I'm sorry if this is off-topic but can we have a comfy thread please where we all just sip on our drinks and talk about theory, current politics, post our favorite Soviet anti-alcohol propaganda, etc?
What are some famous Lefty alcoholics or leftists who drank but hid it or whatever. Is drinking and drinking culture itself inherently reactionary, revolutionary, or neutral and totally dependent on the material conditions of the rest of society?
Pic related is what I'm slogging down tonight
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Socialism doesn't work, but it's either that or Fascism. So that is why I am on the side of the socialists.
This is my country's (italy) most proletarian beer, the Peroni. Here in Rome there is even a group called Peroni e Socialismo which organizes events with ☭TANKIE☭ A E S T E T I C H S were everybody gets drunk and sings odes to Stalin in the night, even if sadly i've been told that the organizers are mostly succdems larping.
The other pic is me and my gf with the cheapest vodka of latin america, with only ingredients "water, alcohol". We drank it on 07/11 last year to celebrate the centenary of october's revolution.
I never thought about political implications of alcohol, i think it's such a rooted tradition in western culture that no economical structure is going to change it's function. I know that Gorbachev's proibitionism was a disaster, and i like drinking (maybe even a little bit too much), so i suppose i'm not against alcohol consumption, but it's possible that this is only cause were i live alcoholism is quite low, probably in the ex-USSR the situation was and still is quite different, people living there may consider it a problem much more than i do
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Why is there such a low interest in Communism or at least Leftism in Italy these days? Like, the reactionaries have made a huge comeback but you would think that, similar to France, England, the USA, and so on that there'd be a Leftist equivalent. There really doesn't seem to be one though it's just Lega, Five Star, and then whats left of the liberal parties, none of the Left wing parties have gained victories
The true drink of the proletarian is a pint of bitter: it's Marx approved.
Honestly I've been drinking a lot of beer this summer, three lions and all that.
What does this mean sorry for being brainlet
It's coming home comrade.
sorry m8 i just looked it up. am a burger and don't watch football at all
You called it football, you are forgiven user.
Honestly, if you don't drink Hennessy you're not a comrade.
Hennessy is up to over 80 dollars in my area not even for the big bottle, wtf are u talking about
Guy Debord for one. Honestly if you're a leftist and don't drink you're not pissed off enough.
I mean if you're in an org that is actually doing stuff for people or trying to organize events it can help to keep a clear mind but if you're a lone wolf yeah it really can be the only thing that makes this timeline bearable
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I'm in this thread and even I think you need help. Might be cheap as shit but damn is there a reason for it
Currently sipping some cheap-ass sambuca mixed with some crappy coffee to pretend I have a sense of taste
Idk if he counts as lefty in your book, but Ernest Hemingway was a journalist for the Republicans during the Spanish Civil War. Allegedly he threw a grenade at some nazis in a barn while he was supposed to be a neutral press agent.
Otherwise, another person who you might not count as lefty would be Socrates, who also may not have been an alcoholic. But anyways, apparently there are some writings that stated that he was impervious to alcohol - take that as you will. It's not unlikely he enjoyed a drink or two being in the social position he was, but idk if its too much of a stretch from there to full blown alcoholism
Both guys are comrades in my book, despite their shortcomings here and there
Immanuel Kant was a real pissant who was very rarely stable
Heidegger Heidegger was a boozy beggar who could drink you under the table
David Hume could out-consume Schopenhauer and Hegel
And Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as shloshed as Shlegel
There’s nothing Nietzsche couldn’t teach ya about the raising of the wrist
Socrates himself was permenantly pissed
John Stuart Mill if his own free will drank half a pint of shanty and was particularly ill
Plato they say could stick it away half a crate of whiskey everyday
Aristotle Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle
Hobbes was fond of his dram
And Rene Descartes was a drunken fart “I drink therefore I am”!
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We should write a version of this with leftist theorists.
but make it about tobacco
I thought Nietzsche never drank alcohol, or at least claimed never to do so. At the least, he was against it. iirc he said it made one complacent in their present state, rather than seek to investigate and change themselves and their worldly condition, or something along those lines.
