/leftybritpol/ - No deal edition

Some literature to make you laugh (at least it made me laugh).

In response to people being happy that a blairite cunt is thinking about resigning from the party:

"I hope you realise it's because of people like you that Labour is dying. It used to be a wonderful tolerant party. But now it's full of the likes of you."

"A successful political party needs to appeal to many to secure victory.
The attitude displayed by some isn’t likely to appeal to the additional voters needed to secure a parliamentary majority.
It’s not just a left problem - it’s most political statements and comments - what ever happened to tolerance and respect ?"

" Whether you agree with this article or not I’m afraid some of the comments make the authors point for her - someone saying ‘bye- and take all your centrist friends with you’ - how exactly does that help build a broadly based party that can win - or maybe winning doesn’t matter to the idealogues of the hard left."

I used to find this shit funny but now its just depressing. Never read comments on BBC/newspaper articles or twitter any more you realise how fucking dumb people are. Luckily I never see people like this in the real world, Everyone I know is Socialist or centre-left liberal, some of which I am slowly radicalising so I dont have to deal with this shit. I wish they would just join the lib-dems

I hate how Blairites associate themselves with the people needed to win a parliamentary majority.
Even the comfortable think-they're-middle-class-actually-quite-rich suburbanites that Blairism should nominally be targeting think the Blairites are a bunch of lizard people freaks unfit to so much as guard a carton of eggs.

Labour does have a problem to solve in how it can maintain desirable politics while packaging them in a way that the "new labour" voting constituency can swallow*, which is definitely an achievable task. (And while the ideal group to do so is "Right" of the Cobyn project, it would be "Right social democracy" rather than "Centre Neoliberalism". This doesn't really map well onto a political compass. It's like looking at the left and right of the CPSU… The answer is not "in the middle") It's not going to achieve that task while the people occupying that ground are reptilian 90s nostalgists who'd only be welcome around a dinner table if they were the main course at a feast hosted by the bedouins.

*If you're optimistic enough, rich kids will vote Corbyn because OHHHHHHH JEREMY CORBYNNNN and offset their parents voting for the subject of a styx song.

I don't think you want the bair neoliberal voters. You want the UKIP, SNP, CYMRU voters. And some idiots that voted Tory because pussy idpol in labor.

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I think realistic Labour should be aiming for the working class vote that they lost, especially in the towns. Its not really a question of having to gain votes though since the Torys are falling apart the issue is staying alive through the media onslaught as well as attacks from within the party.

Unirronicaly most students from rich family's who would normally be voting libdem/tory will vote Labour because no girl would sleep with someone who didn't vote Labour

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I keep seeing stuff about this on Twitter. I just think it's funny how eager people are to spread this crap, neglecting that Corbyn was the only major pro-Brexit guy who outlined it economically instead of with big ads featuring brown hordes. Not even getting into how ridiculous those accusations being levied at Corbyn look in light of the situation in America right now or the murderous actions of the Blairites.

Already in evidence. FYI if you still support Corbyn you're being offensive to Jews.

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I mean, you want as many voters as you can get, but it's better to win every seat in the country with a majority of 1 than win 260 with majorities of 15,000. Some of them might abandon you after 5 years, but that's a 5 year head start on keeping everyone else on-side with all the extra avenues being in power opens up to you. (i.e. "look at what we've achieved" / "don't let them wreck it" rather than "here's what we'll do, trust us!") That and governing with a small majority is rarely fun, especially when you've got openly treacherous MPs who oppose everything the party stands for.

It's not an either-or decision though, to be fair. Get rid of Blairite lizards in working class constituencies and get some actual working class MPs in, people who are socially similar to their constituents. It's the same basic idea. You want people who're comfortable around the people they're trying to get to elect them. Part of the irony could be that winning a lot of "Blairite" constituencies would actually reduce the power of Blairites in the PLP, so long as the MP returned wasn't a Blairite. They don't have to be to win a "Blairite" constituency. They just have to be one of them, or at least comfortable around them, the well-to-do suburbanites, the old liberal voters. That's the very important thing: It's presentation, it's personality, it's a tone of voice, it's not policy. (Though it might affect the name of some policies.)

