This is so fucking cringey and sad. It's like a black man defending the police. Such uncle-tom ass selfhating slav-coons make sad.
Also judging by how many there are, it's safe to say that the united states really did win the cold war…
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Christopher Parker
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Easton Miller
they probably benefit from the new capitalist regime
for example there are homeless children that will suck your dick if you guve them a bag of glue to sniff
this is the kind of people that are anticommunists
Wyatt Lee
was that ever a question?
Xavier Jackson
THE TRUTH
IT BURNS
Noah Brooks
You are implying that the "hideouts" were all killed or that the USSR was an example of ideological purity.
White émigrés were always a thing, religion will always be a thing.
What I can agree with you is that the youth ( mostly influenced by the "American Global Culture" ) sees the USSR in a bad light and dismisses the nostalgic feeling that their grandparents/parents have as "brainwashed" , etc.
To say that they are self-hating is a bit too much. They simply hate the past not the parents or anyone that likes it.
Nathan Mitchell
Dominic Wilson
How did any kulaks survive throughout all those decades of Soviet utopia?
Julian Walker
Imagine my shock
Adrian Hughes
Why are you surprised, OP?
Adam Collins
There is a remarkably large amount of pro-Soviet sentiment in Russian public opinion under the circumstances, and it certainly is completely comfortable for any aspiring left-wing political group. Of course, there are other reasons why political advancement of Leftism cannot take place in Russia now.
Juan Miller
It definitely isn't. Don't confuse the oligarchs using Soviet nostalgia as a nationalist propaganda tool with acceptance of leftism. Movements like Left Front and labor unions regularly get fucked over and cracked down upon.
Ryan Richardson
It's like these retards fell for the "le mother russia" memes and didn't realize nationalism is retarded and that there was nothing inherently special about the russian people
Jack Carter
How does it contradict
I didn't say that the general situation is possible. I have wrote that >there are other reasons why political advancement of Leftism cannot take place in Russia now.
In that very post.
I say that the public opinion of the USSR and Soviet communism is completely comfortable.
Christopher Cox
this
Thomas Bennett
Incredibly sensible?
Camden Turner
How can he be sensible if he's dead?
Asher Gray
Colton Phillips
Blacks defending the one thing preventing an increase in black on black murder would be very sensible.
Jacob Jackson
They aren't killing each other for fun Zig Forums it is not some sort of racial essence. More policing will not solve any problems, it will just create more as cops will invariably get the department in more trouble as they pile up the bodies of "future murderers". How about overthrowing the very system that neccesitates poverty, hopelessness, anger, and drug abuse. Capitalism propagates those things, wealth is not made in a vacuum, porky demands his gibs. Successful people are merely lottery winners over other hard working talented folks. The cops exist to keep you going to wageslave every day and to protect the bourgeoisie's property that they can use to profit off of your existence. So effectively, if you believe in capitalism you believe people should be in debt at birth because they somehow "freely" chose existence and entered a contract by being born.
Brayden Richardson
You are severely mentally handicapped and should seek the aid of a professional.
Kayden Smith
I'm mentally handicapped because I want less black people to die? I think you're the one who should seek the aid of a professional.
Adam Ortiz
I see now.
The extreme minority of blacks killed by police actually means we need less police in high crime areas, not more.
We should overthrow the system that necessitates poverty, hopelessness, anger, and drug abuse; hereditary intelligence.
Blacks are not the ones demanding gibs, but the much loved looney tunes character, Porky Pig.
Success is a lottery. A lottery that, for some reason, only benefits whites, jews and asians, but not blacks. It benefits the smart and hardworking whites, jews and asians, but not the dumb and lazy blacks. It's still totally a lottery, though.
Cops exist to protect mine and everyone else's businesses, portfolios, and superannuation funds. That's very nice of them.
Supporters of capitalism believe that even babies must be in debt.
Grayson Perry
The first step is admitting that you have a problem.
Christian Edwards
Congrats on taking your first step.
