Opinion of /gcf/?

the notion of 'female spaces' is also reactionary.

Is this supposed to be some sort of strawman of trans beliefs? Take this shit back to Reddit. >>>/r/GenderCritical

So women having sensitive places such as domestic violence shelters and bathrooms reactionary?

Nah. We already have our own 8ch board >>>/gcf/

what did xe mean by this?

Pretty much this, tbh. Speaking as someone who's walked both sides of the fence, TERFs are just uneducated and spooked individuals with an axe to grind.

That isn't what you imply by using "female space". To me, and I'd reckon most others, that reads as "females' role in society", which is reactionary as all hell.

And honestly, I'd imagine even a sensitive, effeminate gay man would be embraced by a woman's shelter. The people who run and visit those places care about helping people over anything.

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I didn't say that men shouldn't have a domestic violence shelter. I just believe men and women in a rape/DV shelter should be separate. Also, Gender ==/== Sex.

Why though? Why can't male and female victims of domestic violence be housed in the same facility?

There are plenty of stories about a TIM entering women's spaces. Not necessarily DV shelters but bathrooms. If that doesn't explain it, I don't know what will.

that actually doesn't explain.. anything?
we're forced to conclude you have no arguments.

It explains itself. If you were a woman (If you're not one user. You may be a woman), would you allow a dude in a wig who claims to be female despite not having a vagina and having a penis into a space designed for battered women?

I mean, yes? They're obviously going through a difficult time in their life, why not help them?

I agree. That's the entire point of keeping them separate. The facility does not necessarily have to exclusively cater men or women but it should have them in separate rooms.

Why? You still fail to explain this.

iirc I mentioned it in the /gcf/ debate thread.

8ch.net/gcf/res/25.html

Nobody reads your shitty board. At least quote your posts or GTFO.

Who the fuck cares? It's a fucking bathroom IMO we should stop having gender specific bathrooms entirely. It's stupid.

If they're battered themselves I'll allow them in there without the wig. Why do everything twice?

Yeah. Get everyone their own bedroom. If this can't be done, preferably put people of the same gender together. With that I can agree.

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What's up with threads like this these days?
Why is trash like this everyday on the front page??

How about you make an argument for once?
No one here is going to fall for your particularly cancerous brand of idpol, especially since its only objective is punching down and attacking a group which faces even more discrimination and prejudice then most women.
Feminism-but-even-more-exclusionary isn't going to sell on the universalist left.

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I know we’re anti-idpol here, but we also shouldn’t accept this fucking wannabe TERF trash here, just admit you’re basically NatBol and fuck off

You are seriously fucking retarded man.
It's Nazbol not Natbol.
It's already the second time I correct you.
Also I don't see the link between TERF and Nazbol

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can you tell me EXACTLY why transwomen in need of help who have undergone extensive transitioning deserve to be exposed to these predatory men?

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Nazbol is a retarded ideology.

Gender and sex are completely different.

the ironic thing about 'gender-critical' feminism is that it isn't actually critical of gender, as we on the left tend to be, but rather is critical of the notion of distinguishing gender from sex. They are literally indistinguishable from reactionary 'traditionalists', with the same shoddy prescriptivism and love of the status quo.

Then why is trans peoples distress based on their sex characteristics??

MEN WILL RAPE YOU IF YOU LET THEM NEAR YOU thread no. 24236

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Read the thread. Personally, I'm gettin' a real kick out of it.

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I want to clear this point up before the level of discussion here becomes absolutely terrible and it only comprises the most hopelessly-stupid go-to positions which are un-materialist as hell. Gender is REAL. It is an intersubjective social institution and a species of roles which are related to the division of labour, historically-originating from the sexed division of labour, particularly that of birthing and raising new human beings. Because it is intersubjective, for all we humans can ever care, IT EXISTS - not as something which, as we presently meet it in this moment of history, originates from outside of human praxis, but something WITHIN it. It is not reducible to biological sex or even the gender binary, but it also is not simply some idea which we've plucked out of arbitrariness. It is possible for people to be born with one sex but pursue the gender role which is expected of another (or in most cases today, the other) sex.