Hennessy is extremely heavy on the stomach. The drunk is really sleepy and debilitating. The only worse drink I could think of is gin. Both take FOREVER to hit you as well.
HARAM
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When your liver fails, we won't give you a new one for free.
Steel Reserve is weird in that it initially tastes kinda good, but you eventually realize it's disgusting.
Never trust a man who doesn't drink.
it quite literally smells like farts after it warms up to room temperature
Why
Drinking beer socially is a cornerstone of society and should be encouraged with some moderation. Fermentation is one of the most beneficial things we've discovered & mastered in all of history, and not just fermentation that produces ethanol.
I brew beer as a side-gig and it's very satisfying work, despite the shit pay.
I'm not so fond of liquor however…
I developed a bit of an alcohol tolerance so it's harder to enjoy the feeling. I need to try whisky and absinthe some time so I can at least feel like an intellectual.
You can actually make whiskey out of beer.
I only smoke weed
Just dropping by to post this.
The problems are mainly three:
The first that what remained of the good old biggest communist party in Europe was blair-ized in the Democratic Party, and so a quite significant amount of formerly leftist old people until now voted it as an habit, even if nowadays it's almost fully neoliberal, cause everything to the left of it is perceived as a weak tentative and/or as a "gruppettari" autonomist thing, a.k.a. derived from the extra-parlamentarian near-terrorist left tradition, which was very conflictual with the Communist Party at the time.
The second is that autonomists are still quite strong, in particular in big cities, and squatted social centres are still very very frequented by people under 40 (grown with the communist party already dead so that they were all politically educated by the autonomists) and are almost hegemonic for everything regarding arts and cultural events, but they are disorganized by definition, so they have no political representation, are not united, and people in their political area often ends voting 5 star or not voting at all.
The third, and most important, problem is that the political space for a populist left, that as you said was occupied in France by Melenchon, in Spain by Podemos, in UK by Corbyn and so on, here was occupied by the 5-stars. Even if now their reactionary tendencies were revealed, at the beginning they seemed sort of leftist, like a mix between the Indignados movement and nordic Pirate Parties. Their main issues were direct democracy, public water, ecologism, hate for politicians (which were mainly represented at the time by Berlusconi), universal basic income, universal internet acces and so on. Actually, the most voted party by old Communist Party voters (with 35% of them) were the 5-stars. A lot of people, me included, thought that they were never going to make an alliance with the Lega.
Now that the 5-stars are revealing their inner fascism i hope most of their leftist voters will stop voting them (even if someone says that the voters will stick to it and become fascist too, but i hope this doesn't happen), and so does my party which is trying to take their voters in next elections: Potere al Popolo, a union of almost every movement and organization coming from the autonomist tradition not refusing contact with parlamentarian politics and party-like structures, some of the less useless remains of the old Communist Party, and a lot of smaller or territory-based organizations (Atheist Democracy, the Meridionalist party, Pirates' movement, no-TAV, protesters against U.S. military bases near their cities, and so on), with a very strong relationship with USB, a diffunded, fast-growing and pretty combative trade union.
pics related, i put in some /leftydrink/ meme not to derail too much xd
And Amrican calling it by it's correct name deserves all our recognition
who /cider/ here?
Yeah I’m also pretty sure swallows don’t carry coconuts and that nobody ever tried to base a religion around shoes and gourds. It’s Monty Python m8.
Honestly everything apart from Strongbow and some micro brewed ones is artificial garbage, at least where I’m from. People who drink Somersby will be the first victims of revolutionary terror.
Alcohol is counter-revolutionary.
Shit, larpers aside, the event sounds like fun, too bad I don't live anywhere near Rome and never get the chance to go there.
Anyway, well done comrade, nowadays me and my friends almost exclusively drink Peroni whenever we're not in a pub, strictly for ideological reasons ('cause let's face it, quality-wise, it's a cheap lager that doesn't completely taste like piss, but that's sadly all you can praise it for.). But still, there's something so inherently pleasing about a .66 Peroni bottle that I wouldn't trade for the best craft beer in the world.
Another friend of ours is still a Moretti-drinking liberal, but we're trying to convert him to the true revolutionary beverage.