Stalin was RADSEN

You've gotta ask serious questions about any young person who'd think of voting Tory tbh. Lib-Dems I can take on good faith, probably a perfectly nice person deep down, just not cut out for politics, but Tory? God, I take it back, lock me up with the lizard people before showing me that guy.

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when corbyn is unelectable but also it's legitimate to be afraid of how you'd be treated if he was elected

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Really beautiful visual metaphor on that pic, the viewing angle and the angle of the arrow makes it look like the SDP drives you straight off a cliff.

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Young people still remember the whole Uni-fees thing the Lib-dems pulled. I know some people who wouldnt vote for them now but in 10years are prime Lib-dem voting material: well off, like to think they care about the world, don't want poor people to suffer too much but don't want to have to give up any money/power to make their lives better, Europhile ect. Some people I know vote green if their Labour councillor is shit

Imagine actually thinking this. I can never tell if people actually believe this or just say it to score political points

Legitimately haven't met a single person under the age of 25 that votes tory who isn't a screaming cunt (the one proviso is that my mates support their local MP for the fucking memes, and even then 1) he is a pure wet 2) they might have actually voted lib dem and still just meme). But yeah. On the otherhand, the number of Labour supporters who Lenin would have expelled from the RCP(b) I meet of the same age triggers me slightly. I have gotten to the point where I don't tell people I am a member, because I don't want to be associated with them.

Ok, so they think he's anti-Semitic because he liked a mural that some interpreted the men in the picture in control to be Jewish?

I saw the mural in question. Where are the Jews, exactly? Seems more like political commentary on the richest people on Earth, not any one ethnicity.

Is this just typical fanfare or is it insidious in intent because Corbyn is so sympathetic to workers?

Nah the guy that made it said they were meant to be jewish bankers, he is also buddies with David fucking Icke (old meme for yer there lads). Still, no one remembers that, this is all over Press TV statements and the IHRA now.

I remember my conspiracy days watching Icke videos (420 blaze it, rofl).

Ok, so Corbyn didn't realize just like I didn't realize just now because why should we, really, yet he's being pinned as a racist. Typical attacks; I guess.

Only the SDP have the confidence to accelerate the contradictions of capitalism at full velocity. Neither Labour reformism nor Tory reaction can stop the Radsens.
After all, it's only radical common sense.
Like tweeting minions memes. twitter.com/TheSDPUK/status/1025843304653570048
you really have to love the continuing SDP. Their website is like 75% unintentional parody of what centrists think they are, and 10% labour-left policy and 15% pick'n'mix populism. But then, this is a party that started after deciding that the first continuing SDP coming behind the monster raving loony party in a byelection wasn't enough of a reason to wind up and go home.
The continuing Liberals are also quite fun - and they've actually got 9 councillors reliably clinging on.
liberal.org.uk/
adorns every page, and I get the impression they're mildly left of the SDP, albeit less anti-Europe.

What the fuck was this? What part sheltered suburb did you come from to type that?

Wet is a term for a tory who was opposed ideologically to Thatcher but did nothing about it.

I thought the continuation liberals were more towards libertarians (oh there is a libertarian party too, their members openly post clkmate change denial stuff).

Nah, they actually have some pretty good polices I seem to remember. One being an increase in inheritance tax to fund give everyone £10000 or something when they turn 21. (pretty good here means pretty good for a capitalist centre left policy )

Heh. Oh and to finish off our tour of meme centrist parties that weren't founded due to the referendum: the Young People's Party, which despite the name is nothing to do with yoof activism but instead is the UK's only openly Georgist political party.
Btw Socdem poster, are you a Labour member? Never seen you say one way or tother.

Oh I thought it was a slang alternative to "moist".

Interesting expose of one of the leaders of the 'anti-semitism' smear campaign
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What a bastard.

My sides.

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You mean Halder, right?

