What does Zig Forums think of the EFF? I’ve heard they are anti-capitalism, anti-imperialism, militant, Marxist-Leninist and draw inspiration from Thomas Sankara in some ways. They seem pretty based, especially in calling for the expropriation of land without compensation, but they seem to me from a cursory glance a bit idpol’d against whites when it comes to the racial problem. Is this just a side-effect to the nature of wealth / land distribution in SA? I’d imagine most wealthy South African capitalists would be white despite being ~9% of the population effonline.org/constitution
In other news Ramphosa has announced plans to amend the constitution to allow land expropriation without compensation. Get ready for a fresh wave of Zig Forums tantrums and “save muh boer, anuddah shoah” posts
How idpol are they? Just a somewhat negative attitude to whites or full on black nationalists?
Matthew Adams
They are definitely more pro-black when it comes to the racial issue (some select tweets related) but I wouldn’t call them an deeply triggering and problematic movement or anything. Here are the only two mentions of race in their manifesto:
What is concerning in this second quote is what exactly is the meaning of “the race/class struggle”
Tbh I really don't care about communism in countries like South Africa or Zimbabwe. I don't mix with post colonial theory and I'm unable to express myself. In a certain sense black supremacy and such maybe not out of nowhere but Ethno nationalism or supremacy , even if mild, is deeply retarded. Africa (with a couple of expection) seems really unable to deal with stuff without throwing in nativism and kill withey stuff. Fuck this shit, I can't defend race supremacy.
Joseph Ross
That’s Fanon’s thought showing, he basically argued that in colonial countries race and class lines aligned so closely that they were basically inseparable. Also that segregation created another layer between settler and colonial societies, which needed to be broken down first before the move towards class struggle could begin. While that was no doubt true when he wrote it, it is clearly not true in modern South Africa where there are plenty of black landowners and porkies.
Nicholas Martinez
And there are plenty of whites who live in slums.
Joshua Stewart
This makes perfect sense, I may have to read up on Fanon a little
Brandon Scott
No it's not, it's fucking retarded. It doesn't work like this anymore
Jackson Long
I think it’s probably quite a bit outdated. Most settlers in the countries he talks about (Algeria, Rhodesia, etc) have left, and in the countries with large settler populations class now cuts across racial lines far more dramatically than it did in 1961 when Fanon wrote “The Wretched of the Earth”.
Christian Gutierrez
Proofs? It sounds sensible to me that in post-colonial / colonial countries that class would have more of a racial dynamic to it with the (former) colonizers being disproportionately represented in the capitalist class and blacks being the overwhelming majority of proles. This doesn’t mean “kill whitey”. Maybe the situation has changed after the end of colonialism though, I have read the work the other user was talking about yet, that was just a first impression
Nathaniel Anderson
That’s not what Fanon says. He says that colonial society is comparmentalized, with the settlers on one side and the natives on the other, where class is explicitly organized along racial lines. He essentially says that white proles in such a society are higher on the social ladder than black porkies, which to a large extent was true, especially when things like apartheid were still in place. That’s a whole other ball game than just saying that proles are disproportionately black. His solution is to break down this compartmentalization to the point where the class structure of colonial countries more closely resembles those of developed countries, so then regular class struggle can begin.
Elijah Cox
According to their website they want to nationalize all land, regardless of the race of the landowner. But the fact of the matter is that 80% of land in SA is held by whites, even though whites are less than 10% of the population. It's like in Cuba; there were non-white landowners (including Batista himself), but the large majority of land was in white hands (which is why the average Miami Cuban is much paler than the average person in Havana today).
It's "workers of the world", not "workers of the white countries" brainlet.
Hunter Martin
Where did I say that I care about white only countries?
Caleb Martinez
I am pretty sure they are black nationalists IE ethno-nationalists IE reactionairies/asserists.
Also their "official" position on not being racist genocidal cunts does not match their talking points and rally cries I have seen so far. The fact that the banner in your picture specifically targets a racial group rather than class should tell you enough about their actual sentiments.
Caleb Perry
Economic Freedom Fighters sounds like a bunch of fatburger libertarians larping as a militia.
Matthew Johnson
Hot take. What the fuck does a 1930s German class collaborationist have to do with a modern African ML party?
Brandon Nguyen
Ah yes you are not allowed to draw parralels. I guess americans cannot be nazis either because they are not germans from the 1930's. Its a comparison. Racial supremacy based, quasi-left wing but mostly just reactionary, not real leftists.
Cameron Hernandez
We need to bring the Anglos back just so we can genocide the Dutch.
Do you have evidence to support you claim? Because I've read their manifesto and they seem to be a revolutionary (with reformist tendencies) communist party, there are also white people in their ranks, and they have specifially stressed they want a socialist SA for all people independently on their race, sex, religion…..
There is literally nothing in common with the EFF and Str.asser. If you had read any of Str.asser’s work or had looked at the EFF manifesto you’d know this. Shall we draw some real comparisons? Otto Asser advocated for class collaboration (or as he said “neither the dictatorship of money nor the dictatorship of the proletariat” while the EFF advocates for (per section 3.): Hmm…those are completely different. There’s nothing to compare at all
As an addendum, the EFF denounces racism (more dubious but they say it in their manifesto), tribalism, sexism and imperialism and hatred against religion. While Str.asser was more anti-imperialist than Lebensraum-grabbing Hitler, Str.asser advocated for a Christian Europe, said nearly nothing on sexism and was racist by modern standards. The only similarity might be on race and even that is tenuous at best. Don’t make comparisons on things you know nothing about
Jordan Powell
So following the two pieces of evidence I showed to prove that the leadership is in fact racist as fuck, I can say the following: I do not give a fuck about what people claim to believe in. Similarly to how I dont think the chinese government is communist, I do not believe these people want socialist for all, they want to harm whites. And "leftists" who blame and target ethnicities as their enemies are not leftists in my book, they are reactionaries, they are hardly different from nazis.
Good thing that isn’t happening then. Keep embarrassing yourself and siding with reactionary elements
Charles Gonzalez
He was just saying that this guy Is advocating for it. Also "sins of the father" is reactionary bullshit that will lead you in Zig Forums tier antisemitism in no time
Lol fuck all that boer ass kissing liberal hand wringing. Settlers have been given an option to peacefully leave occupied land, if they don’t then they can expect to be forcibly expelled. Literally what is wrong with this lmao, it happened to the Prussian aristocracy in their landed estates in GDR, it happened to the Gusanos in Cuba and it happened to the Kulaks in Soviet Union. Only person who would ever be sympathising with the boers or attacking the EFF for being a racist party is a closet white nationalist racist piece of shit and no comrade of mine. That the boers are Dutch is of no consequence, that the piednoirs were French is of no consequence, a settler is a settler.
You’re acting like if the Palestinians were to forcefully expel the Israelis this wouldn’t be supported by the global left?
The kulaks were not settlers, the gusanos were not settlers, they were not forced out of the country, neither were the aristocracy in the DDR.
By your logic we should also expell all americans from the US and canada, half the population of south america, all the immigrants in europe, all of australia and most people of new zealand.