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Blake Lee
Christopher Hill
Can you actually name any Russian communists? The communist cadres of the Russian empire were composed almost entirely of non-Slavic minorities. Russians rightly view communism as a foreign imposition.
Juan Long
The first communist government was majority Russian.
Eli Ramirez
Lenin clearly stated that the purpose of Bolshevism was to end Russian chauvinism and liberate the minorities of the Empire. Bolshevism was imposed on Russians by a coalition of Jews, Latvians and Caucasians.
Evan Jenkins
Stalin is the second most popular russian right after Putin. Russian people aren't exactly anti-communist, they just never got rid of their feudalism phase, they still want a good strong emperor to dominate their peasant ass. The bolsheviks didnt educate the masses enough before or even during the revolution, thats why it was so much more superficial in its nature than in Cuba where the revolutionary troops rose literacy and awareness about communism while fihting the army.
James Young
Mein Gott, ein Juden Verschwörung!
Landon Russell
First off, that image and stats are from right wing website. Second, Lenin never stated that as the purpose of Bolshevism. A consequence sure, though I see nothing wrong with liberating such minorities and Russia has always been made up of multiple ethnicities regardless. Your stats on Russians (which go against almost all other recorded ones) very closely match the population regardless as well.
Jonathan Butler
Not an argument.
Lenin's primary motivation was vengeance against Russians in the name of his Jewish, Mongol and Turk ancestors.
It certainly wasn't in the interests of Russians to do so.
The over-representation of alien minorities within the Bolshevik leadership is enough to delegitimize OP's suggestion that Bolshevism was an inherently Russian phenomenon.
Wyatt Sanchez
He didn't say that, but regardless, it's not a Jewish phenomenon either, no matter how many times you repeat that it is ad nauseas.
Isaac Miller
Its more a Jewish phenomenon than a phenomenon of any other population, not that there is anything wrong with that.
Jaxson Rivera
Lenin's father was Russian and his mother was German-Swedish and half-Jewish, making Lenin only a quarter-Jewish and not something he was aware of until late into his life. He would barely even qualify as a Misch under Nazi standards. Also, your going to have to show how his motivation was vengeance for a people he never knew or stood in the name of and how you can resolve him acting in "vengeance" with him objectively improving the lives of the Russian people.
I never implied it was inherent to anything, only that what you were implying (that Bolshevism was inherently anti-Russian) was incorrect.
Here we go again
Gabriel Phillips
He was Kalmyk (Mongol) and Chuvash (Turk)
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Lenin had no Russian ancestry.
Russian nationalists view Lenin as nothing more than an irate and vengeful colonial who sought to dismantle Russian civilization.
unz.com
The founder of Bolshevism was a non-Russian who hated Russians. Bolshevism fractured Russia, empowered the ethnic enemies of Russians, resulted in the deaths of millions of Russians, and eviscerated Russian culture and traditions. These points are consistent with the supposition that Bolshevism was inherently anti-Russian.
James Brooks
All of your posturing about the ethnic particularisms of the Russian Empire shows what you know. There were never colonial designations. The culture and etiquette of the Empire in its historicity were hardly those of the people, of which there existed innumerable subdivisions.
Cease your posturing, you don't know quarter fuck of what you're talking about
Jose Morris
Come on, this is getting silly now. Go back to Zig Forums already.
Adrian Reyes
I'm Russian so I know plenty.
Yes there were. Within the Russian Empire, ethnic Russians had preferential settlement rights in non-Russian territories. It was the policy of the Russian empire to Russify the elites of conquered tribes and marginalize or expel the rest.
There was a core Russian ethnicity, culture and Orthodox faith. Some populations managed to successfully Russify, others were expelled from the Russian Empire as unassailable aliens.
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Lincoln Walker
Congrats, I'm Russian, as well.
within a contiguous empire, rather than a segmented one. That was my point, not on the Imperial minutiae.