In fact, I will go a step further. Yes, of course gender is a spook since we know that it is possible to construct a society where the distinctions involved are simply not necessary (and in some ways this is already becoming the case, since it is becoming easier to pick-and-choose in an unplanned and ill-critiqued fashion which is facilitated by by consumerism within markets (which is NOT a Communist consumerism)). However, spooks - in other words, pieces of ideology - do not simply cease being useful; they merely fail to be useful in all known cases. We need not do away with the empiricism surrounding the natural sciences to be able to explain Darwinian evolution, for example - here, the ghost can be useful for helping to provide explanations for evolution, but it is SOLELY a stepping-stone which does not wear the crown of being representative of all practical truths according to our highest and most complex systems of knowledge (it is known to be scientific ideology at its best). Marxism will eventually become a spook, and the moment of its passage into the realm of the ghosts is the moment when we must start considering whether or not we should lock it in a cage as a piece of IDEOLOGY. And Communist morality is also ideology at the level of religion, since it is merely an interchangeable body of doctrines which are used as easy-to-understand rules of thumb. The spooks exist for us to use them and shelve them away when necessary, and they often if not always constitute and build real social relations - THIS is materialism.

I don’t even think you replied to me yet, and either way we both know I mean National Bolshevik, either is acceptable, it’s just a fucking shortening of the term.
I make the link because TERF is socially reactionary as fuck, and when you’re economically left, but socially reactionary, it’s fair to compare you to a National Bolshevik.

Gender Critical Feminism? Socially reactionary for pointing out human biology 101? For thinking that being an effeminate guy or a masculine girl is ok and doesn't make you any less of a man/woman?

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Do you guys just have one meme infographic or what?

nobody said that and it's not a sex change, it's a fix for dysphoria, and it's not rationalized down to one single determinator that is the superstructure and perception of genders
feminists are right wingers

Sweetheart, you don't understand. I don't want to be an effeminate guy, I want to be a girl.

It's fun to argue with you gals, though. Reminds me of when I used to get a rise out of the weekly incel threads.

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kek

Basically sums up Gender-Critical Feminism in a nutshell.

Now I am a more moderate in the gender-critical sphere. I think that MTTs that have had a proper sex change are women. Only *on* that condition can you considered a woman in my eyes. No sex change? Not a woman. There is a somewhat decent youtiber called tranime girl on twitter who, while not GC herself iirc is sympathetic to our cause which are unfortunately few and far between.

You do realize I am male right? Gender Critical guys do exist user.

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That meme is disingenuous as fuck. If you think people are fine just the way they are, why does the way they identify matter? What is it to you? If a boy wants to pretend to be a girl, then you simply entertain their fantasy. We all like imagining we're things we aren't. Normally we're polite enough to go along with it. What is it about this particular circumstance that upsets you?

Oh shit this is going to get Freudian, isn't it?

I believe that person called themselves trans.

Trans people don't actually exist.
Transexuality is a CIA psyop.

oh hi Zig Forums

But why are you so concerned about other people's genitals? It's not like you'll ever fuck 'em, so what's the point?

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There are literally no transexuals in my country and technically speaking transition is totally free.
Explain this then.
I've never meet one (just drag queens and cross dressers) yet somehow it's obligatory to discuss them in leftist circles?

what country?

Clearly I was wrong to conflate the two then. Oops.

Because no woman has a penis. That's the whole point of a sex change, isn't it?

(me)

Again, what is it to you? You won't interact with the genitals of any women either. So what difference does it make what's going on in their pants? Can't you allow people to present themselves the way they like?

Go ahead. Doesn't mean I should have to go along just like ifnyou said you were Xenu. There's a guy named Hope Lye who I believe sets a good example of GNC men who wish to wear dresses but are not proper transsexuals like Tranime Girl and Ellie De Love.

You didn't answer my question, but whatever.

My pastor warned me about people like you. People who'd insist your shirt was blue even if you'd worn pink that day. If that's the criterion you wish to judge women by, then by all means, go ahead. But you should also remember that an ever-expanding number of people would either actively contest that, or simply don't care.