I don't want to turn yellow and die in agony. Thanks.
But then how else do we end up with bottles to use as molotovs? Checkmate Atheist.
Coca-Cola
Why not buy something that can also be used to sterilize stuff?
Holy shit we probably met irl
is whiskey the most proletarian liquor?
Assuming you mean hard liquor, it depends on the country. In Ireland, Canada and the US I’d say so, although speaking from personal experience vodka would be a strong contender in Canada. In other countries it’s different though, like in the UK whiskey (scotch) is pretty bougie imo, while gin is the liquor of the people.
cheers from pittsburgh, burgervania comrades. i love you all.two questions,
1. should i look into debord
2. is it dumb to be posting/lurking this board without tor or some kind of VPN? if so I am already fucked but I thought I should ask.
1) yeah
2) as long as you don't post anything illegal it would be no different from posting in Zig Forums
alright then thanks.
what kind of bars/pubs does everyone drink in? I typically hang out in a smoking bar that is punk-but-not-that-punk which has shows. patrons are mostly socdems or liberals, with a sprinkling of both libertarian dipshits as well as then few quiet leftists (we need to band together). one time i mentioned standard leftist stuff and this liberal chick freaked out on me, so we debated awhile. which went nowhere, but the next day she came back and bought me a drink and said I did a pretty good job, and then we flirted for like 3 hours and then i made no move and went home. it was odd. also pittsburgh has a ton of racist old bootlicking fucks and I hate it. theres some cool people though.
I usually drink outside, not illegal to drink in public in my country.
But when I go to bars, it's usually either small shit basements or a few beerhouses where there's music ranging from local punk bands to Iron Maiden.
nice, we have to put our booze in paper bags if we are outside, but even then i think you can still be fined a few hundred bucks if youre too ballsy. but at least we can smoke in bars, which is illegal in most of the US. anyway, how are the bands? our punk/hardcore scene is either seemingly apolitical (aside from generic "fight the man" type shit) but I think there is an underground that I am simply missing out on. I play in a band too, but we are not very punk, more like stoner rock music. but we try to complain aboit capitalism in our lyrics as much as possible.
I drink alone at home because it's the only time I enjoy being alive
There's a few cool bars in my town. One of them is an underground (literally, its a basement) metal bar where a lot of local metal and punk bands play. They also have standup and a Street Fighter machine, and an old dude who hangs out there selling weed chocolates all the time. There's also a real old-school working class bar, always full of old guys in union hats and miners coming in from their shifts. The socdem party had their victory celebration there after they won a local election, and I went because several of my friends had volunteered for them and were going. Most of the other bars around here are a little on the bougie side imo, they're usually full of hipsters and have expensive food and drinks, but I still end up at some of them because the food is good and they have good bands playing. Everything else is a nightclub, which are utter cancer as far as I'm concerned.
Drinking alone at home can be a lot of fun tbh, I've gotten rekt and stayed up watching movies all night a few times. It's always a good time.
Oh sadly all those local punk bands are long gone
The music scene in my country shrunk quite a lot
I think it's finally safe to say that punk is dead, even here in this backwater shithole
Our Punk scene was here and there, some where lefty and others regular stick it to the man, as you put it.
But honestly, the local music these days is just generic metal. I'm into stoner rock too, went to not so known Stoner doom festival on a mountain in the middle of nowhere a few days ago and drank some 30year old brandy with a guy who I think was some sort of smuggler.
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I'm curious, i thought i already knew all my other imageboard-using friends
I hate burgerlands booze laws and having to have other people buy me liquor, though it's probably a good thing I don't stay permanently plastered at 20
who here /willdrinkanythingtheycangettheirhandson/
I'm very particular to vodka atm since even the cheap shit is easy to chug
Depends on how bored I am lmao. Recently I got a new job that pays relatively well, so I’ve been a lot more picky lately.
alcohol is an invention of the bourgeoisie to keep the proles in check. it eases the pain of daily living thus raising the allowance of one's exploitation
absolutely counter-revolutionary, I won't let them muddle my mind for a second
Eh, at least I can drink alone and maybe get a better beer.
Is working as a barback proletarian? Current gig and not loving it but could definitely be much worse.
