Whats your criticism of the MeToo movement from a leftist/Marxist perspective? I think for me, one of the most obvious criticism of the movement is the fact that most of the prominent Metoo activists rarely highlighted the power difference between the male perpetrators and female victims, and how it played a role in the abuse of these women.
The vast majority of the abuse came from male perpetrators who were able to use their economic power or connections to perpetuate abuse for decades, whilst being protected by their bourgeois establishment . The movement has degenerated into blaming powerless prole men for the abuse committed by those on top of the economic hierarchy.
They seem to be willfully ignoring the economic factors that enabled serial sexual abusers , and how bourgeoisie institutions would protect the abusers. Most male proles who are serial sexually abusers are in prison because they dont have institutional protection like bourgeois men, and society is sensitive to the suffering of prole women under the hands of prole men.
By failing to differentiate how bourgeoisie men have exploited the power perks of capitalism to perpetuate abuse against powerless women and men, they worsen the gender divide among prole men and women whilst never addressing the underlying factors which has enabled a culture of complicity and abuse to fester among the bourgeoisie.
Well, you said it OP. Imagine if even a fraction of effort and momentum behind this "movement" was spent on protesting, say, sexual misconduct in the workplace in a non-idpol way that actually threatened porky's dividendies. But because it is just liberal sloganing, it is doomed to be ineffectual and even self-destructive. And a way for porky to say "We are against rape!!!" (And death. And cancer. And stepping on legoes. And things that are bad) to earn cheap points with the libs without doing anything.
William Stewart
I also think the whole movement infantilises women and helps promote unhelpful stereotypes about many women.
The movement is also ignoring male abuse victims like Brendan "JUST" Frasier, Cory Feldman, and terry crews. Not to mention the many nameless young boys who are abused by the industry.
men were sexually harrased too. Most famous of these is Terry Crews. Many people staright up refused to believe that a guy like him could be sexually harassed and he was esentially shit on by the movement.
im just surprised how effectively it has worked on women. With all the reactionary Alt right crap, you can say only an extreme minority of men are Chuds who believe Jews are out to get them, as anyone would have inferred with the implosion of their movement . But Ive known many women who believe Metoo is somehow an indictment on all men and that women are getting raped left and right by your average joes, who happen to look at them funny on the street. A few months ago, me and my colleagues had to go to a sexual assault seminar because my boss had an affair with a intern, and because of all the Metoo crap, we are somehow imiplicated in all this because liberals cants seem to differentiate between bourgeoisie men and wage slaves, whilst my boss gets a leave of absence, fully payed, and hes probably in the Bahamas now, fucking his mistress.
Look up the beginning of #metoo, it was literally a powerplay where Bob Weinstein tried to use black PR to remove his brother from their company.
John Taylor
Identity politics is literally talking about people's identity in relation to their state of being. The shit in your image might be a consequence of identity politics but is certainly not a part of it.
Adam Lewis
I got the impression that the movement (at least, a majority of feminists I've seen and talked to) applauded Crews for coming out, so I'm not sure where the idea that the movement shat on him comes from.
Brandon Bailey
You got the wrong impression. Many, many women attacked Crews and other men who dared to use the #MeToo tag, because it's supposed to be a movement for women, and men were overshadowing the women if they even spoke about their abuse.
This is the end point of IdPol.
Landon Cook
It's good because it is mostly centered around the workplace. Trots hate it because it admittedly reeks of moralism.
Jack Watson
You've covered most of it in your post. It's just a way to divide the working class while allowing corporations to score cheap PR points. It ensures that the discussion, particularly among the mainstream left, will focus on the power dynamics of men vs women in the workplace rather than owners vs employees. The movement itself gives more power to the corporate media as well, since they get to choose which cases get the publicity. A lot of wealthy capitalists are using the movement as an easy way to advance their careers while being cheered on by the so-called left. Meanwhile not a single fuck is given about the minimum wage proles who suffer far more beneath the boot of capitalism. The whole thing just reminds me of a reality TV show. Fucking bread and circuses.