M. Tartuffe, are you familiar with the works of Gogol? Within even these contours, there were valent and non-valent distinctions. Do you remember who was killed in January 1905, what sparked in so many the revolutionary fervor - I can tell you it was not cultural impiety that shot down clergyman and orthodox mothers, for that was the Okhrana. Bolshevism was as much a product of the conditions of the Russian, as it was for the constituent republics.
Logan Taylor
You might make that claim for the liberal reformers who were overthrown by the Bolsheviks, but not for the foreign-funded minority-dominated Bolsheviks themselves.
Blake Reed
Are you going to spin the tale of the phantom cabal?
Brandon Long
Lenin is known to have been funded, protected and escorted into Russia by Hohenzollern intelligence. Bolshevik elites were disproportionately drawn from ethnic minorities, including the two leaders who ruled the Bolshevik state for its first four decades.
Caleb Williams
wtf I hate Ludendorff now
Ryder Wood
Russian Slav here:
Because we own our businesses now. Because we are self employed. Because job market lets you pick jobs. Because we get to choose our own hours. Because life is good with the market. Because we dont need to surrender our civil liberties.
lol you have internet you whiny bitch
Gravity oppresses us all as well. So why not riot against gravity as well? Gravity is oppressive, is it not?
Quality of life increased since we abandoned red tyranny.
Im a worker, welder, doesnt get any more stereotypical working class than that. But no one else is. Workers are single digit % of population.
Literally all of commie talking points are debunked in Russia, and life under capitalism is great. Only new rules are that, if any of us small business owners starts breaking into big business, we are not allowed to be political or we get assassinated. But still we have infinitely more civil liberties AND wealth than we had under godless red tyranny.
Free people arent equal. Equal people arent free. We now have inequality but every Russian child has opportunity. Every Russian child receives food and housing, and can merit a scholarship for university if grades are high enough. I got mine, dropped out of mechanical engineering because it was too hard, went into welding trade, and now I am working and preparing to try again and pay the rest of my exams with cash.
So yeah, commies not welcome. Good bye. We done need you. You are debunked.
We liked Soviet power, not politics. We liked world power status, not communism.
Gabriel Richardson
This has never been shown, though your claim about Mongols is moot given that a huge amount of Russians and others are, at least ancestry wise, part Mongol. Kind of hard not to be given the region.
If anything it's influence spread further
The people expressing their own culture and not that of the aristocracy is Russian culture.
Aaron Ross
nothing confounds first world leftists more than anti-communists from soviet states
Jason Parker
Ryder Green
welp, way to reduce geopolitics down to mere confluent incidence
Henry King
Communism is just another anti Russian, foreign invasive weapon. NATO of its day. And we dont need it. Equality is a false god, market economy increased our quality of life, life is fundamentally oppressive just like gravity is.
Russian people gave communism a mandate of 100 years and half of the fucking planet. It failed to deliver. Communism owes Russian people a debt, till its repaid all leftists and socialists can fuck off.
Ayden Myers
Wow, a pretentious reactionary. Should have known they wouldnt have killed you all - too bad, really
Tyler Young
Wew, a 100% legit post. Everyone is self-employed in the new Russia where the average Russian can only afford 2.5 pairs of shoes per year. Median wages in China are higher than they are in Russia, population is in decline and life-expectancy is still in the toilet. India's economy is now bigger than Russia's, Mexico will be soon, Italy has a larger economy too, and the state of Texas by itself has a larger GDP than capitalist Russia. Does it hurt yet "Ivan"?
And now you have neither. Run along now, adults are talking.
Alexander Ramirez
Very open minded of you.
You compare economies through consumer goods. Which is weirdly retarded for a commie. None of the countries you mentioned have second strike capacity, such as silent nuclear subs. Russia could also be much, muuuch much richer than Italy and India and Mexico, as an American vassal. But we refuse.