Me, I happen to travel between camps. As other comrades have said, the concept gender is a spook, and the denizens of the international worker's state ought to be free to express themselves however they'd like.

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You are correct that forcing people into the binary is harmful to their well-being and plenty of trans people would much rather be somewhere in the middle rather than doing the full change, but the thing I don't get is that you get mad at people who are currently suffering under the binary for doing what makes them feel better.
The comparison I make is this - labor unions are useful under capitalism, because they are necessary to allow workers a voice and the ability to protect themselves against worsening conditions. However, they are imperfect and under socialism or communism they will not only not be necessary, but continuing that specific mindset would be harmful to the state of society. So imagine a commie who tells unions to shut down because 'under communism, this will be a bad thing'. Seems a little silly, right?

Italy.
40k transexuals, 24k are south americans, 6k are asians the rest is Italian. In this country cross dresser and drags are considered trans and the ones that went through operation is so little that it can't be even classified. There are 60m people in italy.
ansa.it/web/notizie/rubriche/cronaca/2010/06/05/visualizza_new.html_1819711343.html

I'm a brainlet when it comes to math, but considering this and the fact that most of these are sex slaves (and sometimes forced into transitioning or just so fucked up that they become mad) and that we don't know how many of these are mtf or ftm, why should I even waste time on discussing this shit? I'm pretty sure that there is more possibility of winning the lottery than encountering one.

As I've said ad nauseam, there's nothing wrong with being a man in a dress. Doesn't make you a woman or some magical third sex. There's a reason most GC feminists respect Hope Lye for him being at least upfront with who he is.

So, like, what do you lose by considering "the man in a dress" a girl? Insofar, all the arguments you've presented have been predicated on women's apparent discomfort around transgender people, which bespeaks profound lack of experience with the opposite sex.

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this shit is a literal burgeroni first worlder non-issue
here i am working construction in belgrade, serbia for 10 euros a day, lifting concrete support beams, 10 hours a day, 70 hours a week
tell me more how oppressed you are, my lower spine is failing and i have no health or retirement or injury or ANY safety net, i am not even registered as a worker anywhere, if i get injured i wont be able to pay rent and simply die homeless

give me a sledge hammer and a room full of these freaks and i assure you i will solve all of their problems permanently

how revolutionary, comrade
semi-polite sage for not really on topic

What would you have to go along with? You'd have to change which pronouns you are using, and say Misses instead of Mister. That's probably it. You won't do that much?
How does the comparison with someone pretending they're an intergalactic warlord make any sense? A much closer analogy would be someone changing their name.

Since at least one of you donkey-fucking swines CANNOT let go of your fucking reductionisms, I AM GOING TO HAVE TO FUCKING SHOUT THIS AT YOU. You are scum of scum, you are FUCKING CHILDREN who make the same fucking mistakes which the incel brigades do. YOU FUCKING DEPRAVED SHITS.

You could've merely READ MY FUCKING POST (though I did not specifically have you in mind) instead of being a pussy, o MonoRubric, but you don't seem to be able to fucking UNDERSTAND the gaping mistakes that you are making. This is what passes for philosophy and praxis these days and it is honestly quite sickening.

Do you know what gender is? Do you know what the fucking point of it is? If you want to play a game of semantics and terminology-switching, you can fuck off BECAUSE I HAVE DEFINED MY TERMS IN SOME DETAIL. This little SHIT over here still seems to want to reduce gender to sex, or more accurately, the sexes which we humans are born with. And what is the line of argument here? It is that there will always be some sorts of real actions and social function which a male-born human will NEVER be able to do and carry out at a given moment which a female-born human CAN, and that sex is INHERENT AND ESSENTIAL to us humans, as is gender.

Do you see the problem here? This is merely APOLOGISM for the 'natural and immutable' division of labour, which reaffirms a form of SLAVERY as being something which it would be severely unwise to disturb across all possible historical epochs. Even if it can be argued that we do not presently have the technology, it DOES NOT mean that we are to remain without that technology.