Carson Howard
Watch this interview with "feminist icon" gremaine greer. This shit was wild. I guess there's some kind of major split between second wave feminists and fourth wave feminists. The whole part of the interview I caught was just the feminist man host just relentlessy berating her and then the audience going "never meet your heroes!"
MeToo is good, rape is a huge problem, and I hate how sometimes this board strays from anti-idpol into being actually reactionary.
Aiden Powell
You don't have to be a class traitor liberal to combat rape.
Zachary Russell
It went from calling out people in power that are hard to touch by law and a support for people through similar experiences degraded to a witch hunt against all male sexuality and is just a spectacle. I agree with the points said here theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/14/french-feminists-catherine-deneuve-metoo-letter-sexual-harassment Question is can the momentum be redirected to make it about work place sexual harassment and abuse by bosses or something like that? Or should it be left to die out?
Austin King
Listen, Kiddo, you have "joked around" for a good week about this. It's not funny anymore. Never was. It's pretty disgusting and makes me never want to have children and wish your generation was not as shitty as it is. Stop thotting to people who want to lie about people for money. I'm being calm about this, unlike you. I am not trying to start any sort of fight. I am trying to get you to understand you are still a child. I'm calm I'm done now.
Jack Sullivan
I love how the Anglo liberal media and feminists painted french feminists who objected to the movements as women who had internalized misogyny, when you can easily say Anglo feminists have internalized misogyny to a point where theyre okay with infantilising women like the patriarchs of the old .
That sounds like a distinction without a difference if ever there was one
Cameron Wood
It's a bourgeois witch hunt based on nothing but hearsay meant to remove male competitors from the playing field and make space for bourgeois women.
Jonathan Parker
Is there a better posterboy for self-assured liberal smugness?
Bentley Hall
theres no one I hate more than mehdi as a journalist. The most biased and combative little prick on al jazeera. Overrated too. The embodiment of the uncritical liberal idiot.
Lol the one on the left really does look like a slut, the one on the right really does look bitchy and the one in the middle really does look like she has friendzoned a bunch of orbiters.
Cooper Collins
Trots are mad because they can no longer get away with it
Evan Butler
Most Feminists sees MeToo, title IX and other feminist policies as weapons used to empower women over men. Not as tools for achieving equal and fair treatment for all. It's obvious from this that feminists claim to be for men too is nonsense
Ian Bennett
I work at a pizza shop where one of our delivery drivers got robbed and murdered on the job.
So a cbs reporter comes in agter they caught the guy that did it. My boss refuses the interview but the reporter and the cameraman decide fuck it lets at least get lunch while we are here.
This was right about when the CEO Of CBS was busted for sexial misconduct.
The reporter didnt understand yadda yadda Seemwd concensual. The usual shit you here from detractors.
Then the cameraman explains to him the imbalance of power and how that can be considered coercion and sexual exploitation and broke down fundamental aspects of class consciousness.
Shout out to woke af comrade cameraman.
Christian Brown
It may not become an epidemic, but I am waiting for a day when an ugly guy goes to prison because of flirting with a girl. I mean just flirting, he doesn't touch her, reveal his genitals, point a gun, make any threats (includes how hard he's going to fuck her), or even use foul language.
My guess it will happen in the UK.
Hunter Wood
and men will call him a fag, women just won't care.
Sebastian Edwards
Do Trots usually hate stuff like this? I read the wsws and I love their hard-line anti-bullshit stance, is this specific to trots?
Nicholas Gonzalez
It has been evident for a long time that modern feminism is little more than a female supremacist movement. That is a particularly striking example of their hypocrisy, however.