We lack consumer economy, because we spend our money on military affairs such as second strike and space capacity. Our small independent economy can not be compared to bigger vassal economies of the rest of the world. America could invade and destroy and plunder Italian, and Mexican, and Indian and whatever economy you said in your post. But it cant do it to Russian economy.
This is where Russia differs from others.
Oliver Flores
Oh, I'm not OP, I make no pretensions to wanting clarity. Not that you responded with intent to engage in honest polemics in the first place
Justin Ortiz
Honesty is on my side, and also on those pictures of Lenin statues being pulled. That is Russian honesty. All communist talking points are debunked. Can you convince me that this is not so?
We the people gave communists a mandate and whole century and half of the planet to do their thing. They failed. We withdraw our mandate now. Communism owes us a debt.
Capitalism raised our civil liberties, our economic opportunity, our quality of life in general.
Freedom beats equality and if we cant have both we choose freedom.
Jayden Powell
risible.
Brandon Cooper
That's not what Marxists mean by exploit
The birth rate is constantly decreasing, the life expectancy dropped, alcoholism is rampant, infant mortality increased, the economy and industrial production is still catching up from the losses, and rent is forcing multiple families to either live together or leave town. But yeah, now there is McDonalds.
Great life you have there, that the vast majority don't have anything and if you try to go against it you can get killed.
Neither
We don't believe people are equal
Now you have neither
Statue pulling that was funded by Soros and the west
Did none of these things
You traded the wealth of a nation for the profit of a few
Jordan King
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Look at all that freedom
Ryan Wright
I'm russia and everyone I know wants to burn all Karl Mark books and give Crimea to Ukraine
Chase Cook
How are these related?
Leo Harris
making fun of this retard
Sebastian Thompson
Ryder Perez
What a load of shit. Russian power in the world reached its apogee under Bolshevik rule. You savage mud farmers would be nothing if not for the immortal science of Marxism-Leninism.
Easton Martinez
wtf I love the Jewish controlled nkvd and the Jewish blood ritual execution of the csar and his entire family
based jews I love you! come back to boss us slavs around! I love Jewish Trotsky and Jewish marx and Jewish Lenin!
when Bibi is done he should come to Russia and teach us how to live! I love jews!
Ryan Powell
My sides.
Jason Garcia
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contrary to popular belief Blacks and Cops aren't allergic to each other or mortal enemies.
Historically Russians were religious, agrarian, hierarchical, non-egalitarian for majority of their identity, so communism can't be "who they are" like how a black-man is actually and always "black". For Russians it was just a bizarre phase tbh.
Brayden Wilson
he's probably thinking of the upper-tier bolsheviks, they were overrepresented by jews
Josiah Peterson
Easton Scott
OP didnt say such thing didnt happen, what he said is its sad and cringey.
Hey that name belongs to my thrashmetal band, do not steal!
Michael Mitchell
Actually incorrect, jews were over represented by like 3%, Baltic peeps and Caucasians were almost in the dougle digits.
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Juan Long
Ian Bailey
How many levels of irony are you on my dude?
Wyatt Ramirez
Aiden Parker
We know you love jews now, Zig Forums. no need to tell us.
Jaxson Allen
DEATH IS JUST A HEARTBEAT AWAY
Nathaniel Hill
Kirov, Bukharin, Kondratiev, Lunacharsky, Lenin, Kalinin, Voroshilov, Budyonny, Tukhachevsky, Brezhnev, Chernenko, Malenkov, Bulganin, Molotov, Zhdanov, Kuybyshev, the list goes on.
Anyway, Russians Jews are Russian regardless of what Tsarists say.
Without Bolshevism, Russia would no longer exist. It would be a Germanic version of the American West with Russians living an Indian style existence.
Pathetic Vlasovite fascists and fans of Denikin, Wrangel, Kornilov and the rest who delighted in slaughtering Russian and non-Russian workers would do well to remember that.
