Idpol

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Not all forms of anti-racism and feminism revolve around blackmail. FFS you certainly love false dichotomies.

I think so, when they're detached from a materialist analysis. They tend toward purely ideal functions of innocence and guilt, right and wrong, all based on contemporary social norms universalized as eternal moral truth, and desire redistribution as a form of retribution for the crimes identified, as if politics were an equity court. Politically, they're the ressentiment of the losing side in history, and such feelings destroy the left's presence as any real movement.

Which is why it's not just ending capitalism but building socialism, not identity politics

id pol is about the individual subject and their identity. Socialism is universalist in its revolutionary subject (i.e. the working class).

I would agree, but you have to be more specific when you say "material analysis." People's feelings DO have a material basis, even if that basis is just the arrogance and solipsism of late capitalism produces.

And let's be honest: how do you suggest "idealist" idpolers be dealt with, because all I ever see from this board on the topic is to throw them under the bus and denounce them as children. Of course their behaviors are childish, but the inability of "materialist" leftists to adequately deal with them is a major flaw. You don't just denounce someone and see them fly away; you have to feel people out.

Socialism by itself doesn't end racism and sexism. Russia and China today are both extremely patriarchal and racist places.

And what do you mean by "universalist?" This meme needs to end; "universalism" is to Zig Forums what "decolonize" is to SJWs.

Yeah you really don't know a lot about Russia with those words, nor do you understand the change socialism brought to it. Also You're forgetting the tiny, minor little detail that CURRENT RUSSIA =/= the USSR. Additionally I'll add that China today is very equal. Patriarchal idea are mostly rural in areas where the state cannot regulate or provide the best education still. In both cases, however, they are still miles ahead of Western capitalism.

I wouldn't disagree for the most part, but we shouldn't be carried away: while the feelings have a material basis, they're also partially formed and directed by ideology. Regardless, the analysis they're using isn't categorically materialist when they're searching for blame.

It's difficult to deal with someone who's suspicious of everything you might say due to one's identity's standpoint, as they see it. Denouncing as non-left serves the function of separation, at least, and may be optimal online where no one will change anyone's mind on the other side. In person, I've found questioning as if sympathetic to their ideology to be the best, although it depends on your ability to do it well.

So, how did 70 years of socialist progress get immediately set back in 20?

You're going to need a source for this.

No shit, but how do you rise above ideology? You're not giving any mechanisms.

But you MUST deal with them eventually if you're going to form a strong movement. Like it or not, idpolers are a huge part of the left. Denouncing them and calling them out for being "idealist" - even if true - will cause them to respond with a huge amount of hostility.

For ex: a lot of Stirnerites like to claim "communism is selfish." Is that not also true of idpol? If I want communism because I feel as if I am exploited, how is it any different if I want whitey to shut up because I *feel* colonized by whitey's speech? See what I mean?

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