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What did Xexizy (Muke) mean by this?
Luis Brooks
Jayden Hall
Lenin didn't come up with the stupidity that is Socialism in One Country, or the other hilarious things Stalin came up with.
But anyway, your point doesn't come from Stalin, it comes from your own retardation and inability to make an actual argument, so you write some snide mimicry-quote bullshit to justify your own stupidity. My point wasn't that schools are inherently hierarchical and therefore bad, but that schooling literally couldn't take any form but the Prussian model and its descendants, and reforming the institution to make it nicer won't stick. It would be comically easy to reform schooling with some simple things, if the goal was to educate the people just enough to be functional in order to spur economic and technological growth so that the rulers could have more stuff, even if the context of present-day capitalism or America's fucked-up state.
John Wright
You really want kids to be on the same intellectual standing as adults and for people to respect their shitty opinions? Nope. Children need to learn humility.
Hudson Garcia
Please learn to read.
Schools represent the literal definition of a justified hierarchy, something that even anarchists don't claim to be against. The educator in a school has earned the position to "discipline and punish" the uneducated, that's their job.
Jonathan Torres
MUKE GIVES CRITICAL SUPPORT FOR ——————BRAINLET GANG————————–
Aiden Russell
Wow, you are spectacularly illiterate and incapable of processing a thought without falling back to le ideological filter.
Again: The point of the argument is that schools literally couldn't take a form other than the shitty form they have taken today. If you think the problem is just capitalism, you really, really don't get it and probably can't. It's not as if people haven't tried to reform the system to be more equitable or efficient; every such reform is rolled back, or de-credentialed, or worked around. Even if those reforms would make capitalistic sense, they don't make sense for the self-perpetuating institution that is the school.
Oh look, fuckhead again.
So where are these schools that don't use a Prussian model or something similar? Are you putting forward a Chinese or Indian model as a serious alternative? Both are similar in the way classes are structured - they may differ slightly due to the conditions of their population, but as industrialization happens the schools of the developing world will inevitably look more like the schools of post-industrial America or Europe, even if they claim a separate lineage. There was certainly no way that schooling in the West wouldn't have taken the form that it did, at least in the long term; even if a supposedly progressive institution of schooling were implemented at first, it would have eventually decayed into the model we're familiar with today with its forced segregation of students being essential. It's just a defining characteristic of schooling.
Kids and the uneducated are not at the same intellectual standing as adults or the educated. That's not a matter of schooling or whatever the institution says, that is a matter of reality. If someone is scientifically wrong, they are wrong. Lysenko was wrong because he sucked at understanding biology and what was actually happening in nature, not because he didn't reflexively support the ruling idea of genetic heredity or Darwinism; nor was Darwin right because experts said he was right, but by the weight of empirical evidence and the logic of his theory. Kids and the uneducated wouldn't be able to present a credible theory, at least most of the time, so they are often ignored. If bodies of researchers need to filter information so that crackpots don't take over and that obvious nonsense discussion is ignored, it is understandable, but it still is a filter - and it is an imperfect filter, because wrong theories have propagated widely only to be eventually disproven by other academics. I don't know how you come to make your assertion, except that you're just reflexively spouting ideology.
If schooling was supposed to teach humility, it's done an abysmal job. I learned that teachers, administrators, parents, authorities of all stripes, routinely abused authority just for the sheer thrill of it, and that their actions were arbitrary and nonsensical. There was no humility to learn in that environment, only torture to suffer. I don't see a lot of humility among the general population today, but I do see a lot of serf-serving justifications for Amerilards doing Amerilard things.
Eli Long
So how do you recommend we avoid descending into a fucking dark age then, Negrillium?
Grayson Hernandez
You don't. You can pour all the money you like in schooling but you won't overcome the ideological pressure or resource pressure to consign the vast bulk of humanity to a life of squalor, and for a class of educated people (which is strangely going to be largely hereditary) to game the schools in their favor. The decision of what is to be done has already been made. I'm laughing that you're so proud of yourself for being a Beta, but it's unfortunately deadly serious.
Me, I intend to die childless and leave you good people to experience the ravages. The question no longer has much relevance to my happiness. Like I said, it is probably necessary to have some institution of schooling to preserve the present society, but schooling as an institution will inevitably trend towards what it is today no matter how much you try to reform it. We have a vast schooling system in the modern world and most people come out of schooling as failures, and we're going into a dark age anyway, so I don't understand why you think you're going to avert that. Maybe necessity will kick in and the death toll won't be TOO bad, if people get their act together and fight like hell, but you're all up against people who are fanatically committed to world population
Jaxon Thompson
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Please just kill yourself, you're a completely worthless person with literally nothing of value to contribute, by your own admission.
Jonathan Carter
Beta in the Brave New World sense. He's literally bragging about his own inferiority to the Alpha caste and pretending that he's not as arrogant as those mean Alphas.