AHAHAHAHAHA HOLY FUCK THAT'S HILARIOUS THOSE DELUSIONAL RETARDS OMG I CAN'T…

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Only true political compass

What is SDP?
More Left then Labor?

Which SDP?

The one you guys keep talking about ITT?

No not more left than labour, they split from Labour because Labour was "too left wing" and eventually merged with the Liberals to form the Lib-dems

Oh no, they are to the right modern Labour but they are left of the blairites.

An intentional decision since the whole purge thing, (god that was years ago now) you never know where Blairite Gang are watching

1981-1988 SDP: Right wing Labour SocDems who split because bennite DemSocs were getting too powerful, too anti-EEC and perhaps too idealistic. Entered into a pact with the Liberal party to create the SDP-Liberal Alliance, then merged to form the Democrats in 1988. They then changed name to Liberal Democrats. They got like 25% of the vote to Labour's 27% in 1983, but were confirmed as the third party forever in 1987.
1988-1990 SDP: Dr. David Owen, one of the leading members of the original SDP didn't want to merge with the Lib-Dems so left to create his own party with a GP's surgery and nurses. They had almost no grassroots support and the media ignored them so when the Bootle by-election happened in 1990 they came behind a joke party and were so embarrassed they gave up and shut down.
1990-Now SDP: Decided the above defeat wasn't enough of a reason to quit, kept going. A novelty party that only has two town councillors. Generally of the "centre left" but it means as much as trying to pin down the positions of a friendship-group (It has 40 members apparently.) rather than a real electoral option.

LOCK HIM UP

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So charges have been dropped against Hodge. And you know what, McDonnell has been pushing for this. I think I know why. I made the prediction Corbyn was going to stand down. I am wrong. I know what is going on: the NEC on the 4th of September will vote on Mandatory reselection. It is so obvious. McDonnell tries to keep the boat steady because of the MPs are kicked out by their own members they look like idiots. Some of this shit is actually starting to make sense.

In sha Allah habibi

I doubt Corbyn will stand down since there is no one who can take his place. McDonnell has so much baggage still and couldn't win an election without Corbyn bringing in more non-voters into politics. I also doubt full on mandatory reselection will happen but I think what will is that allow people to vote on deselection there MP online where as before it had to be done in meetings. This will mean students/workers who dont have time for party meetings will be able to vote

Good lad

Why has there been no new polling?
This last week has felt like a century what with day after day new accusations that Labour will round up the Jews and march them into the gas chambers if they get into government.
I somehow feel like this is actually cutting through in a way that all the previous smear campaigns haven't. Maybe I'm wrong, I hope I'm wrong, but I can imagine this just not going away at all.
Honestly It's very depressing, every fucking day there's some new story about how racist Jeremy Corbyn is and he has to apologise then they say his apologies aren't enough. If you repeat a lie often enough and with enough conviction people start to believe you. I honestly feel like the right wing of the Labour party and the right wing press have finally discovered a weapon that works against Corbyn and just intend to keep attacking him in an endless war of attrition until the next general election at least.

They've literally spent 3 days straight moaning about fucking antisemitism on BBC radio.

This is desperation now - like how can there be so much fear for some lukewarm socdem.

There is no Communist super power waving nukes, so they don't feel the need to play nice.

The trouble is that Corbyn has no effective response. No matter how many articles he writes condeming anti-Semitism it doesn't change anything and he still looks bad. I hope you're right, and that most people will recognise it as a desperate smear, but I'm starting to worry that it's working. I guess we'll see when more polling comes out.

It's not.

youtube.com/watch?v=G6mHsR4GfdU

I think most working class people don't give a single fuck about "antisemitism", like it's so apparent that the narrative is forced. All you get are the same types of people (wealthy zionists) claiming shit without a lick of evidence.

Notice how they're extremely reticent to say WHY he's antisemitic - they're trying to make it a given.

The most ironic quote to use in this moment is "If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it".

There has been no new polling because it's the summer, no one wants polling in the middle of the summer.

