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I don't think sex workers are a good answer to the incel question. I also think that Inceldom is a symptom of hypersexualized society. If we stop valuing sex as the definitive commodity, then perma virgins will stop existing as a category

I also absolutely approve of you posting on this board and namefagging

stop talking about fucking incels like it's an existing social problem. They're just socially illiterate people who can't get laid, they're not a demographic or a phenomenom, just dudes who can't bloody talk to women. Literally stop.

Good, unironically prostitution in this country is 99% people who are trafficked or drug addicts, who are both owned by gangs.
Also this will fuck over a lot of tories since so many of them use rent-boys.

t.brainlet gynocentrist

Incels are men who don't have sex and s feel entitled to women. you're not an incel, if you're getting your fix from prostitutes. Right now, there's a lot of guys out there who don't identify as incels but who are still sexually frustrated and have had a hard time looking for a partner. They're not hot or wealthy enough to partake in hookup culture. Some are consciously or not MGTOW and don't want to involve themselves in relationships with women for various reasons but they also don't want to be celibate. These men are a bigger chunk of the population than incels and unless Corbyn goes full handmade tales, these men will pose a political and social problem

Also femitards and tswerfs are against the so called anachronistic bourgeois institution of marriage, and yet they don't like to admit that societies that reject the institution of marriage like Norway, tend to also have a high proportion of single men. By making prostituting illegal, a lot of these men won't have any legal avenues for sexual fulfillment. A swerfs ideal world would be even more depressing for men who don't measure up by women's increasingly unrealistic standards.

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The staliNEET strikes back yo talk about how females bang everyday while he has to stay virgin forever
Also no male can be gynocentric

Are you claiming ads affect only women dirty anglo

Unironically nationalize sex workers with a good union, banning buyers is dumb because their gonna buy it anyway, same shit with meth and drugs, attack the shit that puts people into these positions not the people themselves. ie welfare/social help rather then blanket banning meth and throwing people into prison for 20 years. We need less people in prison getting beat by pigs.
Women forced into these things are far better off with the act of giving and selling being entirely legal and would benefit from a sex workers union

When socialism hits then we can work on eliminating prostitution but under a capitalist government shitty banning of Marijuana and booze and likewise stuff is fucking stupid.

You're just that retarded Swedish troll posting under a new name, aren't you?

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Zig Forums:

No. Socialists cannot defend "sex work"

Socialists cannot defend "any work" under capitalism as anything more than exploitation.

lol, what is will to power. I bet I can brand your gf's asscheeks with a hammer and sickle and claim her as my own

"socially illiterate"

at least I'm not logically illiterate. and why don't you make me stop, you faggot?

SWEFs are fucking idiots.

Nordic Model didn't make violence against sex workers go down, in fact it increased violence since all the good Johns don't want to be arrested meaning only the bad/violent Johns who don't care about breaking the law stay around.

Violence against women in brothels has increased in both Sweden and Norway.

Most sex workers in those countries are leaving because they can't find any clients. That's the only reason why those models appear "successful".

Full legalization/normalization and destigmatization is the only way.

Kys fam. Sex work shouldn't exist

I dunno how much I agree with this correlation. Atlanta apparently has the biggest sex trafficking problem in the US that we know of, and it's a pretty hxc killjoy city compared to others around its size.

Twerfs don't even want to acknowledge how difficult it is for average guys to get laid, or how women have an advantage in dating, yet they want to ban all other alternatives men can use to release sexual tension. Even porn is off the table for these folks. I'd be for Twerfs if they tried to address the underlining problem of why so many men resort to porn and sex workers, but that's unlikely, since that would include telling women to lower their standards. Seems like Twerfs just want to control men through their sexuality.

That is absolutely revolting. No single working class girl dreams of becoming a prostitute, they all dream of becoming someone who makes world a better place or some gay shit like that. Dreams of becoming a teacher or a doctor. And instead they are told to spread legs for some pathetic scummy person who gets to exercise the bit of power that a certain amount can exert.

Incels do not consider buying sex what they want. Usually scummy petit-bourgs are the majority of Johns. My former classmate was dragged by his petit-bourg father into a brothel even when he was below legal age for buying sex, and had sex with a prostitute.

There are no good Johns, buying sex is about the power that money can get you. In this regard it is similar to rape, but just because monetary transaction is involved, it somehow is morally okay.

