions I was enjoying niggers is worth reading.
stupid, loud, obnoxious, uneducated hooligan niggers
its like pointing out nazis embody their mythical jew.

The soviet union aint infallible

"cunt" and "pussy" are neutral insults that can be used against anyone. It barely at all has the connotation of "woman". Similar to "dick". Not slurs.

I don't understand how people are still using some slurs, like "nigger". It's just called not being a racist not to yell "nigger" at a stranger. There's really no point in calling them that when you can use neutral insults.

I'm a gay man and I personally use "fag" to describe myself. It's weird when it's used as a catch-all insult though since it's supposed to mean "gay man". That annoys me more than getting called a fag myself.

Nigger isn't always used as a slur and fag doesn't always mean gay man

nigger≠nigga. Don't be stupid

nothing else needed to be said

Yes, but we can learn from the mistakes of the past.

How can you go around calling people slurs and getting away with it? You must either be pretty sheltered, or have nothing to lose, because IRL you get in trouble for it.
I recommend not overusing slurs online because it may cause you to blurt them out IRL when under pressure or under the influence. It's conditioning! Think of pewdiepie yelling nigger.
As for the pricks saying "it's all spooks, words are just sounds" I mean sure, go ahead and explain that to everyone you offend. If you're so de-spooked why do you even care about it? Just be nice, humour people and save yourself the embarrassment you pedantic fuck.

What exactly is wrong with loudly calling people a pork meatball?

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Lol

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Pen, meet sword.
You either admit that words are weapons and that some can be banned, or you realize that you can't stop people from saying certain words regardless of whether or not their on television.

Its like that kimmel skit where they asked people that if they HAD To choose, if they liked Obamacare or the Affordable Care Act better. Liberals liked Obamacare and Conservatives liked the Affordable Care Act. They're the same thing. Rhetoric shapes all our thoughts. wtf was OP talking about again? I think that saying I can say boob on TV but not tiddie is silly. "But think of the children!" Just don't let your fucking kids watch those shows. "But its all the shows!" The Market will take care of it.
Censorship is a dangerous form of control because you won't know its happening. Don't let it happen, even a little.

He's right. Once you draw a distinction in language you've otherized. It doesn't even need to be negative.
I love calling you faggots faggots too but you cannot deny that it dehumanizes. Or are you calling people faggots because they asked you to, or because its their name, or because they like it? Bite the bullet you fucking chumps.

Hey Zig Forums

I'll go with this one

Whether it feels dehumanizing to anyone depends on how it's understood. That's always based on the social environment in which the word is spoken, not the word itself. Speaking of it abstractly as "dehumanizing" glosses over what each individual understands the word to mean within a particular social context and set of relations. It also encourages the type of thinking that attempts to solidify a definite, single and transhistorical word meaning rather than engaging with how the word is used by different people and changes semantically over time. It's undialectical and ahistorical.

Slurs, like literally every other word, are context-sensitive. Calling someone a faggot in an environment where it is well-understood to be a common and neutral term, or even a positive thing, is different from saying that you hope that fucking faggot burns in hell for his sodomy out in the general public.

Slurs do not magically retain more meaning and power than other words when going from context to context.

free speech absolutism is gay (paul josef watsen etc.)
but there should be some basic arena where the people can shitpost
also like every market, free speech results into monopolies and cronyism by default, thats why academia are hostile to any true criticism of liberalism outside of critical theory/progressivism

Which is absolutely not true