Cognitive dissonance

My family, the most important people in my life are simply liberals. They don't believe me, that capitalism must be abolished and communism be established.
Recently I called my brother in a discussion a "bootlicker", because he was defending the status quo. I feel bad after such situations and I don't know what to do. I know people like him are enemies of the revolution, otherwise he is still my brother and he is important to me. Do you know this feeling of cognitive dissonance too?

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My whole family is neoliberal (conservacucks). Both parents are stealth racists. Sister has a law degree and is working in the states and has a job where she literally kicks poor people out of their homes when they can't pay the rent. She'd have voted for Trump if it wasn't for the fact that the Democrats would protect her work visa. I don't bring up politics with them ever and try not to get baited in when they say something abhorrent. It's not cognitive dissonance, I'm just sad that they don't get it. I don't think I'll ever get married so I want to get a will drawn up where when I die all my money and all my stuff will be donated to charity. It's not enough; it never will be enough but someone has to try atoning for my family's mistakes.

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That's totally fucking normal.

Liberalism manifests itself in various ways.

To let things slide for the sake of peace and friendship when a person has clearly gone wrong, and refrain from principled argument because he is an old acquaintance, a fellow townsman, a schoolmate, a close friend, a loved one, an old colleague or old subordinate. Or to touch on the matter lightly instead of going into it thoroughly, so as to keep on good terms. The result is that both the organization and the individual are harmed. This is one type of liberalism.

To indulge in irresponsible criticism in private instead of actively putting forward one's suggestions to the organization. To say nothing to people to their faces but to gossip behind their backs, or to say nothing at a meeting but to gossip afterwards. To show no regard at all for the principles of collective life but to follow one's own inclination. This is a second type.

To let things drift if they do not affect one personally; to say as little as possible while knowing perfectly well what is wrong, to be worldly wise and play safe and seek only to avoid blame. This is a third type.

Not to obey orders but to give pride of place to one's own opinions. To demand special consideration from the organization but to reject its discipline. This is a fourth type.

To indulge in personal attacks, pick quarrels, vent personal spite or seek revenge instead of entering into an argument and struggling against incorrect views for the sake of unity or progress or getting the work done properly. This is a fifth type.

To hear incorrect views without rebutting them and even to hear counter-revolutionary remarks without reporting them, but instead to take them calmly as if nothing had happened. This is a sixth type.

To be among the masses and fail to conduct propaganda and agitation or speak at meetings or conduct investigations and inquiries among them, and instead to be indifferent to them and show no concern for their well-being, forgetting that one is a Communist and behaving as if one were an ordinary non-Communist. This is a seventh type.

To see someone harming the interests of the masses and yet not feel indignant, or dissuade or stop him or reason with him, but to allow him to continue. This is an eighth type.

To work half-heartedly without a definite plan or direction; to work perfunctorily and muddle along–"So long as one remains a monk, one goes on tolling the bell." This is a ninth type.

To regard oneself as having rendered great service to the revolution, to pride oneself on being a veteran, to disdain minor assignments while being quite unequal to major tasks, to be slipshod in work and slack in study. This is a tenth type.

To be aware of one's own mistakes and yet make no attempt to correct them, taking a liberal attitude towards oneself. This is an eleventh type.

We could name more. But these eleven are the principal types.

They are all manifestations of liberalism.

It's not cognitive dissonance, you just have a different ideology than your family.


Also this.

Then how should I get along with them, when their ideology opposes mine? I love them, I can't kill them. From a objective perspective they are my enemies, but my heart says otherwise.

You need to be ready to kill them TBH. If you're ready to take other people's family, friends and loved ones from them in a revolution for wrongthink, but you aren't ready to make the same sacrifice, then you're a hypocrite.

Can you kill the people, which you love?

I've never had to kill anyone, so it's hard to say what I can and can't do in such a situation, but it is something I mentally prepare myself for.
I have been distancing myself from the reactionary people in my life, so that will surely help.

Stop right there.
Who ever said that we should kill people for wrong think? As long as they don't do nothing what's the matter?
Also what do you mean by reactionary (stupid fucking word)

Right, I'm not saying you should kill anyone who isn't a communist, but during times of revolution you need to be ready to kill anyone who positions themselves on the wrong side of the baricade.
When I say reactionary, I mean ardent defenders of the status quo, people who join parties and are actively involved in reactionary politics and Zig Forums type people who claim the world is run by a secret cabal of jews and/or 'cultural marxists'.
I know quite a few of these people, some were close friends.

It's an apt word. It describes politics of reaction, literally of reacting to changes in society in order to stifle, stop, or reverse them, especially when the material conditions which gave rise to whatever privileges or institutions they wish to preserve are no longer existing.

It's not 'wrong think' you clown. If they're devoted to upholding the system you want to destroy, it might mean having to destroy them, literally or figuratively. It's not like they won't do it to you, either, and they'll probably think they're doing you a favor while they're selling you out to the cops or the feds.

How do you know that? Not every family is a disfunctional piece of shit gathering of self centered cunts.
I was literallt quoting leninhat tho

Two in my family support Trump and one believes in race realism.

I think there is a stark difference between your Richard Spencers versus your aging granny who has still held onto delusional thinking - Or your Zig Forumslyp who just types from home and believes this junk because of some emotional problem.

this makes me so happy that my parents understood marx long before i even knew his name.

It's almost as if you take a right wing caricaturer of 1984 and unironically agree with the Zig Forumsyps that the capitalist war machine is communist.
Are you a Zig Forums convert?

