In a marxist society, would everyone be paid the same? Also, what is the incentive of working in a communist society without profit? a
In a marxist society, would everyone be paid the same? Also...
Alexander King
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Caleb Green
If they work the same, yes.
Buying things…?
Nolan Foster
No I mean like would a doctor and plumber be paid the same
Also, I meant an incentive in a moneyless society
Sebastian Mitchell
There will be a basic standard of living that applies to every person no matter if they work or are disabled, but if a person wants any more than that basic standard of living, then working to earn more becomes necessary.
Ethan Collins
No. They might be "paid" around the same,and their labor will be fully rewarded, but since they are completely different jobs they will most certainly warrant different pay.
Like a nice car or a more comfortable bed? You'll have to work for it.
Colton Turner
No.
We can’t really speak about that imo, that’s the higher stage of communism and likely won’t be achieved without a major revolution in technology (such as full automation) or a radical evolution of human social behaviour. Our main concern at the moment is achieving the lower stage of communism, which most here refer to as socialism. Under socialism the state and money still exist, although money may take a radically different form such as labour vouchers.
Brody Johnson
Thank you all for your replies
Jaxon Collins
No. Some argue (mostly people who are into Paul Cockshott's work) that everyone should get the same compensation (preferably "labour vouchers" instead of a money wage) per hour of labour.
In actually existing socialist countries, people recieved wages based on to the quantity and quality of their work, similar to the capitalist countries. The crucial difference being that there were no longer a class of people who lived off of profits from exploited labour. Also there was a pretty considerable "social wage" (free healthcare, free education, public transportation, subsidised housing, etc).
Jeremiah Ross
In a marxist society, who's "everyone", and who decides who "everyone" gets paid? Who decides what the value of "everyones" work is in relation to "everyone" else?
Carson Rogers
No
Paying for leisure products and activity.
Ian Hernandez
The only incentive of working for any State is to afford you ignorant means to the subjugation of your sovereignty, or afford you a means of the States subjugation.
Blake Morgan
Probably the universe that demands people do a certain amount of work to survive or be destroyed.
Jaxson Moore
They would be paid the same hourly rate, (1 labor token/hour), but not the same, since a doctor must always be on call, or may be doing research, or something else, their hours will be much greater than that of a janitor, who perhaps only has to work 4 hours every day.
Xavier Powell
If you want a non-meme, full explanation, watch this:
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Camden Turner
Why do you work? If you answer 'because I need money' then why do you need money?
In my opinion, people would work because they want to do that job. People may want to become teachers because they want to teach people, people would become farmers because they enjoy rural life, people might become chefs because they like to cook, people would become cleaners because they like to tidy things. You might want to be a security guard because you like staying up late. Some people may just want to follow in their parents footsteps, my dad was a meatworker and for a long time I wanted to do that job (I don't anymore). Also, my mum wants to open a business, not because she wants money but because she wants to have fun with it. If anything capitalism makes us sacrifice our dream jobs in favour of a high paying one that's potentially shitty (my dad only worked at the abs to put food on the table, but I wanted to do his job because I looked up to him).
Just a point about socialist realism, the reason that style came about was to make people take pride in their jobs. People may have seen those and thought "Huh, I want to be a metal worker now, it looks nice".
Lucas Edwards
Yes
Do wage labourers get paid more if there is more profit? You work for income. Thats it.
Adam Bennett
it's not about wages as much as it is about whether or not food, health care, housing etc is provided or cheap. Under Capitalism you work 40+ hours a week for what? So you can pay your landlord, the bank, the grocery store, your insurance, etc etc etc. Under Communism you work not for profit but to keep the country rolling, presumably you'd have the infrastructure to make housing, food and health care a given right so you wouldn't need to worry about those expenses.
Bentley Jones
Benjamin Green
the opressive division of labor wont exist under communism, so that no meaningless tasks that don't require training will be turned into profesions, there will be no people that just sweep the floor all day, rather that task will be done communally by the people whose floor needs sweeping, and that includes things like plumbing, in the particular case plumbing will probably be integrated into the community, so that people themselves are the ones that do such tasks, as what trained profesions wil be paid, they will be paid per value created, and the value of things is the average amount of time it takes society to manufacture them, as i said before every job will require training of a probably high amount, then i think this is fair. At least this is how i read marx anyway
Chase Martin
Nobody would be "paid" in a marxist society.
You would work, because you want to, and as an unrelated note, you would be provided for by a government.
Jason Lee
Read Cockshott. And COTGP
Josiah Adams
Plumbing is nothing like sweeping the floor, plumbing requires skills and knowledges.