Gabriel Lopez
imagine thinking the tsar being executed was bad lmao
Justin Perez
And, more importantly, heavy industry. Yes, there is plenty of weapons production and the country can still churn out an awful lot of steel when it wants to, but non-military shipbuilding isn't doing so great, the machine tools industry barely exists, and when the ministry of defense built a computer using only domestic components for its internal use they ended up with something that an American store would have been ashamed to sell in 1998.
Elijah Lopez
Objectively false. Bolsheviks worked tirelessly to dismantle Russia, only wartime necessity forced Stalin to partially restore aspects of Russian civilization.
Samuel Harris
What did he mean by this?
Jason James
Jews are a very distinct population from Russians, with a highly divergent conception of their own self-interest.
Pure historical fiction. Hitler expressed his admiration for traditional Russian civilizational and viewed his invasion as an act of liberation.
Hudson Johnson
What the fuck is General Plan Ost then?
John Taylor
A postwar hoax, like the lolocaust.
Asher Reed
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Liam Myers
So what you’re saying, is that Germany after conquering the Soviet Union would have instigated, Mulitculturism?
Thomas Johnson
Read about the Great Purge. Stalin killed and purged all his rivals during the 30s. Most of the surviving Old Bolsheviks fell victim to this.
Almost all were true loyal gommies who literally dindu nuffin.
Camden Cook
jeez, i found the retard of the day apaprently
Kevin Reed
lmao
Mason Myers
Dominic Brooks
What isn't a hoax is the fact that millions of Russians enlisted and served side-by-side with Germans in the Wehrmacht in order to liberate their homeland from rule by a coalition of genocidally hostile minorities.
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John Cruz
I am familiar with the 'It was all justified' and 'it never happened' tendencies but what is the name of this novel 'it wasn't all Stalin's fault' narrative.
Gabriel Torres
sometimes I wish the Nazis won in the eastern front to prove you wrong, but i’d rather not have my father be worked to death for General Plan Ost to succeed in that timeline.
Colton Hughes
Convenient how these "conspiracies" seem to be rampant where ever the far-right reactionaries need deus-ex-machina to get out of the logical hole they have dug by talking out of their ass for too long.
Henry Bennett
god hitler was such a great fellow
Also:
there were collaborators everywhere
Meme, see pic
see collaborators
Landon Rivera
i guess a third of the population of Byelorussia just disappeared then :^)
Owen Kelly
lol it's fascinating the sort of people who believe these anti-soviet myths
The fact that Soviet figures married non-ethnic Russians proves utterly nothing, since the USSR was not a Russian ethnostate with no laws preventing intermarriage, unlike America and Germany at the same time. The Romanovs themselves were German-Danish in origin but that didn't stop them being Russian chauvinists. The large number of Germans in the Tsarist bureaucracy were also willing participants in Russian imperialism.
The number of fascist Russians who served as traitors in the ROA was in the thousands, whereas millions served in the Red Army, of all nationalities. Thankfully Great Russian chauvinist scum were unpopular among the masses, it was the bitter White exiles that provided the ideological and material backing for traitors. It's a shame so many of them escaped to fascist states like America and West Germany where they continued plying the trade rather than all meeting their end like Vlasov.
I'm sure he did, in the same way that Manifest Destiny liberated the Native Americans and the British Empire liberated Indians and Aboriginal Australians.
They're a part of the historical nations they reside in, not some foreign force driven by the Protocols of Zion.
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Nathan Smith
Anthony Stewart
Russia lost a lot of conventional power projection and even admits a significant nuclear gap today.
Hitler considered the Russian Empire as a product of its German aristocracy and Bolshevism as a Judeo-Slavic rebellion against the Germanic goodness.
Ukrainians are considered Russian according to imperial standards.
Cannon fodder. The Nazis also organized similar units from non-Russians, exploiting their anti-Russian sentiments as well as anti-communism.
Most are White Emigres which were never Soviet citizens. They're also sent to fight Chetniks & Polish nationalists which had nothing to do with communism.
Same as above. Its first commander Boris Shteifon was of Jewish ancestry.
Carson Thompson
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