My dad seems like a conservative but it seems he's getting into reactionary green politics. My mother is just batshit insane and I have no clue what she is politically, She doesn't like my fathers family and considers her dead family to be genetically superior so if you have a political ideology that matches that then she would be it. My sister is a typical green liberal with a PragerU fan as a bf. The best way to handle them is if you are sure they won't disown you then just have some "debate" (more like ideological banter) when somone mentions anything you recognize as ideologically charged. The only time in which you may have to face your family with your ideological views is when there is revolution. You have to find a way to cope and manage when your family sides with the opposition, killing them if you have to.

Sounds like pull yourself up by the bootstraps :DDDDDD
also Mao was a tit :DD

Wut? I'm baffled how you came to that conclusion.
No.

I came to a conclusion: I will never do harm to my family and I can't force them to think in a certain way. And everyone who will call my a hypocrite, is a unscrupulously sociopath. So fuck off.

So you'll kill my family but not your own. Let's make a deal then, you kill my family and I kill yours!

You don't even love your family, so fuck off you spineless scumbag.

Unless you kill them you can't be a Communist.

I hope you realize the irony of that ad hominem. And no, I don't love my family just because they're my family. I love some of them because they're good people, and some of them I hate for their disgusting views on the poor and working people.
Stay spooked, nerd.

If you care more about your family than the Worker then you need to kill yourself.

Are you seriously suggesting that your family are "enemies of the revolution"? Reading this thread, it is dazzlingly clear what a larp Socialism is to you all.
What revolution is your family fighting? I would understand if your family were bourgs, but you called your brother a bootlicker, so hes obviously not a boot owner. You realize that literally billions (easily trillions) have been spent on convincing the world of the evils of Communism. Everywhere people are told how great Capitalism is. Everywhere people are sold on Capitalism, and you hate them for that? You hate them because they cant all be like you, larping on Zig Forums, fantasizing about killing innocent proles because of wrongthink? What are they supposed to do? Just go against popular support and believe you? Are you really such a great orator that their disbelief is a great flaw? Youre an absolute fucking child, and you need to grow up and realize that family, community, that is all we will ever have. You would have NOTHING without them. Without proles, you would be in the woods, shitting maggots, masturbating, engaging in necrophilia. Who fucking knows what!
This proletarian hate is the EXACT opposite of a Communist belief. Even the most radlib of radlibs is superior if they genuinely want the best for the proletariat. The Anons in this thread are angry dickheads who are mad people dont agree with them. There issue is that they are right, and everyone needs to agree with them. An atrocity is just an "I told you so", another time to assert their theoretical superiority over their peers.
If anyone wants REAL cognitive dissonance, it is the """Socialists""" here who entertain both the idea that revolution will come from the proletarian class, while at the same time believing it is the proles holding Socialism back!!!

Go be a syndicalist somewhere else.

Dudes y'all need to chill with this shit. This ain't the 20th century. We ain't the vanguard. Discuss and convince, do not berate and attack. Y'all are starting to sound like right-wingers or flat earthers. Chill, discuss or move on. Channel the inner Zizek if you have to. Be playful in your argumentation. Don't be a dick.

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Im worshipping proles? Thats absolutely rich. Have you ever tried not hating people for things out of their control? Can you look at someone without seeing them as reactionary, and instead rightfully see them as not yet class concious? I suppose you and the rest of the based socialists will lead these ignorant meanies to greatness, right? Fuck you.
How can you expect people to be class conscious? Or do you honestly not care if it is their choice or not? Its just such a crime to agree with popular opinion that they all must grovel before you, repenting. Oh woe is you, big brained user who didnt fall for stupid bourgeois tricks, and woe for the proles who will feel your wrath when you finally ascend to power.
And filial piety, really? Youre going to paint my post as some reactionary, irrational chinese shit just because I point out the obvious? Seriously then, refute me. Tell me of all the riches you would have, if only all the ignorant proles would disappear. Go on, tell me of your great revolutionary plot, executing proles left and right for not having the good sense to repent. Luckily, being a dumbass larper doesnt get anyone anywhere, so i dont think the halfcocked, brooding hate-posters here have any chance of enacting their infantile murder fantasies.

Yo, this for real tho. Y'all need to grow up. Im in my 30s and I went through this angisty phase with my family and religion. I have learned to drop it. My parents love me regardless and I don't want to change their mind because it does not effect the material world.

You're misrepresenting us so hard it's impossible to refute your "arguments". This isn't about executing all proles, but about not putting your family above the revolution. You seem too mad to have an actual discussion about that.

Describe a scenario in which you would have to make that choice. Explain how such a revolution would be contingent on you making that choice. You're a lot smaller than you think. You can only influence in a small part and even then nothing to do with guaranteed to help or hurt said revolution. Step back from the computer, try an do a think about your ideological perspective.

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If you aren't prepared to kill the Proles to bring about Communism then you don't belong here.

One of my family members is a cop, another is a bootlicking veteran. In a revolutionary scenario, however that may look in modern society, I can imagine both of them taking up arms to quell a communist uprising, even if they aren't ordered to. They're proles but they need to die if it comes to that.

Sounds like you just want to kill them. If so just do it already.

Wasting my time with you kids.


Good luck with that. Don't forget to wear your red star hat.

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ITT: In order to bring about Communism you need to kill the Proles.

They're garbage people, yes, but I don't want to kill anyone at all.

Thanks, you radlib faggot. Don't forget to spread that peace love and harmony, that'll surely bring about regime change.

Yes, you need to kill some proles. There is literally no way around that.

So you're gonna kill Proles until they accept it.

Gotcha

Yes that's clearly what I'm saying. Just keep killing random proles untill I'm recognized as the lord of the universe. As was written in our holy texts.
Fuck this thread.

KILL ALL PROLES

KILL THEM ALL

LEAVE NONE ALIVE

you need to start the revolution in your family and kill the traitors

The traitors being the family.