If incels chose the volcel way then they would be better off. Seriously though, women only want to sap and impurify your precious bodily fluids.

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explain to me why you should think the sex industry should exist.

That's unrealistic. I honestly think the lefty fags who keep pretending that going volcel is the solution for guys who lose in a post trad marriage/long-term monogamy world, where prostitution is criminalised, is either a woman who doesn't understand male sexuality or a soyboi with low libido. There's a reason expansionist militant patriarchal societies have a history of weaponising male sexual frustration among the ca nnon fodder classes. You can't contain that shit, as much as you'd want to in order to create your perfect Twerf world. Either Twerfs have to find a solution that doesn't involve celibacy for a large proportion of the male population, or you do what kings and despots have done for ages, and channel male sexual frustration to war and conquest of other societies.

This is retarded
If you cant live with out fucking
And you are that big of a looser that despite doing everything to become more attractive and still cant find a girl to fuck you
Then the state can only say kys
Like Lenin said
The one that does not work starves

It is called masturbation and many men just do it in their own private time for reasons that you outline. No need for a woman other than have her appear on a screen in form of image or a video. Usually masturbation is a temporary measure until they probably learn to love themselves or realize that they can be content alone and have some purpose in their life. Of course provided that socio-economic organization actually wants people to contribute towards common good instead of slaving to the accumulation of the capital.

Education in many ways, but mainly leftist theory, gave me a idea of better future where one can get a message where their contribution is wanted as such. Being reduced to an economic unit to make profit off of is so dehumanizing that people find other ways to feel like a person. Being human is about making and using tools to transform the world. When shackled by the capital into particular chanelling of these productive capabilities that is bound to generate profit, most of this potential is left idle.

Solution for these guys is to build houses, build machines, clean up the environmental damage, build infrastructure for the cities. In this work they also find social relationships they need in their lives. Volunteering is a starting step that only serves as a lesson on the limits of volunteering as such. Many women feel useless and worthless too. But they usually turn this inward and start off a vortex of negative self talk. And then just get on by with what capitalism offers them. Keep in mind that there is approximately the same number of men just as women. Average guys get laid with average women, somebody on a screencap said that it is just random plebs screwing each other.

Male sexuality is mostly about psychology and about keeping your epididymis not overpressurized. I have a dick and two hands, fapping is a remedy for feeling loneliness. When not lonely, there is no longer a compulsion to fap for me. (I'm 28 and a virgin without health problems). The only prostitutes that I ever encountered were on LCD screen in images and videos. And even then, their presence is not necessary, since other women like posing in front of a camera. And it maybe strokes their ego to be seen and known, and their beauty admired.

If you don't think that sexuality is about brains, get a silicone fuck doll. And see how it improves your situation.

Oh you are from pol, aren't you. Your ahistoric unmaterialist view of history shows.
Let me spell it out for you. It is the tools, not the genitals. What makes a gun? A lathe.

Shouldn't you feel angry at ruling class for cucking you? Shouldn't that anger drive you towards education on why that is? Or would you rather accept propaganda carefully crafted by right-wing think tanks, who pump out garbage that stops people from having revolutionary potential if they actually believe that. All wars were because of extraction of resources and economy, or governance over resources and economy. And this resulted in systematic genocide of poor people in wars. But in order to be able to make this statement, I had to subject myself to self-education.

The people who were rushed into the trenches of first World War were just regular people. Not a majority of young men incapable of getting laid. In fact the ruling classes realized that putting large amounts of people through hell of war only makes them more class conscious, revolutionary and dangerous to them. That is why in the west they developed better methods to brainwash the young recruits.

No, I have a mild disability or a degenerative diseas that is a turn off for most women. This isn't about me though. In egalitarian countries, you're seeing large cohort of men who stay single because the odds are stacked against them. The Norway study is just a trend among many egalitarian countries, as trad long term monogamy become less common among younger people. Also you can use the same line of reason to justify crapitalism, "why don't you just pull yourself by the bootstrap"?
"You can't be that much of a loser to not succeed in a system that disadvatages you"

Technically, your body is a means by which many things are produced.

So fuck a retarded girl

Also i dont think retarded people were drowning in pussy back in the day either
and relationships were mostly forced

I'm not Pol I'm.a brown guy . If egalitarian feminist swerf countries like Norway have a problem with single men who are unable to find partners to have children, because feminists gave tipped the balance against them, doesnt that disprove your little pseudo intellectual feminist rant?