I think this is the big one. I remember something distinctly from the last election where my mother, who is well educated and watches the news, didn't know shit about anything about Corbyn and the IRA. Think about that, from the period of 2015-2017 how much shit there was about him being Pro-IRA and how much that did NOT cut through. Fuck I was at my grandparents this weekend, I saw them watching one of these news reports. They're Scots, they vote SNP: even my grandpa said "The tories bash him for dragging his feet on anti-semitism, while they drag their feet on islamophobia: it's a joke". I know this is anecdotal, but my grandpa is a retired teacher who isn't even a Labour supporter and lives in an area Labour has no chance of winning. If he is seeing through this shit so easily then it will be the same elsewhere.
This tbh. Like there are actually leftwing jews who give a legitimate damn about anti-semitism, say like David Schneider, and every time he goes on a specific instance. He isn't trying to topple Corbyn, he just gives a damn. And the more I see of him, the more I think that he is getting pissed off with a load of the jewish community for repeating shit because he gets that it weakens the legitimate fight against anti-semitism in our society (I mean lads, we've all seen polacks, we know about anti-semitism and how it works online better than most people).

This is actually really nice to see, thanks.
In other news, [pic related].>>2607932

Forgot the pic.

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When Nazis are on the streets support your local antifa

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Yank? Since when have they been the exporters of antifa

So if this Recent wave of attacks fail to cause Corbyn to falter and the Tories continue to sodomize themselves with Rusty Nails all the way up till the general what is the chances a Gang of Four Deux Arises to 50 / 50 the labor vote like 1983?

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The latest poll twitter.com/britainelects/status/1026772623156543488 has no change

Im pretty sure they keep saying this, I doubt they will if Labour are smart the first thing they should do is change the law so if you permanently leave the party you were elected for then you have to stand for by-election. These fuckers would all loose their seats and it would be fun to watch.

I say pretty fucking high. There are reports of 12 Labour MPs who are consistently plotting to remove Corbyn: including Kinnock Jr., Umunna, Phillips and their cadre. As Stephen bush has quite aply put it "They ignored, they laughed, they fought and they lost", and now they have no means to get rid of him. So if you cannot stand a leader, and you can't coup him out, and you can't force him to resign, what can you do? The only option left is to split. These people don't have the discipline of the hard left to wait patiently for their time to strike, they have a pathological urge for power and when they lose it they just cannot handle it. As such, their only choice that fits with their mentality is to split. Now any such split will also cause a split from the tories: the Remain MPs there know they are likely to be deselected by their own LCAs and they will not stand for a no deal so there's that. As such I say 20-30 MPs will be in a centrist grouping, that's enough to shake things up.
As for how it will affect polling, I say it will knock off about 10-12pts off the tories (those being the voters who went lib dem in 2010, tory in 2015) and about 4-8pts off Labour (being the blairite voters that didn't already go but who have no party loyalty [yes labour loyalist blairites exist, like John Rentoul], irony being lib dem → Lab voters actually sticking because they are more leftwing than blairites). Will that be enough to ensure a Labour government? I don't know, Scotland is a big factor in all of this and nobody can predict that. Also the South of England is set to go on an anti-tory backlash, although we have no idea how that will look. Stay tuned for more details.

I mostly refer you to above tbh, the blairites don't have the patience to wait-out Corbyn nor do they have the ability to remove him. They can either split or suffer.
Also tbf, that poll is not with the most recent stuff, however it makes the point.

Yeah I know the poll is from the start of this wave of anti-Semitism smears but it goes to show a)no one gives a shit b)The only people who will take this in are people who would never vote Labour anyway.
I wouldn't be sure about not being deselected I wouldn't be surprised if a load do. It doesn't really matter what the CLP think it will be down to how well momentum can organised members to go to the meetings to organised a deselection. Only time will tell what sort of fucked up mess this will end in

Tommy for PM!

No

Sure got the most energy in the UK alongside Nige.

The "left" "hero" folds each time they are accused of "anti-semitism".

Who the fuck wants Tom Watson as PM?