Joseph Russell
I’m not defending a porky here, but I’ve known plenty of women who’ve had relationships with men in higher positions within an organisation in the hope that they get better positions or they pursue these guys because they love the thrill of fucking a powerful man. And when the relationship is ended abruptly, either because the dude is cheating on them with a hotter girl within the organisation, or simply they don’t get the position they wanted despite fucking the boss, I’ve known a few whod play the sexual misconduct card as revenge. Whilst I’m not saying this is the case in that situation, where do you draw the line? When does typical office drama become abuse of power?
Shit like MeToo is the reason ordinary people can no longer engage with the left. The fanatical witch hunt mentality and 'guilty until proven innocent' attitude towards claims of sexual abuse angers or frightens people and turns them away from the left wing with which this sort of thing is associated with (many people now just lazily equate socialistic ideas with SJWs).
Young men especially who dislike this movement and the bizarre puritanical attitudes it generates in followers towards male sexuality (cries of chauvinism, sexism, shit like 'man spreading') turns men towards the likes of Shapiro and Milo who are antagonistic towards SJWs - they are also ardent opponents of Socialism and thus can use their influence to make young working class people into Friedmanite libertarians under a guise of 'pure common sense' and 'hard logic' because 'SJWs hate facts'.
David Martinez
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Brayden Mitchell
sup Zig Forums
Asher Butler
He's completely right though. There's a huge disconnect between the issues college liberals want the left to focus on and what the average manual laborer cares about. When you've got major left-wing organizations claiming that the biggest issue in the modern workplace is sexism instead of wage slavery, what message does that send to the minimum wage workers? Do you honestly think the left should be spending time fighting to defend multi-millionaire Hollywood stars in stupid he-said-she-said fights while people are literally starving on the streets?
Of course you idiots are fundamentally incapable of ever acknowledging that anything could ever be your fault.
Anthony Wilson
If you feel uncomfortable by the fact that women are taking a stand against harassment in the workplace then you may need to reevaluate your life.
Joshua Jackson
He's not. He's saying that the fights aren't against harassment in the workplace, but "he-said-she-said" fights between multi-millionaires which have no relation to working class struggles.
Alexander Parker
I don't think you understand how this works. It's like global warming. Some people seem to think that if they can win the argument online and convince everyone that global warming is a hoax, then it will stop being a problem. Meanwhile reality doesn't give a fuck about who wins the argument - cause and effect will continue to apply regardless.
The difference is that I don't really need the left to succeed. I'd prefer it if we could achieve communism without a death toll in the billions, but if you want to sabotage your own movement that's not really my problem.
In fact, given the state of the modern left, I'm probably better off spending my time supporting environmental activism. It's an issue which is more likely to directly affect me anyway. I guess I did need to reevaluate my life after all. Thanks user.
Samuel Jenkins
you'll be back
Jordan Diaz
Probably, but each time I feel less and less motivated to give a fuck. This is my first visit to this board in almost a year, and now I'm reminded of why I left last time. I certainly wouldn't consider joining any left-wing activist groups in real life any more. I apparently hate women and the left doesn't need my help, so why bother? Politics is depressing at the best of times, and I find I'm happier when I avoid it.
Tyler Walker
I don't think anyone likes that Christ user poster, though. The only thing he's done on this board is spew hot lib takes.
Wyatt Diaz
Just be a communist and not a leftist user, you can support class struggle without being a oversocialized retard. Also most of us hate that christcom user. I personally wouldn't mind sacrificing him to the dark gods myself
It’s basically now a movement against ugly men and “nice guys” awkwardly approaching women, and feminists are more than happy to fuel the flames if it means they get more power and coverage. Most women hate ugly, poor or antisocial men more than they hate their bourgeoise oppressors which is why most of these women are more than happy to allow this movement to degenerate towards blaming prole men for the sins of their bourgeoise counterpart. We can’t demonise rich men as sexual abusers and exploiters for the average lib woman, despite countless of scandals involving high society abuse of vulnerable lower class women since disney and Cosmo has convinced them they can marry them one day.