He just said it shouldn't, he just single it out because he's not a moralfag and actually is a marxist. Singling out sex work as being "worse" than other forms of wage slavery is full on moralfaggotry and usually gynocentric as well, which is anti marxist as fuck. I bet you tswerftards want to ban hentai and amateur porn too even though those are not inherently tied to capitalist exploitation.

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It seems like it is mostly about you. But that is okay. As you compare your experience with others and form a broad view.

And as for relationships, if you have friends, good social life and meet women regularly and despite being a normal person otherwise, you get shot down for having a disability and a disease by them, then I am sorry and concede.

But if you do not bother asking women out or having an actual life in order to be able to start having a relationship with an actual woman, then please. get some help. No reason for anyone to give up on themselves. And if they do, then they need help.

Even you can make a positive impact on the world. Like programming open source software full time. You still have a brain and hands. But something obviously beneficial to humanity as whole is not encouraged since it is not profitable.

In fact most of paid programming is just making things work together. Designing new software is too interesting on its own and sometimes is not paid. Because many people actually like it. Here you see the effect of capitalism. Punish actually beneficial activity and reward boring unnecessary drudgery.

Those swerfs can keep their bourgeois liberal nonsense and kindly leave the rest of the humanity alone until they learn the ways of the immortal science of Marxism–Leninism and Dialectical Materialism. But then they will stop being swerfs, solving the issue.

Nope, I'm more than happy to fuck legal prostitutes. And I wouldn't want to burden anyone with my disease as it gets worse. I think you want it to be that way because it means you wouldn't have confront the reality that the world you want to build will alienate a lot of men. Feminists and swerfs wont have any real solutions to offer to these men. but hey, who gives a fuck about "loser" men. I

Pick one and only one.

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Itt: spooked moralists.

that person implied that it would exist under socialism.

Yet you don't give a fuck when the commodification of relationships/interactions effects young men negatively and go as far to openly mock their struggles.

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I'm that person, and I didn't. I do think it's better for prostitution to be permitted under capitalism than not, as forbidding it funnels more people into the criminal justice system and prison. Any such law's burden, whether in fines or jail time, will fall disproportionately on the poor. It wouldn't exist under socialism, though.

he just didn't single it out*

Yes, reactionaries deserve to be mocked.

Deal with it.

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I never understood this reasoning. Labour should not be commodified, but we still support wage labourers. Yet you use the same premise to come to the exact opposite conclusion: Sex should not be commodified, therefore we should not support sex workers.
The fact that sex work will be abolished under communism, just like all commodified relations, does not contradict supporting sex workers now. In fact, legalising or decriminalising it would make it easier to abolish it later, by turning it into an industry that can be controlled and regulated instead of confining it to the black market.

Fucking kill yourself, though at the very least it is better than the US/every hypocritical sex law on the face of the earth. Not to mention these laws inherently place the blame on women for not wanting to leave sex work once the "opportunity arises". Like what, it's worse than working your average wage slave job?

reuters.com/article/us-nordics-prostitution-idUSKBN0DE0RE20140428

This basically. The extremes of sex work exploitation obviously need to be curtailed (as do all other industries), but it is fundamentally exploitation like any other job.

These anons are right, unfortunately moralfags will never understand that

how about sex work co-ops?

wow I didn't realize how much Zig Forums loved sending the police after people oink oink motherfuckers

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Human traffickers are not sex workers.

Legalizing sex work now will almost certainly create a labor aristocracy of counterrevolutionary whores.

lol what
how would you stop scabs

lmao, if you believe in labor aristocracy then it describes the entire first world and we're fucked for another 100 years

How is mocking young men who are negatively impacted by sexual comodification? Is there something in your ideology that says dudes crying about not getting laid are reactionary.
Or are you just a spooked feminist that thinks ugly dudes getting laid is exploitative because of muh patriarchy.

Yes but they also need to fight the special relationship with the state women have. Ending that comparative advantage will get them laid way more than your veiled attempt to get them to buy your spooks that are self destructive to them.

Liberal feminist like you need to be stopped from spreading your spooks.

Fucking This!!
The sooner men get depooked and realize this the better.

Haha this! At best whores are rent seekers.

I'm all for criminalizing prostitution, but without imprisonment. Prostitutes should be fined and publicly shamed, so the risk outweighs the benefit. Male Johns should be publicly shamed and also flogged. There's no need to waste money on jail sentences.