That's right, even if we do not have the technology which allows male-born humans to give birth just as a female-born human would, THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE SHOULD SHY AWAY FROM IT. (A better reason to do so is to shy away from this form of reproduction altogether because of its health impacts - not just for males and men, but for females and women as well!)

That's horrible and all but,
what the fuck?

Please calm down user.

HOW ABOUT NO?

i have a trans friend that works 10 hour days in a factory so i guess now that i've given this anecdotal evidence you'll cease to have shitty views glad we could settle this god bless user

Calm the tits you don't have, tranny

user, this is not something to be calmed down about. Do you see what's happening here? It is an insult to the very theory which Marxists have been synthesising since the beginning of Marxism, with its roots being even further back than that in the thought of Kant and Hegel. The fact that this passes for so much discussion without a complete shutdown of the opponents' points is testament to the sheer degeneration of leftism.

Ah, the contrarians are here! What a great service they do for us, these underage slime-beings.

trannies are less than 0.00000001% of the global proleteriat and should receive 0.0000001% of the fucking attention

here's the amount of effort you have to put in to make trans people happy:
congratulations, you did it and now you can get back to issues that matter to you

Literally never meet an actual transexual but somehow should I care about such a tiny minority

What about the people allergic to peanut??

That pic made me laugh. Got any more?

on what authority do they make these demands? why are their wants relevant to the left? isnt it much less effort for me to address them how i want, and let them deal with it how they want? why are they entitled to the extra effort of me having to walk on eggshells and map and manuvre their gender minefield?

their demands are more laughable and mentally ill than when feudal aristocracy demanded peasants to call them by some comical names

Okay miss, be careful about that dildo you got there.

maybe i'm just a weirdo spaceman but i find being nice to people and respecting their wishes pretty easy

as for whether or not their issues are truly leftist in nature, well that's definitely arguable but it's worth considering that because of the social stigma against trans people they are more likely to be in worse conditions especially economically and as such can often relate to leftist causes on those grounds

"There are literally no transsexuals in my country"
"Oh btw there are trans in my country"
Make your mind up please

Are you really complaining about calling someone by a different name? Fuck's sake user, even I couldn't imagine being that much of a pussy.

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BEING A PROLE IS WHEN YOU'RE A SWEATY HAIRY FACTORY WORKING MAN WITH A MINERS HELMET AND NOTHING ELSE

You're probably right that this all matters very little. Maybe the way we treat these minorities expresses something deeper about our ideological position, although I'm not sure of even that.

You don't have to do that. If they freak out when you accidentally misgender them that's their problem. Just make a minimal effort. If you know they want to be referred to as a man, woman, or "they," then you try to do that. That's it. We're not making any more demands.
I'd say you're being childish, but I'm sure children have it much easier understanding this stuff than you do.

ah, didnt use paint since childhood
MADE BY LEGIT LABORERS GANG

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I've always been pro Trans and such until I started to actually frequent leftist circles.
They are disruptive as shit. Look, I'm not saying we should kill them or trans shouldn't exist. What I'm saying here that there is nothing inerenthly marxist about it and shouldn't have a priority seat anywhere. They are irrelevant, stop adressing them as trans but as bougie or prole. If they can't accept this then they are class collaborationist, so fuck them.

I like this meme. Makes fun of everyone

This is good. You should do this more often.

This is the same bullshit trick that evolutionary biologists use when employing their reductionisms: 'it's just noise bro'. No, it shatters the hard arguments against the ontological possibility of it. Tell me about how you fucking love science when you are terrible at it.

Like I already said in the other thread. If it's so important why literally no socialist state ever cares about this bullshit?

This person made a decent argument that there's something Marxist about it:

and I said this

Because Stalin was pretty reactionary on sexuality.

No he wasn't.

He recriminalized homosexuality after Lenin legalized it. In my view that's ample proof.

He recriminalized homosexuality, no?

No he didn't. Homosexuality was illegal under the tsar when the bolshevik took power they abolished every law under the tsar, one these happen to be about homosexuality.
Lenin was just as "reactionary" as Stalin.
Plus one thing is homosexuality another is whatever the fuck this guy
is saying

I'm pro feminism, but feminism for me is stuff like pic realted. The rest doesn't matter

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