Were former Nazis willingly joining the liberals in the West during the Cold War the ultimate example of how the two were just different sides of the same system? There seems to be a whole propaganda narrative around how Operation Paperclip rescued poor German scientists from the evil clutches of the Communist Soviet Union and the superiority of "our German scientists to their German scientists" in the American space program, with no one seeming to mind that a lot of these guys worked for a genocidal regime and benefited from slave labour employed by said regime just a decade or two prior.
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Those former Nazis would have gone to work with the USSR if they were able to snatch them up and give them a life-or-death ultimatum. Does that mean nazism is just a different side of communism? No. It means people will work with their recent enemies if it means staying alive.
I've never heard it phrased that way tbh. It's usually discussed in the framework of "if we didn't do it, they will". The same argument was given for justification of using atomic weapons btw.
Why would they care? The entire eugenics movement started in the US, and nazism was not particularly unpopular in the US prior to the US getting into WW2. Plus, America was built on slavery and genocide, so why throw stones in a class castle?
To the State, ideologies are just tools to protect/enhance its hegemony. The U.S. never really gave a shit if you were a Nazi or not, they wanted the research and the scientists and did whatever they could to obtain them to fight the main threat to their capitalist/imperialist empire, which was the USSR. The U.S. government feared Communism and the end to its empire to the point that they hired the literal baby killers they were just shooting at months prior to stop it.
Are you suggesting this is unique to America/capitalism, and that the USSR would have had too much of a moralistic world view to not try to integrate them into their govt?
The Nazi scientists who were abducted by the USSR were treated like criminals, the way they should have been.
It probably happened in the USSR aswell, but there's a huge difference. The nazis nearly destroyed the soviets in WW2, for 3 years a vast area of the USSR was tortured, raped and murdered by the nazis. This didn't happen to the americans, so they probably didn't give much of a fuck about working with former nazis. For the soviets it was way different, and I can imagine the nazi scientists who were captured by the soviets were treated much more violently than what the americans would've treated them, but to any moralfags there that might say this was wrong: what would've you done to them after what they did to your country and people?
bullshit. maybe the dumb ones. the useful ones they gave new identities to and kept it secret for sure.
And these "liberals" teamed up with the USSR to fight Nazis a few years before.
Shut the fuck up.
the USSR did the exact same thing
No, the USSR also did it, because for all the patriotism, the value of the German scientists was extremely high. Spoils of war is spoils of war, and given the situation the USSR was in, to not do it out of some morality would be very foolish. Certain conditions call for certain actions regardless of principles sometimes. This does not indicate a betrayal, but a pragmatism.
Is that the ultimate example of how the two were just different sides of the same system?
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Churchill still wanted to invade the USSR in 1945 for fucks sake.
They didn't though.
It wasn't just scientists, it was military officers, intelligence agents, politicians, doctors, lawyers, industrialists and various genocidaires.
I never said they didn't deserve what they got.
Proving that Social Democracy and State Capitalism are the good and bad cops of Conservative economics, whereas liberalism and fascism are their capitalist opposites.
Churchill was a fascist who opposed Hitler for realpolitik reasons.
they were high ranking militaries, not only lawyers but also judges and also politicians as "former nazis" joined the CDU/CSU
wasn't one of the planners of concentration camps in the government? shit like that
Reminder that a larger share of judges and ministry level administrators were members of the Nazi party in the western occupation zone than in Nazi Germany itself. This carried over to West Germany to a large degree.
While formal membership was more or less required for many posts during the Nazi regime and one can't expect anyone to purge each and every one of them nor to bar such a number of professionals and specialists once the fascists had been removed, somehow the liberal western powers allowed it to occur in a much greater degree in their occupation zone than the Soviets in theirs.
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You do realize some top nazis became leading members of NATO and other organizations in the West right? That's more than staying alive.