Hahaha those poor women, being forced to accept hundreds sometimes thousands for a few minutes of work that allows them to escape the hours and days of wage labor prole men have to endure.

what a very bourgeoisie way to think

The psychological research being done in organizations and companies shows the priorities of workers. Their perception of their importance ranks really high, then the social relations in workplace.

That of course provided they have a living wage.

No reseach seems to indicate that they maximize the profit/time and minimize the time worked. Because all workers are presented with no alternative but 8 hour or 12 hour shifts. Or part time work. And they are actual people, not the economic units, profit maximizers that contemporary economists seem to think.

Source: Edgar H. Schein, Psychology of Organization, a great outline of the kind of research that went into investigating worker productivity in capitalism. His books were translated and published in eastern bloc countries.

In fact in everyday conversations, people have sort of crab mentality. Wage labour sucks, but see how people perceive jobless NEETs and people on benefits. In fact quite convenient to steer the anger of the working people against those who are even worse off and who do not cause them any damage, unlike the parasitic capitalists who extract their surplus, otherwise they would not make any profit.

An escort I knew got payed 7 grand a week, sometimes cash in hand{no tax} and shes planning on retiring when shes 30. She buys investment property nearly every 3 months and goes to week long holidays to Europe every few weeks. Shes not a druggy and seems pretty stable and smart. She doesnt think her job is exploitative at all, she sees this as a service to men who are either too busy to date and entertain some girl for weeks just to have sex or are too ugly/awkward. .Being a high end escort totally beats being a wagie working at some menial job thatll leave your body destroyed by the time your 40.

well that settles it….must be true.
I've worked with drug addicts who feel the same way about their habits, no matter how many health and work problems they face. Even when they look like zombies with scabs all over their faces and can't stop scratching their forearms and necks in public.

well that settles it…must be good for her and society.

Look, we all get exploited. it inevitable in a capitalist system, But I really dont see how being an escort is any way more exploitative than being a labourer or a miner. In fact, considering the fact that this girl is on her way to owning 15 investment properties by her mid 20s, and which are making her money as the interest is payed, means that she has a better future than most people and a chance to get out of the rat race and enjoy her life. Only Moralfags who think putting your penis in a vagina constitute a spiritual experience will think otherwise

I would rather my sisters or daughters work lowly "menial jobs" making a modest living, than selling their bodies to strangers, exposing themselves to, STDs, unwanted pregnancies, potential violence/druggings/rapes, and utterly ruining the value of sex and intimacy for themselves.
I doubt this high-class hooker will ever settle down and have a healthy family.
What kind of man would even want her, knowing her history, and what she is capable of doing for extra money? She might get ahead economically in the short-term but her mind and character will be fucked in the long run, and who knows what her insides are like.

She's selling her body to perverted men, in order to acquire fast money to buy rent-seeking land so she can go full hedonism mode when she's 30. And this seems like "winning" to self-proclaimed anti-capitalists? Awful.

And this is somehow worse than flipping burgers so fat American can stuff their face all the while getting shit pay, no gibsmedats, and being treated like shit all the time because?

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I live in Australia where escorts are legal, and where the industry is well regulated. STD checks are weekly and Security guards are always near, and theres hardly a chance of catching an STD when these women usually wear vaginal inverted condoms, and guys are forced to wear condoms. The problems you describe only occur in countries where prostitution is illegal. She made a choice, and i dont think she wants kids, but she has a partner. If you think women who have lots of sex with different men are damaged goods, good luck dating the average woman over the age of 25 then.

yes, hooking is worse than working fast food.

A woman who works in fast food will gain cooking experience, and with some effort she could advance to a better restaurant career making delicious dishes, and even to a managing position. Or she could acquire training in some other field part-time. Either way she learns good skills that benefit herself, her community and even her family if she ever has one.

Ya that sounds awful. Australia is a society in decay though, so not surprising.

To all the people ITT that say

t.naive soyboi

Women who "Hook" are everywhere if you can find them. As long as there are sexually frustrated men willing to spend money to get their fix, theres prostitutes. . Australia didnt fall for the moralfag arguments and logically legalised and regulated the industry so then, we wont have a situation like in so many parts of America and northern Europe where there are criminal networks of pimps selling, trafficking and drugging women for profit.