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stop drinking and go to the gym you faggots
why no /sig/ threads on this shitty board?
I knew someone would take this literally, I meant "invention" as in idea for application to current times
sell a beer or vodka or whatever to a prole for their hard earned money and they'll believe that the life they're living is good because alcohol is basically perfect escapism. many drink BECAUSE they are poor and miserable and not the other way around as the state of being drunk is often the only way for people to have their life not be shit. alcohol literally dulls all revolutionary potential
Any advice to keep your job as an alcoholic prole?
I'm supposed to have an office job soon but I'm really scared of having really bad breath in front of my hierarchy, or sperging out if I have a few drinks more or less than my body is used to have to function normally. Or puking on my desk, idk.
I hesitate to go see a doctor and get a benzo prescription, but I'm afraid I will abuse it and end up drinking with them, which is the worst shit I could do. Being addicted to them seems to be cleaner for the body tho, you only get Alzheimer in the long-term instead of cirrhosis, gout or whatnot.
And don't worry, I won't operate heavy machinery, only computers, and I'm quite okay at churning out code tbh desu. It's just that I'm a partly flawed human and the neoliberal wageslavery system get too hung up on that shit to give me some significant help. I don't have time for rehab because right now I need to work if I don't want to die. I kinda want to die though
They weren't true alcoholics, but Marx and Engels liked to have a good time and party till dawn. Marx was admittedly the co-president of his university "tavern club", and Berlin, Paris and London were probably very good places to drink in the 19th century, so yeah, Marx is Fermentation Gang.
If I had a time machine, one of my first stops would probably be Berlin circa 1840, for the express purpose of tracking down Marx and partying with him.
Is Smirnoff nice Vodka lads? Haven't had any other than one time ( which was heavily mixed with coke, so I barely tasted it), want to guzzle down a flagon on the 17th to celebrate the Tsar Nicky getting dabbed on.
It’s normie tier, there’s better stuff out there but it will do the job.
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What might help is to read something by Edgar Schein, maybe Psychology of Organization. It just outlines results of many findings into psychology of organizations. His books were translated in Eastern Bloc as well.
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Offices are just places that people with no previous relationships are crammed into. Accepting the absurdity of the predicament, taking orders from superiors like you would from an army officers and keeping normal relationships with coworkers and colleaguess are survival methods in this neoliberal hell. Other people also have trouble with accepting this hellish predicament, yet they manage to get by somehow.
I hope you find your own survival methods. Cheers mate.
Thank you a lot. I will try to read some papers of the guy when I can slack off, and it will surely be helpful.
To ¬(You) though, I would still appreciate to get advice about not potentially smelling like death each time I open my mouth, and how to mitigate the shakes and shit like that.
Vodka is literally just ethyl alcohol and water. All that matters to taste is purity unless it's a flavoured vodka. Often it's not 100% pure so the source of fermentation has an influence. Not all vodka is made from potatoes. Smirnoff is made from corn for example.
Why do I do this to myself comrades? My ankles also hurt from me trying to walk more than ten miles home while drunk af the other day
Pizzaman was right about exactly one thing
Beer is what I drink.
Since i came back from work ive been drinking and arguing about politics with my mother all day
Then I told my father after a few more beers that Lenin was the best thing that happened to Russia (they are Russophilic serbs, which itself isn't bad, but they like the monarchies of both countries too much for stupid reasons)
Holy shit that sounds cringey, can you elaborate a little bit?
Also what r u drinking on comrade?
Been drinking beer for like 4hours now without stop
Nothing much to elaborate.
My parents, even thought they are actually people that think, normal working university educated people that see through bullshit, they fall for nationalist drivel from time to time.
They believe in those jew vs jew war that happened in WW1, and name it as the reason of the revolution happening in russia.
They name communism as the greatest evil that happened to this country and are ready to defend the king for escaping our country when the war started + all the other shit previous kings caused here.
So yeah it's all tiring
Sometimes t
Drinking this shit at four am. Last week I had a fucking 10% beer, a thing with the face of a viking on the can. It got to my head in five seconds. I'm a shitty drinker.
sad, bro