Easton Gutierrez
Let us not forget that the first victim of #MeToo was Emmett Till who was falsely accused of flirting with a women and was lynched for it
It landed bourgeois in jail and I don't care about America but in my country it raised questions about how the system of power enjoyed by the perpetrators of sexual offense due to the hierarchy allowed them to get away with it. Nothing was really done with it but at least it put a leash on some annoying rich fucks.
That's not at all why people don't consider left wing politics, the whole "sjw" spectacle is just another way to make leftists look emasculate and petty, the establishment will just find another thing to ridicule us for if we got rid of the whole "sjw" thing that people online are so obsessed about…… The anti-sjw stuff is like "reasonable republican" just for the far-left, the amount of people who thought college campuses are getting too pc and went to the other side because of it is so astronomically low that there's no reason to spend this much time on it…….
The story is absolutely creepy. It sounds like her accuser, Bennett, was getting used and abused by his family like so many other child stars, so he was emotionally needy and vulnerable,
She gained his trust. They called each other mother and son. She groomed him like any other garden-variety pedophile. To top it all off she played his mother in a film.
This was what probably led to Anthony Bourdain suicide. He didint just kill himself not just because he found out she was cheating on him with multiple younger guys, but that his true love was probably a pedophile, and that she was getting the worlds sympathy for Metoo, whilst doing much worse.
Tyler Gomez
Well, the lady has always had a few screws loose. If you were a Wop, you would know. She got a fair share of international visibility recently. She rode this #MeToo wave big time. The peak of it all was when she made a speech at the Cannes Film Festival just a few months ago. Now the chickens have come home to roost.
Mrs Argento being exposed for this fucked up shit really casts an even more sinister shadow on her boyfriend suicide. Anyway, it has to be said that she's always had a taste for - let's say - eccentric men with a weak personality. I don't know about Bourdain, but there's at least a precedent of a really screwed up guy she had a long relationship - and a daughter - with that went ballistic after they broke up. He's still alive though.
Nothing wrong with supporting women who are victims of sexual abuse (which many of them are). That being said it's a movement that can easily be co-opted by the bourgeoisie.
Austin Hernandez
This Stop with this Zig Forums dae evil feminazis shit, can we actually criticize the MeToo movement with legitimate points instead of this crap Literally have seen and heard nothing but feminists praising Crews, calling him brave, all that shit, only person I’ve seen publicly deride him for it with any kind of following is 50 fucking cent
Adrian Williams
What are you basing that on? Almost every #metoo story I've read had something to do with how they were in power, or enabled by someone in power, and how this was was abused.
Granted, the logical step is to address the more fundamental problems like why these men are in power positions (as even Aziz Ansari being a creepier is capitalist hero worships fault in an abstract way) but this is liberal feminism. We both know this won't happen.
William Clark
Did I accidentally log into Reddit?
Nicholas Reyes
And?
Jackson Edwards
Why do you think the ramifications of #MeToo are limited to online debates?
And why is it even a debate? How is "rape is bad and there are cultural and industrial reasons why the perpetrators get away with it" a counter-point?
This sounds like, at best, being cynical just of the sake of being cynical, or at worst, not wanting to even partially agree with your idealogical opponents and removing yourself from the conversation with a "I'm actually the smart one" diatribe.
Yes, the worst thing about reddit is how few liberals there are there. The left would achieve a lot more if we all focused on gender politics for a change…
Joshua Hill
That post went completely over your head. It wasn't talking about #MeToo - it was talking about the issues raised in In other words, it doesn't matter whether you believe liberals are hurting the left or not. They are hurting the left, and will continue to do so as long as the problem is dismissed.
Yeah. Im starting to see more reactionary gender politics online than racialism. Even the obnoxious race baiting poltard trolls are becoming less common. Politics is increasingly becoming stratified by gender for thost atleast under 35, and liberals are joined to the hip with the left on those issues
Ayden Kelly
lol
Gabriel Wright
Rape is bad, and I don't feel bad for rich celebrities. Who are 99% of the casualities here. Good I say. This should be celebrated, but this board whines about everything.