Wait you think Nigel Evans has charisma? What are you on?

yank begone

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Are you a joke?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Corbyn and his circle have rebuked this smear multiple times
the only "leftists" who "Apologize for corbyns vile actions on Labors behalf" are Blairites

Nigel "Most Irrelevant Politician In The History Of The United Kingdom" Farage sure has hell is an extremely charismatic bloke.

Wow calm down boy.

I know Corbyn is gonna fold but let's not dismiss Nige and Tommy here.

Tommy survived 23 days in solitary being buttfucked by muslim, I don't think your boi is gonna survive that.

YANK DETECTED, REMOVAL PROCEDURES INITIATED

he was in a borderline luxury cell, he probably barely had any sort of human interraction in the prison. Just fuck off.

Except he isnt
Stopped being Relevant after 2016
Literally just a E-Celeb with no Political Impact whatsoever
This Statement is Contradictory

It was in a low security prison under special protecting and cried the whole time because he didnt have a TV

I know we're notorious for it but c'mon guys that one was far too easy.

I think Breivik is under a luxury cell, but Tommy?

Nah, he looks like shit, but maybe the pain will make him fitter.

Let's just wait for the news, shall we?

arguing with people this idiotic makes me feel a,lot smarter than I actually am, and I love it.

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What News?
Every source ive seen has more or less shown that Corbyn and McDonnell are more or less unmoved by this shit much the first 100 times this was attempted

Dude, I think you should argue more, yeah.

Corbyn folding and you searching for a bunch more excuses on how he gotta do it to keep his position.

Well that hasnt happened yet and past experience makes it quite unlikely to

Like that time when he doesn't apologize for anti-semitism lol

Pointing out that his policy position towards Israel isnt Antisemitism and denouncing actual Anti-Semites and Anti-Semitism (Which is what he did)
Is not the same as folding to the right
a fold to the Right would be to embrace the Ideologically Blind Pro-Israel Stance of the Blairites And/or Tories

Fucking kek: McDonnell is calling for the reestablishment of the Anti-Nazi League, the absolute madman.

Sometimes a Wish the Dark One had won the power struggle of 1990 within the tories and then pulled a Brezhnev and just stayed in power forever
just so i could see the UK turned into a 1920s Germany tier Hellscape destroyed by Thatcherism

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it actually baffles me that a McDonnel is allowed to operate within the realms of mainstream democracy.

He has gotten out Mao's little red book and quoted from it in the house of Commons. There has been an interview were the interviewing tried to scare him by bringing up that he said in the past that he vowed to destroy capitalism and he just said he still stood by that. He is a top lad

Unironically if she had won the challenges, Kinnock would have been Prime Minister in 1992, and good lord that would have been a disaster. At-least the blairites were open with their adoption of her ideals, Kinnock was trying to walk the rope between neoliberalism and oldschool social democracy.

Tbh, the ANL was actually and SWP front, and knowing the history of the SWP I imagine some bad shit went on in it…

Well apparently he is quite a personally popular figure with a lot of people, because he is quite gentleman-like. I've heard stories about even the most mouth-frothing of papers speaking to him and them getting along perfectly well. He also goes to tea with City bankers who he explicitly wants to put out of work and they get along perfectly well. He is perhaps one of the weirdest figures in the entirety of british politics.

t. The S*n / Rightist E-Celebs / Twitter Europhiles etc

I think you mean the Spectator tbh, but honestly McDonnell shifting things from a conflict between the far-right and us means that if you are not with the Corbyn project you are with the far right. It is good praxis IMO.
Also hotdamn the ANL was big, it had a festival with The Clash playing that got 100k people. Name an org that could do that today.

minecon

How the fuck do all these Proles who vote for the tories solely cuz Muh Brexit say that shit with a straight face at this point?
They Realize the Tory deal basically makes the UK a Economic Vassal of the Continent anyhow right?

Could they get The Clash though, could they really?

Tbh at this point they aren't, next election I expect them to hemorrhage to either UKIP or Labour. The tories have for the last year or so been constantly attacking one half of their voters: europhile free market liberals, and eurosceptic interventionist authoritarians.