Literally nothing wrong with the moral fag argument. Also it's legal in Germany too and women are sti trafficked.

well I doubt itd be better if it was criminalized. I believe itll take the Matrix style VR sex simulator or hyper realistic sex robots to completely destroy the trade, which has existed since the dawn of man, and will continue exist in spite of polite societies thousand year attempt to destroy the trade. You either regulate it it or create the technology to make prostitution obsolete .

So are pedophiles and suicides and thieves and abortionists. Ubiquity doesn't justify actions.

so you can either be moral, or logical, can't be both?

prostitution should be illegal so as to deter men and women from engaging in it, it's not good for either sex, it's not good for families or society, despite how well it can pay. Commodifying sex lowers our consciousness and humanity, we see each other as means to an end. From this only more negative behaviors will follow.

Soviet union didn't have it same as China. Just kill a couple of users

I hope this isn't true. That model is absolutely moronic. Also being in the US I am well aware of the entrapment police love to do where they go undercover and anyone who talks to them and offers a ride or something is knocked to the ground and hauled off. It's so easy to abuse. Also it's completely useless because there is much more people buying sex than there are people selling themselves. Also this gives immunity to so called pimps which are the bourgs of the sex trade.

Those societies had completely different gender dynamics than the post sexual revolution west.
The Soviet Union had a shortage of men in relation to women which meant that most men who didn't die in war could enjoy dynamic dating lives. Chinese socialjdm still maintained the patriarchal trad as norms in dating .

Those societies had completely different gender dynamics than the post sexual revolution west.

The Soviet Union had a shortage of men in relation to women which meant that most men who didn't die in war could enjoy dynamic dating lives. Chinese socialjdm still maintained the patriarchal trad norms in dating . And they didn't just kill the users. When these societies had problems with men who couldn't marry or have functional dating lives, they tried to help these men , since these men tend to cause problems through idleness . In the liberal west, when you have a large cohort of men who don't succeed in a post sexual revolution trad monogamy dating world, people laugh at them and dismiss their issues. These men resort to prostitutes and porn. Takeaway those pacifiers and continue dismissing their issues, and you have a problem

swerfs are also against sex robots.

This pretty much demonstrates how spooked they are.

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You have it backward with the socialist approach. The general consensus was that work of everyone was wanted, so everyone could find a way to contribute towards building of socialism. The result was that nobody felt useless and alienated as capitalism is known to induce these feelings.
In fact the state encouraged young people to start families. So as a result, absolute majority of people had functioning family or dating lives.

This was never a primary motivation. The motivation is to uplift the mankind, aspire to higher goals of building socialism. Not inventing activities to keep young males engaged in those made up activities, just so they do not become idle and cause trouble. Such statement is idiotic.
Or something to be expected of a poster with EU flag who indicated his skin color and health condition.

Being left to be idle just because the neoliberal capitalism cannot squeeze profit out of you is a shitty fate. Or because one does not function well in the capitalist hell, needs anxiolytic medication to function in it and so on. NEETdom has various causes and various symptoms. Not a single one of them is as useless as they might perceive themselves, their self hatred is just a product of their circumstances. Should their work have been needed, and it was communicated to them somehow, many would choose it because idleness is mind numbing. Many say that imageboards and anime series have debilitating effects on them and they hate it.

Not having a girlfriend is last of their problems.

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Swerfs get the wall

Like poop, sweat, and factory machinery? Let's avoid category errors, please.

Rent implies ownership. You don't 'own' your body, you are your body. She(/he) mercantilizes one of her(/his) basic bodily functions of your chosing. Whether this transaction is legal or illegal, involves a third party (state, union, pimp) or not, is irrelevant.

The illegal underage prostitutes also turn into illegal adult ones when both are illegal. The only difference is that the police are sent after either the prostitutes or the johns (or both). It's odd how many on the left advocate for further criminalization while ignoring the inhumanity of the prison system they wish to expose those newly created criminals to.

Do you believe both underage prostitution and adult prostitution should be legal? Do you believe there is a fixed lump of prostitution that is just going to happen?

No, unless one believes in slippery slopes which, from experience, haven't been slippery. No country has done away with age of consent laws due to the legalization of prostitution.

Based on history, that would be a safe assumption, until people no longer need to sell their labor in order to live.

Hookers are the literal definition of lumpenproletariat. They pray on alienation of vulnerable men. Healthy relationships of any kind are reciprocal.
They're really no different than people who sell drugs to addicts.

Lol Swerfs got the state, so come at me punk.